Roast If You Don't Stand For Something...

[Woobla Stainz]

I recently saw a young aboriginal girl wearing second hand clothes wondering by a gas station, waiting for the chance to get a drop of leftover petrol with a plastic Coke bottle.

The fact I saw this, and that it's still a problem today, makes me wonder why LGBT issues receive far more coverage then the disadvantage our indigenous population face on a much larger scale.

Good point.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I voted yes.
But having said that my footy club wasn't sent a plebiscite form so for them to not come out and support a vote either way is fine by me.

 

[Jootube]

Do you think the abuse LGBT people suffer and the abuse no campaigners suffer is equal and/or has an equal effect on them emotionally and mentally?

You're squandering the moral high ground

I honestly wish people on both sides could show a little more r-e-s-p-e-c-t.

 

[barnabyjones]

Divide and conquer. All its about

 

[new breed]

Eagles and Freo do a heap for raising awareness for various charities ...Cancer research , Foodbank etc this is probably their area .

 

[QS]

Agreed, but I think this is where people look at this argument wrong.

I don't view it through the prism of people voting yes v people voting no. I view it through the LGBT community v people voting no.

They are two very different groups, with two very different wishes, and the effect the result will have is exponentially more severe either way to one group than the other.

Yes, that would be the proper construction of the 'sides', but in reality it is not. Unfortunately, the LGBT community has been represented by non-LGBT people in a manner that is quite reprehensible. The no side also have done the same thing which is the basis for my comment. A couple of friends of mine who desperately want this to happen are frightened of the vitriol created by people who mean well but have executed that intention poorly and the fallout being people voting no as a result.

 

[QS]

A second FWIW, I can understand why clubs might get behind this if that support was footy related, e.g. LGBT players who are yet to come out as such because of fear of sledging etc etc.

 

[Wet Toast Rule]

I voted yes. it makes sense.


Or maybe i didnt, and i'm just scared of being bullied by the yes campaigners... or head butted.
who knows.

i think if the government decided its worth having a plebiscide, then it is up to the public to decide what is best based on their moral code.

but i did really vote based on my own opinion - assuming this is a democracy after all.

 

[wraglesweb]

It's a voluntary survey, why you'd go to the effort of sending back an invalid form is anyone's guess.

Even better now I don't have to bother ......

 

[Ochre]

You're squandering the moral high ground

You didn't answer the question. Nobody has answered that question yet.

Take two.
Do you think the abuse LGBT people suffer and the abuse no campaigners suffer is equal and/or has an equal effect on them emotionally and mentally?

 

[QS]

I voted for Pauline Hanson. Vilify me brahs!

 

[Ochre]

Yes, that would be the proper construction of the 'sides', but in reality it is not. Unfortunately, the LGBT community has been represented by non-LGBT people in a manner that is quite reprehensible. The no side also have done the same thing which is the basis for my comment. A couple of friends of mine who desperately want this to happen are frightened of the vitriol created by people who mean well but have executed that intention poorly and the fallout being people voting no as a result.

But considering the greater effect this has on the lives of LGBT people, do you not think it's fair they would be more passionate about it?

And I'm not talking headbutting or abusing people here.

 

[Jootube]

You didn't answer the question. Nobody has answered that question yet.

Take two.
Do you think the abuse LGBT people suffer and the abuse no campaigners suffer is equal and/or has an equal effect on them emotionally and mentally?

Of course it isn't, but calling them no "campaigners" is a very easy way to swing an impressionable voter away from your cause.

You always catch more flies with honey instead of vinegar

 

[avishka5]

I voted for Pauline Hanson. Vilify me brahs!

please explain!!

 

[Ochre]

Of course it isn't, but calling them no "campaigners" is a very easy way to swing an impressionable voter away from your cause.

I mean campaigner in it's actual usage of people campaigning for the no vote. I've used the term yes campaigners in this thread too. Neither were swear filtered.

 

[WCE_phil]

How about anyone trying to push a political agenda rather than discussing football ****s off somewhere else.

 

[QS]

But considering the greater effect this has on the lives of LGBT people, do you not think it's fair they would be more passionate about it?

And I'm not talking headbutting or abusing people here.

Passion is one thing, it is quite another to denegrate people who are entitled to their views, however wrong they may seem to the majority of people.

Here is an example, there is a time when I would have voted no. Some time ago I may add, but that little admission (even after saying i voted yes) got me a barrage of neckbeard facebook abuse. As an outsider looking in who had not yet voted, that could be enough to put someone off if they couldn't care less. And couldn't care less isn't code for 'vote yes because it doesn't affect you' because people will vote on emotion, just as the LBGT community and supporters are.

 

[Yamumluvsbigcox]

Wtf does footy have to do with gay marriage ? Just like gambling , drinking and recreational drugs what players do in the personal lives is their own business .

OP is being a typical outraged lefty and blowing shit out of proportion .

I would much rather keep my football and politics seperate

 

[QS]

Of course it isn't, but calling them no "campaigners" is a very easy way to swing an impressionable voter away from your cause.

You always catch more flies with honey instead of vinegar

I was listening to nova last night in an uber and **** me, the DJ went on a diatribe about no voters with a lot less class than has been displayed here and basically told everyone who was voting no to change stations because he didnt want people like them listening to his show.

 

[Here2tellyouwhy]

I was listening to nova last night in an uber and **** me, the DJ went on a diatribe about no voters with a lot less class than has been displayed here and basically told everyone who was voting no to change stations because he didnt want people like them listening to his show.

lol Nova

 

[bh90210fan]

Eagles and Freo do a heap for raising awareness for various charities ...Cancer research , Foodbank etc this is probably their area .

Yeah if you vote 'no' for cancer research you are definitely a drop kick

 

[Jootube]

I mean campaigner in it's actual usage of people campaigning for the no vote. I've used the term yes campaigners in this thread too. Neither were swear filtered.

Apologies mate, classic miscommunication!

 

[Ochre]

How about anyone trying to push a political agenda rather than discussing football ****s off somewhere else.

This is something over half the clubs in the league have done, and something the club actively chose not to do. I think it's a valid discussion. If you disagree, read another thread.

 

[Ochre]

Apologies mate, classic miscommunication!

Yeah, in hindsight it wasn't the best phrasing to use on here.

 

[QS]

Apologies mate, classic miscommunication!

Yeah, in hindsight it wasn't the best phrasing to use on here.

This is where bigfooty's swear filter has its drawback.