Hypothetical Trade

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Channel 10 News just said that Meesen has just put contract talks on hold, and considering he’s out of contract at season’s end I’m not overly confident he’ll be back next year.

I believe Richmond’s Danny Meyer is also out of contract at season’s end. He’s 20 years of age, originates from Glenelg, and is reportedly home sick although that’s just speculation. He’s struggling to make an impact with the Tigers, but has performed quite well with Coburg in the VFL.

So considering they were taken at picks 8 and 12 respectively in the 2004 AFL Draft, would you trade Meesen for Meyer?

Trade him to Geelong.

They need a young ruckman to develop. Perhaps try and push for a swap with Varcoe ? (may be pushing it a little).

If not - then the direct swap with Danny Meyer seems fitting. Both clubs gain.

 

[macca23]

Channel 10 News just said that Meesen has just put contract talks on hold, and considering he’s out of contract at season’s end I’m not overly confident he’ll be back next year.

I believe Richmond’s Danny Meyer is also out of contract at season’s end. He’s 20 years of age, originates from Glenelg, and is reportedly home sick although that’s just speculation. He’s struggling to make an impact with the Tigers, but has performed quite well with Coburg in the VFL.

So considering they were taken at picks 8 and 12 respectively in the 2004 AFL Draft, would you trade Meesen for Meyer?

I think we have another first round floparoo on our hands here Drummond.

Players only put their contract discussions off until the end of the season for one of 2 reasons:

1 - They are in outstanding form and want to bargain for a significant pay rise at year end. That ain't Meesen!!

2 - They are going to p1ss off home at the end of the year. That sounds like Meesen.

We used pick 8 on Meesen. We won't see anything like that in a potential trade IMO. More like a very low first rounder like 16 or even a 2nd rounder.

My hunch is that he has shown so little that we will be forced to firesale him or risk getting nothing for him

 

[RoosterLad]

I doubt Geelong would be willing to let go of Varcoe.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

I doubt Geelong would be willing to let go of Varcoe.

You're right.

I doubt they will either. But at the same time they are screaming out for a young ruckman now that King isn't performing so well.

Im 120% sure Meeson will do the right thing by AFC and opt for a deal, as opposed to walking into the PSD.

 

[macca23]

Trade him to Geelong.

They need a young ruckman to develop. Perhaps try and push for a swap with Varcoe ? (may be pushing it a little).

He won't be going anywhere for the moment, though - one would think

I'd do that trade.

 

[Crow-mo]

I'm guessing you started the rumour.

I very much doubt Meesen will end up in the PSD as the Crows would do a deal if he wanted to leave.

I think correct on both counts.

Meesen goes to Richmond in the PSD (If that's on the cards) only if the other 9 victorian teams sit on their hands and let it happen.

why would Geelong (say) let Richmond get him for nothing, when they could use him.

then why would the Doggies (say) let Geelong get him on the cheap...

and so forth...

 

[Drummond]

We used pick 8 on Meesen. We won't see anything like that in a potential trade IMO. More like a very low first rounder like 16 or even a 2nd rounder.

My hunch is that he has shown so little that we will be forced to firesale him or risk getting nothing for him

I agree macca.

As I said earlier, had Fergus Watts done much more when he was traded to the Saints? But I guess the Saints were willing to give up their 1st rounder because his Dad was there and looking back at it perhaps we got a tad lucky. Has Meesen shown less or more than Watts? Watts played 5 AFL games in 2 years but had little impact in the SANFL bar that one Finals game.

I highly doubt any club would be willing to trade us anyone who has established themselves at AFL level. That means Griffen, Cooney, Waters, Butler, Bell, Slattery ect would all be off-limits. You would think the only two outcomes are a lesser known South Australian fringe player such as Meyer, or a draft pick.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I know everyone loves you on this board, but boy do you love to sit on the fence.

Every thread we hear the same thing about waiting for these things, well why wait? I’ve just started a simple discussion about potential players we could get in return for Meesen if he is to leave. I’m not saying he’s gone, but the bottom line is that it’s not looking likely that he’ll be around next year. So how about you stop dismissing every thread which remotely discusses the future, and tell me would you would like to target.

If Meesen is to leave we’ll get something pretty decent in return, so who/what should that be in your eyes? It's not hard.

Why wait?!

Well I don't know, maybe to find out what exactly is happening and them see who else is available on the market. Why the #### would we settle for Danny Meyer when there might be a bigger fish out there?!

But lets wait and see if the kid will leave or stay. 99% of the people here thought that he would have gone last year yet they were wrong. What makes you think he might not do the same thing and stay on with us?

 

[RoosterLad]

Watts has shown more than Meesen purely because he kicked 10 in a match.

 

[macca23]

I think correct on both counts.

Meesen goes to Richmond in the PSD (If that's on the cards) only if the other 9 victorian teams sit on their hands and let it happen.

why would Geelong (say) let Richmond get him for nothing, when they could use him.

then why would the Doggies (say) let Geelong get him on the cheap...

and so forth...

That was the general thought with Fergus Watts though Crow-mo and they didn't exactly beat the door down to get him.

IMO Meesen has produced less than Watts.

I hope you're right though.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Opportunity to play and a decent salary may get him to agree to a PSD deal. by the way Meyer is a good player. hed be sensational at Adelaide, the kid needs to play in a good side with experienced players- he hasnt got that at Richmond.

Im sure that if that was the case.

Carlton would be more than happy to throw up a 2nd rounder to try and pip that deal.

2nd round pick > Nothing.

 

[Drummond]

Why wait?!

Well I don't know, maybe to find out what exactly is happening and them see who else is available on the market. Why the #### would we settle for Danny Meyer when there might be a bigger fish out there?!

But lets wait and see if the kid will leave or stay. 99% of the people here thought that he would have gone last year yet they were wrong. What makes you think he might not do the same thing and stay on with us?

Do you even need to ask?

• More than likely he’ll be 4th in line next year (Hudson, Griffin, Maric, Meesen).
• 2007 was the year for Meesen. He put in a huge pre-season and with Biglands out for the year this was his big chance to establish himself at AFL level. Well the worst thing imaginable happened; he suffered a long term injury which set him back.
• He signed a 1 year deal at the end of 2006, which gave him another season to evaluate where he stood at the AFC. As nothing has changed and he is still a long way off making his AFL debut, give me one reason why he will re-sign?

I hate to say it, you know how much of a fan I am, but all signs point to the fact he’s leaving, and that was BEFORE I heard he has put his contract talks on hold.

And without doubt there are bigger fish out there than Meyer, but who out there is out of contract and would be seeking a move to South Australia? I think you'll find there aren't too many.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Jordan Russell ?

 

[Crow-mo]

That was the general thought with Fergus Watts though Crow-mo and they didn't exactly beat the door down to get him.

IMO Meesen has produced less than Watts.

I hope you're right though.

True. But then, it all depends on how you view pick 17 (on the cheap or not?).

I also believe 2 things from our point of view here: that Fergus' ties to St Kilda (that didn't last long) put some clubs off; and that we tried to do the right thing by the player. long term that sort of stuff matters.

 

[Crow-mo]

Im sure that if that was the case.

Carlton would be more than happy to throw up a 2nd rounder to try and pip that deal.

2nd round pick > Nothing.

exactly. at that point, it's every victorian club for themselves.

 

[macca23]

Jordan Russell ?

He's okay but IMO doesn't really tick the boxes for what we need.

We need a quick genuine crumber up forward - hence my interest in Varcoe - or a forward capable of taking a string of contested marks.

Whetehr we get anything like that is totally another question though.

 

[King Elvis]

I'd want something else, not just Meyer.

As has been said, a top 10 pick who has spent a couple of years being developed by one of the most professional Clubs in the League would have to hold his value pretty well.

And a good tall is simply worth more than a good small.

Really, we need to almost get the whispers out that a trade might be on the cards, and for any young Adelaide-born players looking to come home to get their Managers to give us a ring.

The Varcoe trade you'd look at - would that be a straight swap though?

Macca - I think with Sellar, Tippett & Griff being developed, with Hentschel to come back, we should be alright with our KPP stocks in a year or two. The midfield still looks good, the backline is pretty solid - so yes, either a good leading, quick forward, or a high pressure crumber.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

He's okay but IMO doesn't really tick the boxes for what we need.

We need a quick genuine crumber up forward - hence my interest in Varcoe - or a forward capable of taking a string of contested marks.

Whetehr we get anything like that is totally another question though.

hmmm ... We've got a stack of KP players.

Would Adam Hartlett be suitable for the Crows ?

taken at #25 that very same draft from West Adelaide. 196 cm, 100 kg FB/CHB/CHF/FF and still only 21.

Hartlett + a draft pick ?

 

[macca23]

hmmm ... We've got a stack of KP players.

Would Adam Hartlett be suitable for the Crows ?

taken at #25 that very same draft from West Adelaide. 196 cm, 100 kg FB/CHB/CHF/FF and still only 21.

Hartlett + a draft pick ?

Really don't know enough about how he's travelling in the magoos and whether he can take a strong contested mark.

His one and only AFL game against adelaide was something short of memorable.

 

[King Elvis]

Would he be a walk up start though?

With respect to your mob, how many games has he played for you this year?

Regardless, I don't think we need another KPP, if one or two of Sellar, Tippett, Griff or Hentschel comes good we could be alright.

I don't think we'd want another pick, and I don't think we'd want a guy struggling to get a game for you guys.

And we'd want a walk-up start who can fill a role that we currently lack (a Bode type).

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

His one and only AFL game against adelaide was something short of memorable.

Fair Point.

 

[King Elvis]

It'd be a bit harsh, but my first thought would be to look at St Kilda and try and raid them for a player.

Them or Melbourne.

 

[kimirocks]

Firesale down at Carlton FC. Sell out all your dud South Aussies for bargain basement prices. Come one, come all.

Anywho, although I am a fan of both Russell and Hartlett, I'm not so sure that they fit us. Russell, by what I've heard this year (not being able to watch and all) has been used primarily as a stopper. I would think Adelaide would use him more as a winger, what he should be use as. He has pace, generally good skills, but just needs a bit more bulk. Still might be a player, but a lot of perseverance is needed.

 

[C4[2]Yo`DooR]

Firesale down at Carlton FC. Sell out all your dud South Aussies for bargain basement prices. Come one, come all.

Anywho, although I am a fan of both Russell and Hartlett, I'm not so sure that they fit us. Russell, by what I've heard this year (not being able to watch and all) has been used primarily as a stopper. I would think Adelaide would use him more as a winger, what he should be use as. He has pace, generally good skills, but just needs a bit more bulk. Still might be a player, but a lot of perseverance is needed.

Dennis finally agreed to let him play loose in the midfield for a change, for the first time on Sat night.

Some pretty impressive stats:

16 Possessions, 7 Contested Possessions, 7 Marks, 2 Tackles, 6 Inside 50s

 

[King Elvis]

We almost need a list of Adelaide born players under 25 playing in Melbourne at the moment.

Sam Fisher from Saints?
Daniel Bell from Melbourne?
Angus Monfries from Essendon?
Matthew Bate from Melbourne?


We might need to give something else as well, but players like that are where I would be looking.

EDIT - Jordan Russell (http://www.carltonfc.com.au/carlton...layerId/14030/teamId/43/typeId/2/Default.aspx) as a straight swap, I wouldn't be too upset with. Would definitely be worth considering. Or Jarred Waite