Hypothetical - Sam Darcy or Nick Daicos

[Robertio]

It doesn't say that at all.

But understand why many of you want to ignore what has happened, and prefer to make a decision on what you hope might happen.

Standard MO for Carlton supporters, for example.

Get Carlton supporters out of your head and just debate the topic.

 

[Fadge]

You can ignore Daicos first two seasons as he didn't play on anyone, now before you sook it up i think Daicos is a great player i would just pick a very good forward before him.

Yeah, of course he didn't.

But no, I'd prefer not to ignore a premiership year, and the year he announced himself as the best player in the competition.

 

[Robertio]

Yeah, of course he didn't.

But no, I'd prefer not to ignore a premiership year, and the year he announced himself as the best player in the competition.

He isn't now though and again I'm not criticising Daicos ii would go for the tall forward.

 

[Fadge]

He isn't now though and again I'm not criticising Daicos ii would go for the tall forward.

You're in the minority:

 

[Robertio]

You're in the minority:
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That's what we're here for old mate to debate.

 

[Cdog71]

Lynch was the difference in 2019/20?

Really?

That's a very different narrative.

Because for the last 5 years we've consistently been told the dynasty team was carried by D. Martin...

I guess it's all about what suits the narrative of the day.

Stupid comment

2019 Prelim
Cats led by 20 in the third
Lynch
19disp. 10 marks. Nearly 300mtr gained kicked 5.1
Three after halftime for us to win by 19.

 

[Fadge]

Stupid comment

2019 Prelim
Cats led by 20 in the third
Lynch
19disp. 10 marks. Nearly 300mtr gained kicked 5.1
Three after halftime for us to win by 19.

So one final.

Does that mean Mason Cox is more valuable than the likes Josh Kelly and Rory Sloane?

 

[Cdog71]

So one final.

Does that mean Mason Cox is more valuable than the likes Josh Kelly and Rory Sloane?

You paid him 500,000 a year.
You tell me

Kelly has played 17 finals and Daniher has played 13.
Who would you think got paid more because they were more valuable?

 

[Fadge]

You paid him 500,000 a year.
You tell me

Kelly has played 17 finals and Daniher has played 13.
Who would you think got paid more because they were more valuable?

I like how you picked a premiership player with your key forward nomination.

Relevant to this thread, Daicos had already been influential in a flag. Darcy hasn't.

 

[Cdog71]

I like how you picked a premiership player with your key forward nomination.

Relevant to this thread, Daicos had already been influential in a flag. Darcy hasn't.

I understand your point but
It’s about who would you rather not who has had the better career.
My view
Power fwds and goal scoring mids are the highest paid because they’re the most valuable… 1v1 players that score.

I think Daicos was/is more advanced than 95% of small players but I don’t think he’s an elite goal scoring mid or an contested accumulator a mtr from the ball stoppage player.
At the moment. 83 games

Sam Darcy is an elite Power fwd.
34 games

 

[Chronz]

It's very unfortunate that Daicos has peaked at 22 years of age, as said by all the unbiased bigfooty elite talent scouts. Just like Dusty and GOAT Gaz Jr.

 

[Corn Cobbers]

It's very unfortunate that Daicos has peaked at 22 years of age, as said by all the unbiased bigfooty elite talent scouts. Just like Dusty and GOAT Gaz Jr.

It's all over for Daics, may as well retire like Jaidyn Stephenson

 

[LoungeLizard]

It's all over for Daics, may as well retire like Jaidyn Stephenson

The thing is, if we had to pick between Nick or Sam, we have to pick Sam, as we already have Nick.

 

[carndapies]

Sam Darcy's durability vs Nick Daico's durability has to be taken into account.

Both players can win a game for their respective club but I would take Daicos ability to do it consistently over his career vs Sam Darcy's sporadic and injury prone career to date.

 

[Fadge]

The thing is, if we had to pick between Nick or Sam, we have to pick Sam, as we already have Nick.

I responded to that scenario in this thread, and went with a second Naicos.

Imagine Naicos off half back AND Naicos in the midfield, delivering to ANYONE in the forward line?

Wowee.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Well Eagles fans are lucky that you're not their list manager. In a fantasy scenario, you'd be taking Daicos. Your midfield sucks. Darcy won't be doing much if the ball isn't getting to him.

I'd back my list management skills to find 4 more decent midfielders within the 12-16 year period Darcy is going to be running rampant in the league. Cheers for the insight into your extremely short term, limited, way of thinking though.

 

[RCAB]

I'd back my list management skills to find 4 more decent midfielders within the 12-16 year period Darcy is going to be running rampant in the league. Cheers for the insight into your extremely short term, limited, way of thinking though.

Daicos isn't a just a "decent" midfielder. And he's already being running rampant for years.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Sam Darcy has played 34 games and has been held to 0 or 1 goal in 21 of those games. He is going to be a very good player, maybe an exceptional player but this rubbish that he can't be stopped is ridiculous.

That's pretty disingenuous stat picking. He's kicked at least one goal in 27 of his last 29 games (including his knee injury game against St Kilda where he came off early and prior to kicking a major). He's kicked multiple goals in 8 of his last 10 matches, including bags of 7, 4, 5 & 3.

 

[Mofra]

The thing is, if we had to pick between Nick or Sam, we have to pick Sam, as we already have Nick.

Sam's already a better ruck than Timmy English so we'd gladly have another one too.

Damn tempting to see what Nick would do as a full time forward though. He's the most 'balanced' player in the comp since Gaz junior and keeping your feet that well in F50 congestion would be so hard to stop.

 

[Bald]

Sam Darcy's durability vs Nick Daico's durability has to be taken into account.

Both players can win a game for their respective club but I would take Daicos ability to do it consistently over his career vs Sam Darcy's sporadic and injury prone career to date.

Outside of his most recent 6 week knee injury, pretty much all of Sam Darcy's injuries were growing related issues. There's a reasonable argument that his ongoing durability may be questionable purely due to his height, but I wouldn't take his durability to date as any indication of his durability for the future.

 

[Corkintheocean]

Daicos isn't a just a "decent" midfielder. And he's already being running rampant for years.

Did I say he was? My comment was referring to the fact I think Darcy so exceptional, that he could get the job done with a good-mediocre midfield. Perhaps take some time to comprehend a posters' position before smashing the reply button, yeah?

 

[PowerfulPies2023]

Neither. They have no ground game. They're not a complete fighter.

 

[RCAB]

Did I say he was? My comment was referring to the fact I think Darcy so exceptional, that he could get the job done with a good-mediocre midfield. Perhaps take some time to comprehend a posters' position before smashing the reply button, yeah?

I said that you should be taking Nick Daicos as your midfield sucks, but according to you:

"I'd back my list management skills to find 4 more decent midfielders"

So how is someone supposed to interpret that? I say, West Coast should pick Daicos, your response was we'll find "decent" midfielders. You have "decent" midfielders already, it's not helping at all.

 

[Corkintheocean]

I said that you should be taking Nick Daicos as your midfield sucks, but according to you:

"I'd back my list management skills to find 4 more decent midfielders"

So how is someone supposed to interpret that? I say, West Coast should pick Daicos, your response was we'll find "decent" midfielders. You have "decent" midfielders already, it's not helping at all.

Our midfield isn't decent or anywhere close to league average, what are you dribbling on about?

For the avoidance of doubt, that was a rhetorical question. Please don't respond.

 

[Humblebob]

Great Key Forwards are a luxury, Great Midfielders are a necessity. How people view either of these prospects is up to interpretation and is a matter of opinion but Daicos is already in the best handful of players in the game, pretending otherwise is just being disingenuous.

Do with that what you will.