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We still could of landed Ball and Jolly neither had huge contracts and also we weren't paying top dollar to all our players in 08/09 wasn't till after 2010/2011 that the cap started being extremely pressured.
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I don't know Brown personally but I think he comes across as a really genuine bloke. I'm not sure how demonstrating courage on the field could be bad for club culture. I got the impression from his interview on the Footy Show that he has a bit of regret for turning us down. He could have been a five times premiership player at two different clubs. Not many of them around.
Im a massive Brown fan, but I also get the feeling he might be contributing to the poor culture up that way. You only have to look at the way he treated Voss as coach and these guys played in 3 flags together ffs.
Im probably wrong, but something is pretty wrong up that way and brown is captain of the club...
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I think our forward structure would have been a lot better and pressure would have been taken off Trav. You can't really be very specific with these sorts of scenarios.
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Flags in 09, 10, 11 and 12. Not even joking.
Flags in 09, 10, 11 and 12. Not even joking.
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He spoke to Malthouse
Yeh still the same s**t from him.
Haha get your hand off it.
2009 we lost by 50+ to the cats.
2011 25+ to the cats. Who plays on Hawkins?
2012 who stops Jetta and Kennedy kicking 5 goals. Jon Brown glory days were over from about 06 onwards.
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While you're more than likely right in your end result, your premise for being so is wrong.
"2009 we lost to by 50+ to the cats." is the same silliness people spout about the 2003 Grand Final. "Rocca wouldn't have kicked 10 goals for you to win that game".
But with Rocca there, the margin would never have reached that point. When Rocca was there, the side played taller, they played better and with more confidence. When Rocca was there, Brisbane were genuinely worried about us. So THEY don't play with the same confidence.
People that look at a final margin and simply say "Well player X wouldn't have kicked X goals" or "Player X wouldn't have made up a X goal difference" are way too short sighted to be even talking about football.
They're also the same people who think Pendlebury's free kick last Saturday wouldn't have affected the result.
While I also understand what you are saying ever thought that with Jon Brown we might've had to left a player out in the 2010 GF. Might've missed a few shots at goal and the Saints might've won the game by a few points first time round. Brown good early and dropped away badly.
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He could have done a knee in his debut too.
But I think in these hypothetical situations, most generally "add-on" that player to an existing scenario without much thought for forgotten realities (whose spot does he take? what happens to gameplan? etc.)
So saying we'd won 4 flags with him is as ludcirus as saying we might not have won the one we did actually manage to win.
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If...we had won the 2011 flag, then we would have equal number* of flags as Carltank.
*Take away the cheating and we would be in front.
*Take away the cheating and we would be in front.
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If....the ball bounced straight for Tip Rat Milne in 2010 GF, I would still be in the big house today for things I may or may not have done 
Nah we might have traded Dawes who kicked a few goals in the GF and Brown might've hit the post and lost us the game..If....the ball bounced straight for Tip Rat Milne in 2010 GF, I would still be in the big house today for things I may or may not have done
If you had to leave one Premiership out to make Brown one who would it be? Which player would you take the medal away from. That's one way of looking at it.
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This comment got me thinking, I really despise mick Malthouse, I've been very critical of him the past few years, even while he was still at the club. But I'll never forget the harsh words he had to Stephen Milne that day, still makes me laugh. He has my respect for that regardless of the 2011 fiasco and joining the scum. And you know what if Milne had kicked that goal I would've jumped the fence and pile driven that little weasel's head in the ground.If....the ball bounced straight for Tip Rat Milne in 2010 GF, I would still be in the big house today for things I may or may not have done
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Not too sure it would've worked out all that well for us as Brown was already well past his best.
I think we could've won in 10-11-12 if we had used pick 14 in the 07 draft on Harry Taylor instead of trading it for Wood.
Not sure if that's who we would have picked up but it's a nice hypothetical.
Geelong without Taylor probably wouldn't have gotten over us in '11 and with him playing for us we'd have a deadly combination of swing men and the leagues best fwd and back lines.
Well that's how it pans out in my fantasy anyway...
I think we could've won in 10-11-12 if we had used pick 14 in the 07 draft on Harry Taylor instead of trading it for Wood.
Not sure if that's who we would have picked up but it's a nice hypothetical.
Geelong without Taylor probably wouldn't have gotten over us in '11 and with him playing for us we'd have a deadly combination of swing men and the leagues best fwd and back lines.
Well that's how it pans out in my fantasy anyway...
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Didn't know knee injuries could spread.There is no put in doing what ifs. So many things would have changed had this happened that we may not have actually won 2010; it could have set us back more like Carlton and Judd. Trav may not have developed as well as he did & we might not have drafted Ben Reid or Nathan Brown. No point looking backwards, I'm happy with how overall everything turned out. (Except Jolly & Reid playing in the 2011 GF, that will piss me off for a long, long time)
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