Is Shannon Cox a certain starter RD 1??

[ozzyoslo]

I seen the lad a little now in the nab cup and thought he would be a walk up start but after reading other peoples thoughts now I'm not too sure. can any of you people here fill me in on your thoughts.

cheers ozzyoslo

 

[Pedro]

I don't think anyone really knows. Personally, I'd like to think so. If he plays, I think he's a SC option, but I'm reluctant to put him in because he's one of those blokes who hasn't been able to get regular game time. Only 4 games last year. He definately good enough imo, so hopefully this is the year he cements a place in the side.

 

[Godfrey Jones]

yeh i definetly think cox offers something, why cant he play midfield - why is he being tried as a defender/? the guys like another pendlebury, seems to part the sea in traffic, matrix style.. a little more awkward than smooth scotty but he pulls it off

 

[ozzyoslo]

I have to admit I'm a fan...........he would start at nth I would imagine. just is at that height that has him as a swing man.

olden day utility I guess.....I will be watching him closely this week

 

[RRRooocccaaa]

I'm happy him being an almost full-time starter. His run (or casual jog!) out of the back pocket is always unruffled, he takes on and shrugs off opponents and he's tidy enough with the footy - 95% disposal accuracy against the 'Dons thank you very much!

Big fan of players who have vision past their immediate 10m diameter - he has it and remains cool under pressure. I know Coxie and Goldsack are pretty much competing for the same position but it would be worth him getting closer to 15 matches under his belt this year and playing on some bulkier opponents to see how he much contested footy he can get.

He managed to survive Brain-snap Hall last year

 

[FIGJAM]

Easily!

But as pointed out, not everyone thinks so and I suspect the coach is borderline. Cox needs to have quality game after quality game to get a gernse over the likes of Cook and Tooves. Remembering that Coxie only got his 'break' last year as a result of Geebung-Gate and Malthouse had no other choice but to play him (and he had some quality games).

Blokes like Coxie and Wellers face an uphill battle with MM. They should both make it, but the path won't be made as easy as others.

 

[Kirby]

Yeah, on exposed form in the pre-season games and his good form at the end of last year you would think he would be real stiff to miss out. A shit one against the Cats though could cost him.

 

[ant22]

I think he might struggle. People suggest him as a mid but lets face it he would be behind swan, pendles, obree, thomas, didak, leon, lockyer, beams,probably cook and sidebottom. McCarthy would most likely be ahead. Granted some of these guys rotate into other positions but they have all proved they can be ball winners in the middle whereas cox had not. He likes space and running off the wings/half back and there is alot of competion from those lines. H shaw and clarke seem to have the running backs sewed up and now thomas is getting a bit of a run there. If he wanted to use his height and be more of a tall defender he is behind Maxwell, Obrien(who both provide a bit of run as well) and probably Goldsack as well. He possible has the talent to be tried as a forward but we have a wealth of options ahead of him.

At best he will we picked as the 21st/22nd player and will need to string together some pretty good footy to keep his spot. I see him as a better replacement for r shaw than corrie but even rhyce struggled to hold his spot. Then there is also ben johnson to consider him his first 2 nab cup round form holds up.

I don't see it has coaches not liking him, he just happens to be at a club where there are plenty of players who can play his role really well. If he was a ball winning mid with his skills he would be a walk up start but he is not. He has the talent to make it but maybe its just not at Collingwood.

 

[smiddaz123]

I think he should be.

He can play in defence, on the wing or up forward. Versitile and his evasiveness, skills and creativity are all top 5 attributes at the club arguably. His sidestep is very under rated, and he seems to have got some intrensity into his game over the off season as well.

The impression I get from Cox is if he doesn't get selected he might start feeling a bit sorry for himself and sulk a bit. It's unfair for me to claim he IS like that, he could very well be a resillient character and have plenty of mental resolve, but I personally get the impression he doesn't react well to not being given a chance.

I hope he's in the side in round 1, he has plenty to offer the team.

 

[wicksy]

I think he might struggle. People suggest him as a mid but lets face it he would be behind swan, pendles, obree, thomas, didak, leon, lockyer, beams,probably cook and sidebottom. McCarthy would most likely be ahead. Granted some of these guys rotate into other positions but they have all proved they can be ball winners in the middle whereas cox had not. He likes space and running off the wings/half back and there is alot of competion from those lines. H shaw and clarke seem to have the running backs sewed up and now thomas is getting a bit of a run there. If he wanted to use his height and be more of a tall defender he is behind Maxwell, Obrien(who both provide a bit of run as well) and probably Goldsack as well. He possible has the talent to be tried as a forward but we have a wealth of options ahead of him.

At best he will we picked as the 21st/22nd player and will need to string together some pretty good footy to keep his spot. I see him as a better replacement for r shaw than corrie but even rhyce struggled to hold his spot. Then there is also ben johnson to consider him his first 2 nab cup round form holds up.

I don't see it has coaches not liking him, he just happens to be at a club where there are plenty of players who can play his role really well. If he was a ball winning mid with his skills he would be a walk up start but he is not. He has the talent to make it but maybe its just not at Collingwood.

I disagree completely!!
While, I don't think he could become a permanent mid, he provides brilliant run and carry out of the backline as shown in the first 3 NAB cup games. You are crazy if you think he is behind Goldsack in the running for the 3rd man in the backline and in my opinion, he is much more skillfull than Maxwell.

If we brought in Johnson for him, then the club would be going backwards.
I was not always a fan of Cox because of his timidness around the ball but it seems he has worked on that and by looking at his first 3 games, he should be in the first 10-15 picked each week.

 

[wicksy]

I think he should be.

He can play in defence, on the wing or up forward. Versitile and his evasiveness, skills and creativity are all top 5 attributes at the club arguably. His sidestep is very under rated, and he seems to have got some intrensity into his game over the off season as well.

The impression I get from Cox is if he doesn't get selected he might start feeling a bit sorry for himself and sulk a bit. It's unfair for me to claim he IS like that, he could very well be a resillient character and have plenty of mental resolve, but I personally get the impression he doesn't react well to not being given a chance.

I hope he's in the side in round 1, he has plenty to offer the team.

I get the same feeling although I kind of understand.... He seems to have had to work a lot harder than others to get a consistent game. I think this year will be his year though and he will go on to become a 200+ player with the pies. (Optimistic??? NAHHH)

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

No he's not a certain starter. We have to cull the NAB Cup list by 6 and we have to find room across half back for Maxwell Toovey O'Brien Goldsack and Cox. They cant all get a game.

Its a really good problem to have. We have a lot of good problems like that - shame its only March because things change quickly in a season.

 

[Trojan82]

Unless he has a shocker tomorrow night he will play Round 1. Not many other players take on the man and win like he has been this year out of the backline. I would put money on him playing round 1 and consolidating his position as a player who breaks lines through the backline.

He has the added benefit of being one of the only players who seem to look to the centre corridor when rebounding out of the 50, either by hand or foot. I really rate Cox and I think he'll play 20+ games this year.

He is not as evasive as Pendles as someone said but he breaks tackles, takes on the man, its a pretty rare skill and a highly regarded one.

 

[mdc]

I think he might struggle. People suggest him as a mid but lets face it he would be behind swan, pendles, obree, thomas, didak, leon, lockyer, beams,probably cook and sidebottom. McCarthy would most likely be ahead. Granted some of these guys rotate into other positions but they have all proved they can be ball winners in the middle whereas cox had not. He likes space and running off the wings/half back and there is alot of competion from those lines. H shaw and clarke seem to have the running backs sewed up and now thomas is getting a bit of a run there. If he wanted to use his height and be more of a tall defender he is behind Maxwell, Obrien(who both provide a bit of run as well) and probably Goldsack as well. He possible has the talent to be tried as a forward but we have a wealth of options ahead of him.

Ludicrous statement. Thomas has proven he's a ball-winner? Lockyer was a ball-winner in 2008? Cook?

I also find "he likes space" very strange. What he likes, it seems, is creating space where none exists. A very useful quality. Plus his skills are in the top handful at the club.

At best he will we picked as the 21st/22nd player and will need to string together some pretty good footy to keep his spot. I see him as a better replacement for r shaw than corrie but even rhyce struggled to hold his spot. Then there is also ben johnson to consider him his first 2 nab cup round form holds up.

Rhyce "struggled" to keep his spot because he couldn't kick and made shit decisions. You know, the opposite of Cox.

As for Ben Johnson, he played one good game, and one god-awful game in the NAB cup. He's got no form to speak of.

 

[Palmer Stoat]

I think he should play. Judging from the NAB Cup and the training I've seen this year, he's been earmarked for a spot in defence. It's pretty crowded down there, so I guess it's not a foregone conclusion that he'll get a game. (If we're set on playing Heater and Marty as our two small defenders, then Cox's fate will be interesting.) But IMO he should be on the bench at worst -- he's probably been our best player in the NAB Cup so far. The way footy has been played this preseason suits Cox's skillset, I reckon.

 

[daics cousin]

Cox is a lot better than a lot of people think.
If the guy is played regularly we'll all see his worth.He is better than a few players getting a game at the moment i reckon.
Better decision maker than johnson,toovey, cook and afew others.
I would easily place him ahead of the guys i have mentioned.

 

[well left]

I think he should be. As mdc stated his skills are in the top handful at the club and I think he is going to be used of a back flank accordingly. I'm hoping Shaw is used as more of a lockdown defender and Cox is given the licence to run off half-back where he can use his skills and willingness to back himself to either break through the zone or pinpoint a pass through it.

If we have identified correctly that the rest of the competition will follow Hawthorn and their cluster then we need to have highly skilled players coming out of defense to counter that and Cox is one we should be using.

 

[carringbush!!!]

I could not agree more MDC .If Maxwell was not the captain his spot would be in danger.

 

[shawthing09]

I have been a Cox doubted on 2 accounts. One a lack of intensity, it's all good and well to be laconic but I felt he had a tendency to short step a contest or make token efforts. The second being the fact that he has been used as a defender and has about as much accountability as the common thieft in the night.

Over the Nab cup his been given a role similar to Heath's last year and has played it to great affect. As MDC stated his ability to create space and run out of the rebound as opposed to just bombing it, or chipping it to the wing has been first class and is a great asset. For mine he ticks all the boxes. His the right man based on team balance, his got the class and skill he has the runs on the board in the nab cup and the end of last year. I think it should be his spot to use. As FIGJAM suggests it tends to be easier for some then it is for others and Cox is certainly not a player in the mould Malthouse likes, I'd suggest it is that laconic manner that hurts him in that regard.

 

[wicksy]

I think he should be. As mdc stated his skills are in the top handful at the club and I think he is going to be used of a back flank accordingly. I'm hoping Shaw is used as more of a lockdown defender and Cox is given the licence to run off half-back where he can use his skills and willingness to back himself to either break through the zone or pinpoint a pass through it.

If we have identified correctly that the rest of the competition will follow Hawthorn and their cluster then we need to have highly skilled players coming out of defense to counter that and Cox is one we should be using.

In my opinion, Cox has nearly jumped ahead of Shaw as a rebounding backman and he is definitely better than Goldsack (as a rebounder).

His skills are far superior to both of the players I've just mentioned and could be used as a wingman as well.

If Malthouse doesn't include him for Round 1, then Malthouse should be dropped as he would clearly be showing pregidous against him.

 

[Trojan82]

In my opinion, Cox has nearly jumped ahead of Shaw as a rebounding backman

Fail.

 

[mdc]

Fail.

I'm going to side with wicksy. I know everyone's very touchy about H.Shaw around here, but from a purely offensive standpoint, Cox is ahead.

Shaw's still a terrific small defender though, and should be used in that role.

 

[shawthing09]

I'm going to side with wicksy. I know everyone's very touchy about H.Shaw around here, but from a purely offensive standpoint, Cox is ahead.

Shaw's still a terrific small defender though, and should be used in that role.

Agreed actually. For the simple fact that Cox has a good ability to find and create space. Cox also nudges ahead in the rebound point because his disposal and decision making in general is better. His not prone to H Shaw brain fade bombs. Not comparing the two as players in general. Heaths defensive ability and ability and willingness to be 3rd man up, physicality etc are all much better then Cox's but in terms of rebound alone Cox is ahead.

 

[Optimax]

I could not agree more MDC .If Maxwell was not the captain his spot would be in danger.

Fail

Differnt roles

Maxwell proviodes alot mor defensive cover and the 1%er side of things. Cox may look better running our bur maxwell would still play ahead of him

 

[Trojan82]

I'm going to side with wicksy. I know everyone's very touchy about H.Shaw around here, but from a purely offensive standpoint, Cox is ahead.

Shaw's still a terrific small defender though, and should be used in that role.

Don't get me wrong I highly rate Cox and as I said I expect him to play 20+ Games this year. But he has played about 12 games in his career...

Heater is coming into his 4th full season and has proven himself time and again. He will not lose his place in the 22 to Coxy this year (I know you didn't say he would). Cox has played arguably 1 great game for the pies (Last year against Freo), when Shaw plays a great game for us he can win games. I dont think Coxy can do that.