I like Kane Johnson

[ize_]

There. Take that. Despite his errant kicking and apparent lack of onfield leadership, I firmly believe that anyone who thinks Sugar is no longer in our best 22 is just wrong. He's a classic honest and hardworking footballer, and clubs need that. Most of us have no idea how AFL clubs work and how much he may give on, or off the field, but I genuinely think that he is a required player for now. Whilst there is an argument that he is taking the spot of a kid, it is really not ALL about the kids. We are past the point of gifting games to our youngsters just so they can get the experience up. We should, for the most part, be playing our best 22. What kid could be expected to come in and play with the impact and consistency that Sugar does? Deledio's comments about how hard Sugar was on him when he first arrived were very interesting, and showed once again how his leadership skills are evident ways we may not be exposed to. On top of this, 2008 has been his best season statistically in some years, so there's no signs he's dropping away as significantly as most of us thought he would. He should, and will stay on for 2009, though not as captain. That much I think we're all in agreement about, even he and Wallace given last week's article in The Age. 2009 should see Sugar off half back and wing, where he played his best football for Adelaide, with Lids a permanent spot in the guts. Coming to Richmond he was forced to be the best player and thus play on ball. He's far more effective in his natural positions. I would then expect him to be coming off the bench for the majority of the second half of the year whilst Cotchin, Connors and dare I say it Cogs become regulars in the midfield. I know sticking up for KJ is not going to be a popular thing to do, but I think Richmond are the fiercest whippers of the whipping boys that there is in the AFL. Really, when things aren't going well we look for authority figures, and because Johnson doesn't epitomise the rounded and extroverted perception of what a leader should be (Luke Hodge, Michael Voss, Zeus), he cops it unfairly.

 

[getthefooty]

There. Take that. Despite his errant kicking and apparent lack of onfield leadership, I firmly believe that anyone who thinks Sugar is no longer in our best 22 is just wrong. He's a classic honest and hardworking footballer, and clubs need that. Most of us have no idea how AFL clubs work and how much he may give on, or off the field, but I genuinely think that he is a required player for now. Whilst there is an argument that he is taking the spot of a kid, it is really not ALL about the kids. We are past the point of gifting games to our youngsters just so they can get the experience up. We should, for the most part, be playing our best 22. What kid could be expected to come in and play with the impact and consistency that Sugar does? Deledio's comments about how hard Sugar was on him when he first arrived were very interesting, and showed once again how his leadership skills are evident ways we may not be exposed to. On top of this, 2008 has been his best season statistically in some years, so there's no signs he's dropping away as significantly as most of us thought he would. He should, and will stay on for 2009, though not as captain. That much I think we're all in agreement about, even he and Wallace given last week's article in The Age. 2009 should see Sugar off half back and wing, where he played his best football for Adelaide, with Lids a permanent spot in the guts. Coming to Richmond he was forced to be the best player and thus play on ball. He's far more effective in his natural positions. I would then expect him to be coming off the bench for the majority of the second half of the year whilst Cotchin, Connors and dare I say it Cogs become regulars in the midfield. I know sticking up for KJ is not going to be a popular thing to do, but I think Richmond are the fiercest whippers of the whipping boys that there is in the AFL. Really, when things aren't going well we look for authority figures, and because Johnson doesn't epitomise the rounded and extroverted perception of what a leader should be (Luke Hodge, Michael Voss, Zeus), he cops it unfairly.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Bravely put and on the money.

Deledio's comments confirmed what I've thought about Kane all along - he is an outstanding leader.

By Round 8 this year he was the 2nd most effective player in the AFL, so he's clearly in our best 22.

He plays with injuries all the time so our younger players don't complain about their own little niggles and just get on with it.

He gets the most out of his teammates and you will be hearing of Kane's leadership in 5-8 years time when our current batch of youngsters are all multiple premiership heroes



He's not a champion but he is playing a role in bringing a premiership to this club.

 

[peterbuch74]

Well said Ize... I've been a KJ fan since he came to Tigerland.

Sure he's flawed in areas, but I still want him at the club.

 

[kingy46]

There. Take that. Despite his errant kicking and apparent lack of onfield leadership, I firmly believe that anyone who thinks Sugar is no longer in our best 22 is just wrong. He's a classic honest and hardworking footballer, and clubs need that. Most of us have no idea how AFL clubs work and how much he may give on, or off the field, but I genuinely think that he is a required player for now. Whilst there is an argument that he is taking the spot of a kid, it is really not ALL about the kids. We are past the point of gifting games to our youngsters just so they can get the experience up. We should, for the most part, be playing our best 22. What kid could be expected to come in and play with the impact and consistency that Sugar does? Deledio's comments about how hard Sugar was on him when he first arrived were very interesting, and showed once again how his leadership skills are evident ways we may not be exposed to. On top of this, 2008 has been his best season statistically in some years, so there's no signs he's dropping away as significantly as most of us thought he would. He should, and will stay on for 2009, though not as captain. That much I think we're all in agreement about, even he and Wallace given last week's article in The Age. 2009 should see Sugar off half back and wing, where he played his best football for Adelaide, with Lids a permanent spot in the guts. Coming to Richmond he was forced to be the best player and thus play on ball. He's far more effective in his natural positions. I would then expect him to be coming off the bench for the majority of the second half of the year whilst Cotchin, Connors and dare I say it Cogs become regulars in the midfield. I know sticking up for KJ is not going to be a popular thing to do, but I think Richmond are the fiercest whippers of the whipping boys that there is in the AFL. Really, when things aren't going well we look for authority figures, and because Johnson doesn't epitomise the rounded and extroverted perception of what a leader should be (Luke Hodge, Michael Voss, Zeus), he cops it unfairly.

well put!!! i agree with everything you mentioned and it really has been making me angry with the amount of rubbish that people write about kane johnson.. how can people say he isnt in our starting 22? he is a massive part of the richmond team and im getting sick of people saying he is not!! there was a stat half way through the year and it was kane johnson who was leading the disposals for how much time spent on the bench!!! so anyone that thinks he is not part of richmond going forward have a look at yourselves and stop bagging your own!! i dont see how supporters of a club can do that to the players that go out on that field and week in week out providing for the football club and trying to bring success for richmond fans!! it really is becoming a joke and sooner the fans stop putting down players the better!! SUPPORT YOUR FOOTBALL CLUB dont bag them all the time!!!!

GO TIGERS

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Oh dear, when does Oxx's red card expire...

 

[deliberate!!]

In honour of Oxx.

Sack Captain Pee Pee!

 

[Deledio2Conca]

He's certainly in our best 22, no doubt about that. Just seems to have lapses in concentration during parts of every game. Whether it being getting run down, poor handballs or scrubbing kicks along the ground.

A great leader though, and wouldn't really care if he was kept as captain for next year.

 

[JSFish]

Yep, agree. Definitely in our best 22. Very happy with him going again next year, although not necessarily as captain. Having said that I wouldn't mind too much if he was again.

If he wasn't our captain, he wouldn't be judged so harshly. It's as though people think 'well a captain should be one of the best players in the team, and he's not, so he shouldn't be playing at all', whereas if he wasn't captain, he'd just be a solid week in-week out contributor.

 

[deliberate!!]

Yep, agree. Definitely in our best 22. Very happy with him going again next year, although not necessarily as captain. Having said that I wouldn't mind too much if he was again.

If he wasn't our captain, he wouldn't be judged so harshly. It's as though people think 'well a captain should be one of the best players in the team, and he's not, so he shouldn't be playing at all', whereas if he wasn't captain, he'd just be a solid week in-week out contributor.

Fishy,
By saying that.....you're saying our 22 isn't strong enough. If our Leader, and supposedly one of our better players, plays for a team that can't make the top eight, then the fish ( excuse the pun ) is certainly rotting at the head.

Bingo.

 

[dyl_tigerman]

on the money... and keep him cos he averages round 90 in supercoach and i have him in my team...
nah seriously i would have him in our best 22 except he chops the ball...
other then that we need the leadership and age in the team to keep it balanced...
we give him shit but he isn't that bad... i'd have him over scott burns... wouldn't you????

 

[CoggaRules]

He's certainly in our best 22, no doubt about that. Just seems to have lapses in concentration during parts of every game. Whether it being getting run down, poor handballs or scrubbing kicks along the ground.

A great leader though, and wouldn't really care if he was kept as captain for next year.

so fish...is there anything not wrong with a team that didnt finish ontop? I mean from all your posts, i fail to see one, that you actually suggest a player aint up to it.
Kind of strange dont you think?
I mean apart from the cats and maybe the dawks, i for one would suggest, that there are deficiencies in all other teams' personnel, that need to be addressed, if they are to attain the ulitmate prize.
But with you, we have no worries and all our players, apart from those who were in past senior line ups and who are not in the seniors as we speak, have what it takes to get us the prize, correct?
This is what i talk about when we talk about blind positivity and stark reality. Those who talk in the stark reality, tend to doff their hats to players who can perform, ontop of giving their negatives on players that cant, in their opinion. You on the other hand, refuse to suggest one player who cant perform, which is completely and utterly ridiculous.

 

[bushranger58]

Re: I like Kane Johnson.
Here's my spin on it. He's the worse captain in the AFL. A true fake that somehow keeps playing. His worth isn't ONE CENT. I can't wait till he has retired. So we don't have thread about the poorest captain Richmond has ever seen.
Just aim him for a cop shop he'll do the rest, as he's P*** poor.

 

[Top_4_Tiger]

Re: I like Kane Johnson.
Here's my spin on it. He's the worse captain in the AFL. A true fake that somehow keeps playing. His worth isn't ONE CENT. I can't wait till he has retired. So we don't have thread about the poorest captain Richmond has ever seen.
Just aim him for a cop shop he'll do the rest, as he's P*** poor.

Harness that anger and caveman-like aggression and use it to scream your support as loudly as you can against Melbourne this week

 

[Thecho]

i think Johnson is in our best 22. although behind the scenes, i never doubted his off field involvement with the club. in saying that though he shouldnt be captain next year. i feel his performances are still good but decisions and certain actions that he has made this year (ie handpassing to white in the goal square when johnson was running into goal) may be a result of the pressure on him to perform as a captain and lead the way.

i feel a captain needs to be able to step up and put those sought of goals away. he can still show leadership off-field but we have players who are able to step into the new role.

newman and foley are favourite to be captain but i would like Deledio to be captain i think he has proven he can be our next captain.

 

[bushranger58]

Harness that anger and caveman-like aggression and use it to scream your support as loudly as you can against Melbourne this week

I can do that. But my feeling for him will remain. And I think he's in our best 44 with him 44th.
I will admit that he's playing a good type of football recently. But before I don't think so.

 

[deliberate!!]

so fish...is there anything not wrong with a team that didnt finish ontop? I mean from all your posts, i fail to see one, that you actually suggest a player aint up to it.
Kind of strange dont you think?
I mean apart from the cats and maybe the dawks, i for one would suggest, that there are deficiencies in all other teams' personnel, that need to be addressed, if they are to attain the ulitmate prize.
But with you, we have no worries and all our players, apart from those who were in past senior line ups and who are not in the seniors as we speak, have what it takes to get us the prize, correct?
This is what i talk about when we talk about blind positivity and stark reality. Those who talk in the stark reality, tend to doff their hats to players who can perform, ontop of giving their negatives on players that cant, in their opinion. You on the other hand, refuse to suggest one player who cant perform, which is completely and utterly ridiculous.

Coggy....If you are referring to our dear friend JSFishyFingy, then you should know by now that the Finger works for the football club.
A serial killer would come out smelling like roses if his Lawyer was the honorable J.S.FishFinga.

 

[JSFish]

Fishy,
By saying that.....you're saying our 22 isn't strong enough. If our Leader, and supposedly one of our better players, plays for a team that can't make the top eight, then the fish ( excuse the pun ) is certainly rotting at the head.

Bingo.

I don't know what the **** you're talking about. Try making sense, then I'll make a real reply. Are you saying that every captain who plays for a team in the bottom 8 should is rotting at the head?

so fish...is there anything not wrong with a team that didnt finish ontop? I mean from all your posts, i fail to see one, that you actually suggest a player aint up to it.
Kind of strange dont you think?
I mean apart from the cats and maybe the dawks, i for one would suggest, that there are deficiencies in all other teams' personnel, that need to be addressed, if they are to attain the ulitmate prize.
But with you, we have no worries and all our players, apart from those who were in past senior line ups and who are not in the seniors as we speak, have what it takes to get us the prize, correct?
This is what i talk about when we talk about blind positivity and stark reality. Those who talk in the stark reality, tend to doff their hats to players who can perform, ontop of giving their negatives on players that cant, in their opinion. You on the other hand, refuse to suggest one player who cant perform, which is completely and utterly ridiculous.

I read a bit of that, but I can't really be bothered. The fact that you quoted D2T's post, and started talking to me speaks volumes about your intelligence.

 

[JSFish]

Coggy....If you are referring to our dear friend JSFishyFingy, then you should know by now that the Finger works for the football club.
A serial killer would come out smelling like roses if his Lawyer was the honorable J.S.FishFinga.

It's really funny. What you don't realise, is that nobody agrees with anything you say. Similar goes for Cogga. I laugh at you.

 

[1980]

It's really funny. What you don't realise, is that nobody agrees with anything you say. Similar goes for Cogga. I laugh at you.

Do you work for the club do you Fishfinger? Do they pay you to come on here and defend it?

 

[I Rock]

I like beer at the footy, it helps dull the pain that is Kane Johnson.

 

[JSFish]

No. I just happen to find Richmond to be a good team. As unbelievable as it is, we are going places.

 

[1980]

There. Take that. Despite his errant kicking and apparent lack of onfield leadership, I firmly believe that anyone who thinks Sugar is no longer in our best 22 is just wrong. He's a classic honest and hardworking footballer, and clubs need that. Most of us have no idea how AFL clubs work and how much he may give on, or off the field, but I genuinely think that he is a required player for now. Whilst there is an argument that he is taking the spot of a kid, it is really not ALL about the kids. We are past the point of gifting games to our youngsters just so they can get the experience up. We should, for the most part, be playing our best 22. What kid could be expected to come in and play with the impact and consistency that Sugar does? Deledio's comments about how hard Sugar was on him when he first arrived were very interesting, and showed once again how his leadership skills are evident ways we may not be exposed to. On top of this, 2008 has been his best season statistically in some years, so there's no signs he's dropping away as significantly as most of us thought he would. He should, and will stay on for 2009, though not as captain. That much I think we're all in agreement about, even he and Wallace given last week's article in The Age. 2009 should see Sugar off half back and wing, where he played his best football for Adelaide, with Lids a permanent spot in the guts. Coming to Richmond he was forced to be the best player and thus play on ball. He's far more effective in his natural positions. I would then expect him to be coming off the bench for the majority of the second half of the year whilst Cotchin, Connors and dare I say it Cogs become regulars in the midfield. I know sticking up for KJ is not going to be a popular thing to do, but I think Richmond are the fiercest whippers of the whipping boys that there is in the AFL. Really, when things aren't going well we look for authority figures, and because Johnson doesn't epitomise the rounded and extroverted perception of what a leader should be (Luke Hodge, Michael Voss, Zeus), he cops it unfairly.

LMFAO

Johnson marks the ball inside 50 and handballs it off everytime because it helps develop the team to win a premiership in future years.

Worst all time Richmond captain.

You're a joke mate.

 

[1980]

No. I just happen to find Richmond to be a good team. As unbelievable as it is, we are going places.

You said the same thing when Frawley was coach.

 

[JSFish]

Oh did I just? Thank you so much for that enlightening piece of bullshit you just made up