IDGAF and CoggaRules Private Conversation Thread :)

[CoggaRules]

Sorry to see Weave's go, but still recall with great amusement:

Richmond - pick 8 - Jack Reiwoldt

Weaver - "pathetic decision"

He may be right, but by our standards of recruiting, he is not by any stretch the most pathetic draft selection we've made.

naaa, the line didnt include "most". BTW me thinks he maybe right, really should read he aint wrong yet. Lets not forget the once "messiah", Justin Plapp.
The similarities are uncanny at this point in their careers.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

. Lets not forget the once "messiah", Justin Plapp.
The similarities are uncanny at this point in their careers.

Where you been Cogga ...

Very similar .. one is a first round draft pick who did a pretty tidy job in his first year ... the other was rookie listed late bloomer who we took a punt on ... striking resemblence ... throw in the blonde hair and they could be twins

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Where you been Cogga ...

Very similar .. one is a first round draft pick who did a pretty tidy job in his first year ... the other was rookie listed late bloomer who we took a punt on ... srtriking resemblence ... throw in the blonde hair and they could be twins

Tidy job? you mark them to easy ID. If he cant get the speed happening, then I am afraid with his build, i.e. big medium - small big, he is caught between a rock and a hard place, for where he plays his footy.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Tidy job? you mark them to easy ID.

D- ... by your standards , very little effort or research

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

D- ... by your standards , very little effort or research

dude, you can research all you like. I tend to stick to what unfolds when they run onto the field, when the big time beckons. All the talk about players going to be this and that, because they did this and that in a comp other than the top line, means sh-it when they are put to the sword. Lets hope Weaver was wrong along with the way I kind of view him as well. Plodder that showed a couple of glimpses in a side that won the spoon. Not to mention took him the best part of the year to "break" into the unit that was kicking butt as well.
One thing you also lose sight of is that according to the way you see it, we basically arent going to make one mistake with our first rounders correct? Aint going to happen.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

dude, you can research all you like. I tend to stick to what unfolds when they run onto the field, when the big time beckons. All the talk about players going to be this and that, because they did this and that in a comp other than the top line, means sh-it when they are put to the sword. Lets hope Weaver was wrong along with the way I kind of view him as well. Plodder that showed a couple of glimpses in a side that won the spoon. Not to mention took him the best part of the year to "break" into the unit that was kicking butt as well.

Liked what i saw in some of our improved , more than competetive performances towards the end of the year .... a year that we performed better than our last placed finish would indicate ... owned the joint at Coburg on more than a few occasions .

Be negative ... knock yourself out ... but i for one am happy with his development , reads it well and puts himself in the right spots . FWIW its worth i have never said "Will be a star" ... just basing my view on his 12 months of footy at the RFC (notice the lack of use of the "P" word)

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Liked what i saw in some of our improved , more than competetive performances towards the end of the year .... a year that we performed better than our last placed finish would indicate ... owned the joint at Coburg on more than a few occasions .

Be negative ... knock yourself out ... but i for one am happy with his development , reads it well and puts himself in the right spots . FWIW its worth i have never said "Will be a star" ... just basing my view on his 12 months of footy at the RFC (notice the lack of use of the "P" word)

ahhh the dreaded P word, its the word that keeps on giving. Especially at tigerland. You can end up with a 150 game career at tigerland as long as you have the P word. But you need to get with it dude, nowadays the U word has taken over.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

ahhh the dreaded P word, its the word that keeps on giving. Especially at tigerland. You can end up with a 150 game career at tigerland as long as you have the P word.

Jay Schulz board

...(and never a truer word spoken)

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Jay Schulz board

...(and never a truer word spoken)

exhibit A your honour, from the rate the team thread:

8) Jack Riewoldt: Up and coming. Should be a very good player for us. Lacks a bit of pace (actually, more than a bit), but makes up for it with his football brains. Also has a touch of class. I think it was well worth getting him, and should vindicate his pick 13 tag. But judging what hes done so far, he would score low. So far: 4/10, potential: 8.5/10

Pay particular attention to the lack of speed line. Lacks a bit of pace (actually, more than a bit), but makes up for it with his football brains

Now I would be tipping that "more than a bit" can be more appropriately put as "is slow". But hey, he makes up for it with his football brains, just like a cavalcade of others that have gone before him who had this- potential: 8.5/10, and ended up? Because they had the same lack of pace but they had football brains.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

. But hey, he makes up for it with his football brains, just like a cavalcade of others that have gone before him

list me the "cavalcade" of our footy MENSA graduates who have exhibited great footy brains but no leg speed ?

LMAO

My kingdom for a few players with "Footy brains" .... Jay Schulz exhibits few talents ... but at the top of his "Lacking" list is a footy brain . This is a huge statement but i don`t think i have ever seen a slower player "mentally" in our jumper than Jay ...

 

[smokey_58au]

Carlton had first bite at a young Greg Williams but rejected him on the grounds he was too slow to ever play AFL football. Speed in the legs isn't necessarily what's required. You can make up many lengths in the straight if your brain and reaction time are quick.

 

[richoatthedisco]

Carlton had first bite at a young Greg Williams but rejected him on the grounds he was too slow to ever play AFL football. Speed in the legs isn't necessarily what's required. You can make up many lengths in the straight if your brain and reaction time are quick.

Yeah but Riewoldt ain't a centreman. Smells like Lance Whitnall...

 

[IDGAF]

Smells like Lance Whitnall...

Future captain ..

Hope he gets on better with his brother though

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

list me the "cavalcade" of our footy MENSA graduates who have exhibited great footy brains but no leg speed ?

LMAO

My kingdom for a few players with "Footy brains" .... Jay Schulz exhibits few talents ... but at the top of his "Lacking" list is a footy brain . This is a huge statement but i don`t think i have ever seen a slower player "mentally" in our jumper than Jay ...

I blew an overload fuse, purely because of the flood of bad memories that came back from years gone by.
But I will say this with confidence, for the last 20 years, we have 95% of the time looked light years slower than our opposition, week in week out, even on our good days. Each week, i for one couldnt get over how much sleeker the opposition looked compared to us, even when playing teams that were keeping us company at the ass end of the ladder.

That me thinks, is because we went for the usual, "footy brains" instead of the sleek movers, more often than not. Unfortunately we usually ended up with a bunch of triers, that were continuously chasing hard, allbeit, 5 meters behind the chased, but never giving up, because? they had good footy brains, hence they knew that if they kept running up and down on the one spot, chasing the player they were never going to get within cooee of, we would laud them for trying hard. With us not recruiting others to fill their spot, because we had the spot filled with football brains, that had the tiger heads waiting for the potential that those football brains showed, to appear. Hence we are where we are right now.

 

[CoggaRules]

Carlton had first bite at a young Greg Williams but rejected him on the grounds he was too slow to ever play AFL football. Speed in the legs isn't necessarily what's required. You can make up many lengths in the straight if your brain and reaction time are quick.

get real dude, totally different story with diesel. One was the midfield architect, just like Knighta etc. Reiwoldts position re. his size and playing position, is neither here or there. He needs speed, if he dont get it, my tip is he wont cut it.

 

[tigerdan]

Far out Cogga, you make me laugh!

 

[Bojangles17]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Plodder that showed a couple of glimpses in a side that won the spoon. Not to mention took him the best part of the year to "break" into the unit that was kicking butt as well.

rather than draw staright from the clacker when appraising youngsters I prefer to benchmark against their contemporaries of same draft...remind us how Gumbleton , Hanson and sellars performed in 2007 in comparrison

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

rather than draw staright from the clacker when appraising youngsters I prefer to benchmark against their contemporaries of same draft...remind us how Gumbleton , Hanson and sellars performed in 2007 in comparrison

LMAOOOOO

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

That me thinks, is because we went for the usual, "footy brains" instead of the sleek movers, more often than not. Unfortunately we usually ended up with a bunch of triers, that were continuously chasing hard, allbeit, 5 meters behind the chased, but never giving up, because? they had good footy brains, hence they knew that if they kept running up and down on the one spot, chasing the player they were never going to get within cooee of, we would laud them for trying hard. With us not recruiting others to fill their spot, because we had the spot filled with football brains, that had the tiger heads waiting for the potential that those football brains showed, to appear. Hence we are where we are right now.

Sorry Cogga ... chasing hard does not ... and never will denote "footy brains"

Says "Trier" ... and "Big heart" ... does not mean footy brains .

Did Andy Goodwin have "Footy Brains" ??? .. he is the poster boy for what you are trying to outline .

Footy brains are being able to read the play and be able to put ones self in the best positions to get the pill , knowing what to do with it when one has the pill , knowing how to bring team-mates into the game , knowing how to curtail the opposition when they have the footy .... all qualities of possessing a "Footy Brain" .

Richo .... whilst he is acknowledged as a great Richmond man , and we all love him etc. etc ... has always lacked a true football brain ... it is why he cannot be played up the ground . Great athlete ... one of the greatest the game has ever seen , but unfortunately his bonse gets more than a little frazzled when he has the pill in his hand and he is not having a shot at goal ....

Joel Bowden ... ripping example ... great at reading and second guessing the play , but when he has the ball ??? ... raffle .

i digress anyway ... sorry cogs ... but i think you are barking up the wrong tree to say that our players have had footy smarts but lacked pace ... i would say we have suffered more from a lack of both , rather than just one of those qualities ... moreso in the "Brains" dept.

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

rather than draw staright from the clacker when appraising youngsters I prefer to benchmark against their contemporaries of same draft...remind us how Gumbleton , Hanson and sellars performed in 2007 in comparrison

interesting...so player "a" aint a bad player, purely because player "b" from the same draft is worse,according to you correct?
Like we are better off because we are less worse off? I see you are well abreast about what drawing from the clacker is all about.

 

[Heisenberg_]

Re: Thanks Weaver

rather than draw staright from the clacker when appraising youngsters I prefer to benchmark against their contemporaries of same draft...remind us how Gumbleton , Hanson and sellars performed in 2007 in comparrison

The other 3 were a fair way back.
Jack will be alright, he may have taken a while to get a crack, but that wasn't through lack of results at Coburg, he dominated for them when he played, kicked some bags, went well down back and showed he can seriously play in the seniors

 

[CoggaRules]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Sorry Cogga ... chasing hard does not ... and never will denote "footy brains"

Says "Trier" ... and "Big heart" ... does not mean footy brains .

Did Andy Goodwin have "Footy Brains" ??? .. he is the poster boy for what you are trying to outline .

Footy brains are being able to read the play and be able to put ones self in the best positions to get the pill , knowing what to do with it when one has the pill , knowing how to bring team-mates into the game , knowing how to curtail the opposition when they have the footy .... all qualities of possessing a "Footy Brain" .

Richo .... whilst he is acknowledged as a great Richmond man , and we all love him etc. etc ... has always lacked a true football brain ... it is why he cannot be played up the ground . Great athlete ... one of the greatest the game has ever seen , but unfortunately his bonse gets more than a little frazzled when he has the pill in his hand and he is not having a shot at goal ....

Joel Bowden ... ripping example ... great at reading and second guessing the play , but when he has the ball ??? ... raffle .

i digress anyway ... sorry cogs ... but i think you are barking up the wrong tree to say that our players have had footy smarts but lacked pace ... i would say we have suffered more from a lack of both , rather than just one of those qualities ... moreso in the "Brains" dept.

Consistently. by that i mean, 9 times out of 10. Not once a game, that stands out from the nothingness of nowhere, throughout the rest of the game, that tends to make them stand out, and have us going gaga at their "P" word.

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

The other 3 were a fair way back.

Gumbleton was drafted well before Jack was .. think it was pick 6# ... Bombers first pick

 

[Heisenberg_]

Re: Thanks Weaver

Gumbleton was drafted well before Jack was .. think it was pick 6# ... Bombers first pick

I meant performance last season Riewlodt was better then all of them IMO
He was taken at number 2 and Hansen 3

 

[IDGAF]

Re: Thanks Weaver

I meant performance last season Riewlodt was better then all of them IMO
He was taken at number 2 and Hansen 3

Sorry Cogs ... wrong end of the stick