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stefoid said:
neither team would willingly give up those players, so unless the player themself wants to jump ship for money, you have no hope.

if they DO want to jump ship for money, they go to carlton who has all the low picks to trade or wait for the preseason draft, and just as much cash.

i.e. unless you can shake both players out of both clubs, and split them with carlton, you have no hope.
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The chance is slim but never impossible. The first step is getting both players to want to come to the Pies. Power would be easiest,recruit his brother and then offer to pay him very well,Dal Santo would be more difficult but offer him the earth,a 'offer too good to refuse' if you like. Once they both want to come thats where you trade for them. Their clubs would take those trades offered rather than losing them in the PSD. Guaranteed :D
 
hotpie said:
You still need salary cap room. Neither Carlton nor Collingwood will get both Power and Dal Santo, so its not a total lost cause. Hawthorn wont chase them, they'll be after kpp's.
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Im not so sure the Pies couldnt fit them both in.There is a bit of overpaid deadwood to cut off I would have thought.
 
jimmy35 said:
The chance is slim but never impossible. The first step is getting both players to want to come to the Pies. Power would be easiest,recruit his brother and then offer to pay him very well,Dal Santo would be more difficult but offer him the earth,a 'offer too good to refuse' if you like. Once they both want to come thats where you trade for them. Their clubs would take those trades offered rather than losing them in the PSD. Guaranteed :D
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if both power and dal santo wanted to leave, I would expect calrton to simply wait for you to offer one of those clubs your 1st round pick, then pick the other up in the PSD for free.

Unless they really, really wanted to get dal santo, in which case they could offer pick #2 for him, and still █████ you for power in the PSD simply by paying his asking price. ouch!

3rd scenario is that st kilda takes a faulkner/macmahon + pick #7 offer from the dogs for dal santo or brisbane does a similar deal for Luke Power.

The more I think about it, the worse positioned collingwood is. you have the cash but you dont have the player/draft position leverage to make it work for you.

dogs would take clement in a heartbeat, but he might be 'REQUIRED' ?
 
I would love to see them go very , very hard for both Power and Dal Santo. Our first pick and Coley to the Saints

This could have been avoided if we picked up dal santo instead of cole in the first place! i doubt collingwood will trade of cole for dal santo now! Cole is good but no where near as good as dal santo, we made a big boo boo there!
 

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stefoid said:
if both power and dal santo wanted to leave, I would expect calrton to simply wait for you to offer one of those clubs your 1st round pick, then pick the other up in the PSD for free.

Unless they really, really wanted to get dal santo, in which case they could offer pick #2 for him, and still █████ you for power in the PSD simply by paying his asking price. ouch!

3rd scenario is that st kilda takes a faulkner/macmahon + pick #7 offer from the dogs for dal santo or brisbane does a similar deal for Luke Power.

The more I think about it, the worse positioned collingwood is. you have the cash but you dont have the player/draft position leverage to make it work for you.

dogs would take clement in a heartbeat, but he might be 'REQUIRED' ?
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What is required nowdays? But yes, I would think Clement was.
The point of getting the players to agree to come to Pies is the first thing you would have to do. Once they are dedicated to go , then Blues or whoever couldnt █████ any deal. Clubs cant trade a player to another club unless the player wants to go there. Get the players locked away and then it becomes easier. Lions would take a pick and a player rather than 'do a Port/Stevens" type of deal. As long as Pies offered something of value.
 
stefoid said:
gilbs: its not semantics. had you offered enough, eade would have traded him. its a case of collingwood flipping a 3rd rounder at us, eade going to the brains trust and saying 'this gilbee kid, is he worth a 3rd rounder?' they no, so eades public annoucement is 'hes required'. had you gone the extra yard, I am certian he would be in black and white right now.

shaw: as far as I can see, he gets a lot of ball, but his opponent gets a lot of ball and uses it better. trademark is a gather or receive at full pace, running like a madthing then bombing it to nobody in particular. Eagleton is not as fast but is 10 times a better kick, and smarter. shaw is just a bit dumb if you ask me.

faulkner. interesting. Id forgotten about him. has skill, pace and goes in hard, but is very inconsistant. just goes missing for long periods. think neon leon with a backbone or Picket jnr. I think he would be small 'r' required.
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Your 'opinion' of Rhyce couldn't be more wrong. Your describing the Rhyce of several years ago. He can shut down his man, as evidenced by beating Judd the last couple of times he's played on him, and his completion % for kicks is also well above league average AND he gets twice as many possessions as he used too. Like I said before you need to watch more Collingwood games before you make such ignorant observations about our players.
 
Murray said:
Redundent

Deja Vu = all over again
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Its a turn of phrase, a "joke expression".

I suggest you check your spelling before you start criticising others about their use of the English language.
 
I heard Power on MMM recently. He sounded Stevens non committal to me. We have to pursue hard. First round pick, whatever that ends up being, is what we should offer Brisbane right now. They won't agree to anything but they will have to think about it. Meanwhile we have to make the financial offer to Power that Brisbane can't match and that will crystallise exactly how much it will cost him to stay. Given he seems like he wants to come home and be near his family the money may push him over the edge. It wouldn't do any harm to try and do a deal for his brother either.

If we can get this deal done it has to be signed early in trade week so we can focus on further trades in and out and try and trade back into the first round. We can't give up on Dal Santo, who I would prefer, but a Power deal looks easier.
 
pieman1 said:
Your 'opinion' of Rhyce couldn't be more wrong. Your describing the Rhyce of several years ago. He can shut down his man, as evidenced by beating Judd the last couple of times he's played on him, and his completion % for kicks is also well above league average AND he gets twice as many possessions as he used too. Like I said before you need to watch more Collingwood games before you make such ignorant observations about our players.
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Its true the last time I watched Shaw was in Rnd 1 against us when he picked up 28 or so posessions, a large number of which went to nobody or to us, while his opponent got a similar number of very damaging posessions and kicked a few goals.

Im not being malicious, thats just what happened. dont be so thin skinned.
 
I'm just drawing your attention to the facts. You say yourself you've only seem Rhyce once this year so how can you make a accurate judgement on him? Rhyce is a much better player than Eagleton or McMahon and the stats back it up. Those are the facts you can now distort them as much as you please.
 

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