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Then who is all those players they put up as trade bait?
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Hudson Trade?
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It doesn't matter who's put up as trade bait.
As was correctly pointed out you cannot be traded unless you agree.
Now, you may well be under contract & your coach tells you that "another club is interested in securing your services. Your two alternatives are to agree to be traded or remain here, but I can't guarantee you'll play too many senior games".
A few years ago Essendon offered up Heffernan to Brisbane for Cupido, including the "you won't get a game next year" line. Heffernan out-and-out refused to go so they traded Caracella instead. Heffernan then asked to be traded to Melbourne, after all, he had been told he wasn't going to get a game at Essendon.
I wonder - realisticly, what are the chances of richmond, carlton or melbourne meeting hudsons contract terms? three years is a significant risk.
richmond have simmonds, melbourne has white. hudson, while handy, wouldnt be coming cheap.
that leaves carlton. they need a ruckman like oxygen, but if they manage to land judd, it might stretch their capacity to pay hudson, and lets not forget they will be aquiring kruezer.
I think there is some chance hudson would fall to us, and there is almost a 100% chance that mcgregor would fall to us if hudson was nabbed earlier. all three of those teams ahead of us in the PSD have decent key forwards.
we put a deal to adelaide - we'll take both of them off youe hands for macmahon and a 3rd rounder, otherwise they can both go to the PSD. (usually proviso about macmahon wanting to leave, yada yada)
richmond have simmonds, melbourne has white. hudson, while handy, wouldnt be coming cheap.
that leaves carlton. they need a ruckman like oxygen, but if they manage to land judd, it might stretch their capacity to pay hudson, and lets not forget they will be aquiring kruezer.
I think there is some chance hudson would fall to us, and there is almost a 100% chance that mcgregor would fall to us if hudson was nabbed earlier. all three of those teams ahead of us in the PSD have decent key forwards.
we put a deal to adelaide - we'll take both of them off youe hands for macmahon and a 3rd rounder, otherwise they can both go to the PSD. (usually proviso about macmahon wanting to leave, yada yada)
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And that's assuming no one else of more importance falls through to the PSD. Might be more names in the PSD that are attractive to the teams before us.
OldSchool
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A 28yo player who is not an A grader, A player who has already played his best football, a player with a knee injury, A player who wasn't mature enough to tow his previous club ethics and on top of that you want to pay well over the odds for him.
Not a good deal at all. As I said I'd rather stick with what we have. He is a reasonable enough player but we don't have to be forced into paying vastly more than what he is worth.
Mate, i didnt claim at any point that he's like Dean cox around the ground.
Seriously though - have you watched much of him? He's an average ruckman in most regards with one Exceptional trait. My point was that with your runners that trait would fit very very well.
trying to take this from a non bias point of view.
the way i see it is you give us minimum your second round pick for hudson or we simply dump him in the preseason draft. a 3rd round pick and we'd rather see him for nothing at richmond.
the way i see it is you give us minimum your second round pick for hudson or we simply dump him in the preseason draft. a 3rd round pick and we'd rather see him for nothing at richmond.
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So you really want to lose him for nothing do you? It's that sort of pigheaded attitude which has turned all but the last 10 minutes of trade week into a joke.
weighing up the positives and negatives of it all, yes i would rather see hudson go to carlton or richmond for nothing rather than the bulldogs for a 3rd rounder.
1. it sends a message to the playing group that when a player tries to bite the hand that feeds them and demands a "certain trade or else" scenario, then they cant expect the club to go out of their way to meeting what they want - if they so desperately want to betray the club they can rot away at richmond.
2. we'd rather see our number 1 ruckmen in the hands of a team that we arent contending with
i believe that is the stance the club will have over this and its either you give us your 2nd round pick or something equivelant or your not getting your established ruckmen you so desperately need.
Last season it would have been a third rounder,this season probable somewhere in the late 20's. Common sense will prevail as long as big footy posters from our clubs aren't brokering it!
If Hudson end up in the PSD then thats ok with me. We haven't lost a thing, we must stress that. A week ago we didn't have Hudson and in a months time we might not have Hudson = nothing lost.
The plan for next year was always to have Minson as number 1 and either Skipper who took massive steps at the end of this season or Street who has proven to be a useful tap ruckman as our 2nd. I'm sure they can do just as well as Richards and Bryan did tonight.
Plus, who's to say we won't get our hands on the younger Woods or Jolly?
Either way it doesn't matter. We have nothing to lose.
The plan for next year was always to have Minson as number 1 and either Skipper who took massive steps at the end of this season or Street who has proven to be a useful tap ruckman as our 2nd. I'm sure they can do just as well as Richards and Bryan did tonight.
Plus, who's to say we won't get our hands on the younger Woods or Jolly?
Either way it doesn't matter. We have nothing to lose.
Exactly. And that's really how you have to look at trading.
Except that surely the brains trust will have identified a priority list of who we want and the desired attributes that player can bring to the club. There is no point in identifying areas of weakness and then stuffing around resulting in getting nobody or less than what we want. I hope their philosophy is : we have to make it happen. Obviously players will be crossed off the list as they become unavailable or out of reach. I would expect we would trade fairly with a view to achieving a desired outcome. If Hudson has been prioritised as first choice, then we would be silly to play games with the PSD. And if he hasn't been prioritised, then it won't matter.
I hope you would feel the same way then about all the South Australians who want to go home in the future. Be funny if Pavlich wanted to return to play with the Crows in the future & Freo adopted your philosophy!
But you'd probably see that a little differently.
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what Huddo and Mcgregor are worth can be debated for ever. However as a Crows fan who likes watching the current Bulldogs team play, you guys are going to need to trade aggressively to get these guys. Once you starting saying things like "they can do as well as Richards and Bryan" youre stuffed because they are/were shocking. Huddo and Kenny would be great pick ups for you club and I dont want to see them go. The thing that worries me is they play better than their reputation or the way they look (unfashionable but get the job done, say the opposite of mcDougall) Trade compensation less than performance I bet
A mediocre running half back like Jordan Mcmahon is of almost no interest, dime a dozen. If you go into 08 with the same ruck/KPP stocks you cant make the 8
How good were they last week against Cox and Seaby over in the West against last years premiers?
But thats not the point. Once again the point as been missed.
We didn't have Hudson last week and we might not have him in a months time. NOTHING LOST.
The only way the dogs can lose is if they spend to much to go after quick fixes. And as a Bulldogs supporter i can honestly say we are ****ing sick to death of that shit.
If we trade pick 5 for either of these 2 or both of them, there would be rioting down at the Whitten Oval.
I really hope your recruiting team is much smarter than some of your posters here. Huddo will not go PSD. There many many teams waiting in line for ruckman- Saints, Melbourne, Richmond and COllingwood would be interested in Huddo. He's not a spud. Why the hell would we want a 3rd/4th rounder for him? Whats the strike rate of getting a decent player with a 3rd/4th rounder? Insulting offer.
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No way that we will get Hudson with our 3rd round pick. He ended up with the 2nd highest average and total contested possessions this year. That's an amazing effort for a ruckman, yet alone one coming off a knee injury.
Pick 21 is probably a fair trade when you consider draft depth and our need for a decent ruckman.
Pick 21 is probably a fair trade when you consider draft depth and our need for a decent ruckman.
I agree. Our 2nd round pick for Hudson, pick 22 I think, would be right on the money. Might already be a done deal.
Our first pick, No. 5 for a young KPP or ruckman from the draft.
jarmanagic
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"We didn't have Hudson last week and we might not have him in a months time. NOTHING LOST."
true, but what would be lost is finals chances in 08. Street/Skipper just wont get the job done. By the way Richards/Bryan smashed by Dean Cox last week also
dont forget
1. Your club was the worst team in the comp over the last 8 weeks of 07
2. The only club in the comp not to makea Prelim Final in the 2000's is.... Western Bulldogs
Changes are needed. After all your club is about to lose/has lost about 5 Bulldogs all time greats (Smith/Darcy/Grant/West/Johnston) over the next 2-3 years. You are in big trouble
Well said. Adding a player who will be 29 by the start of next season to that doesn't help the future! Better off having a crack at one of the top 5 highly rated kids in Australia.
We have nothing to lose.
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i'd take hudson if it was for somthing like a swap in 2nd and 3rd round picks, i can see this happen as the crows wont want to lose him for nothing, and he want to go to the dogs.
but we may need to add a 29 yo ruckman if we want to have a crack at a premirship, with johnson west grant and aker