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This conversation wasn't about the practicalities of it, but the benefits.
As others have established, only for Jews.
So?
So…? So you have countries with dodgy regimes that need this/ like this.
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This conversation wasn't about the practicalities of it, but the benefits.
As others have established, only for Jews.
So?
Dunno.
DoDid they have the infrastructure to hold elections in Gaza?
How is that trolling, just engage in the debate in good faith. How is talking about Palestinian deaths just trying to get an emotive reaction? Do they not matter? Just cost of war?
In the world of international relations morals don’t get you anywhereIraq? After Vietnam, for f*ck's sake. After US-trained death squads were raping nuns and slaughtering villagers all through Central America in the 1980's, and even before that. Pinochet of Chile. The Somozas of Nicaragua. Concurrent with Vietnam was Suharto of Indonesia, he who killed millions all US-sanctioned.
That nation has been morally bankrupt for a VERY long time. Australia has been morally bankrupt by association for a very long time too, eager as we are to follow unquestioningly in the military 'adventures' of our masters the United States and before that the British Empire.
I think this needs to change.
Whose leader nobbles his courts, probably to interfere with the probes into his own corruption? That “democracy?”Heading off into fantasy land over some impossible scheme for what ?
Israel is a free democratic country.
And basically the whole Middle East isn’t ….
Hamas ticked all the boxes October 7.
Israel sees an existential threat based on what Hamas did October 7.
Here we go again, this is why I checked out last time.
Again, that's fine, but let's own it and say that, for political reasons at least, we are happy to support our ally who is tipping billions of dollars into the mass killing of civilians.Other than the fact it would be political suicide, yeah sure
Peter Dutton would self-ferment into the purest vodka in history
I daresay the Israeli retaliation poses more of an existential threat to Palestine than anything that happened on or before October 7th.Israel sees an existential threat based on what Hamas did October 7.
Being challenged on some pretty one-sided views of the situation?
You might be anti-war, but gee whiz you're parroting some pretty hardcore pro-Zionist talking points along the way.
I daresay the Israeli retaliation poses more of an existential threat to Palestine than anything that happened on or before October 7th.
It's obviously not true. They got a lot further than they thought they would, went to the first settlements took hostages and fled back to Gaza. As soon as the helicopters and other reinforcements arrived, they turned and fled.Owen you know I respect your point of view, except this one's a bit off.
Is calling the Hamas attack a genocide, really a hardcore pro-Zionist talking point? Or is it true?
More specifically, a threat to all those living and working in (mostly Palestinians) the Israeli controlled occupied Palestinian territories.I daresay the Israeli retaliation poses more of an existential threat to Palestine than anything that happened on or before October 7th.
It's obviously not true. They got a lot further than they thought they would, went to the first settlements took hostages and fled back to Gaza. As soon as the helicopters and other reinforcements arrived, they turned and fled.
They weren't trying to wipe out a race of people and they didn't have the weaponry to blow up infrastructure, they were there to kill people and take hostages. Commit an act of terror to let Israel know that they were still resisting the occupation. It was a racist-driven terror attack, but they lacked the ability to commit genocide (doesn't mean I think they wouldn't if they could).
But it appears to me that Israel have the means and are actually trying to do it.
Committing an actual act of genocide to prevent an impossible genocide is not a defensible moral position.
Owen you know I respect your point of view, except this one's a bit off.
Is calling the Hamas attack a genocide, really a hardcore pro-Zionist talking point? Or is it true?
So the USA committed genocide at the end of WW2 in Japan, with the dropping of two A-bombs?Article II In the present Convention, genocide means any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such:
(a) Killing members of the group;
(b) Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group;
(c) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part;
(d) Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group;
(e) Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.
Article III The following acts shall be punishable:
(a) Genocide;
(b) Conspiracy to commit genocide;
(c) Direct and public incitement to commit genocide;