Jacinta Allan - Leading a zombie government

[Jane Doe]

Jacinta Allen demonstrating yet again what an insipid leader she is. When asked whether she endorsed the VIC ALP social media post about Dutton’s wife she declined to comment. Albo to his credit ordered the post to be deleted.

Could you imagine the outrage on this forum if the Libs had done this. Crickets on here about this.

 

[Gough]

Peter Dutton likes to bully women. It's not exactly Dylan goes electric.

 

[CM86]

Could you imagine the outrage on this forum if the Libs had done this. Crickets on here about this.

Isn't that the SOP for Libs?

When asked you reply with "I haven't seen it so I won't be able to comment on it".
Even if it's literally just been shown to them.
Sometimes they even use the "Well all I have seen is what you've shown me, and not the context around it so I can't comment".

It's happened for so long and so often, I don't know if it's even mentioned anymore when the Coalition do it.
And you'd be first in line to defend them when they do.

 

[CM86]

Peter Dutton likes to bully women. It's not exactly Dylan goes electric.

What was the post, and what's the argument for it being so outrageous in the current political climate?

 

[Sttew]

Isn't that the SOP for Libs?

When asked you reply with "I haven't seen it so I won't be able to comment on it".
Even if it's literally just been shown to them.
Sometimes they even use the "Well all I have seen is what you've shown me, and not the context around it so I can't comment".

It's happened for so long and so often, I don't know if it's even mentioned anymore when the Coalition do it.
And you'd be first in line to defend them when they do.

It is pathetic leadership by the premier of Victoria. Don’t try and deflect and rationalise it.

 

[CM86]

It is pathetic leadership by the premier of Victoria. Don’t try and deflect it rationalise.

It is.

I'm not defending or rationalising it.

I haven't even seen the post, and I'm saying she should own a position on it.

Can you share the offending post, and explain why it stands out to you, over any other political posts/statements made by actual leaders and representatives?

 

[CM86]

This is off topic, so I fully expect it to be handwaved or called whataboutism.
But in regards to the levels of what should or should not be condemned, I'd like to see what some member of the Vic ALP social media team posted, that needs national condemnation. In comparison to this post made by the FEDERAL DEPUTY OPPOSITION LEADER Sussan Ley...

https://www.sbs.com.au/news/article...lice-dropping-sexual-assault-charge/l9c4sfwh8

The tweet came after the Coalition raised in Question Time yesterday allegations that a man released from immigration detention following a major High Court ruling had stalked and sexually assaulted a woman.​

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Police have since retracted charges against the man.​

 

[Sttew]

It is.

I'm not defending or rationalising it.

I haven't even seen the post, and I'm saying she should own a position on it.

Can you share the offending post, and explain why it stands out to you, over any other political posts/statements made by actual leaders and representatives?

It’s been deleted now but it was a photo of Dutton and his wife and the caption read “Justifying dating your new partner to your friend’s who don’t like him” with Sutton’s wife saying. “He is not a monster”.

And owning a position on it is what I was on about. Allen did the same with the CFMEU expose and the synagogue fire bombing. Waited days before saying anything like she needs her spin doctors to write the script.

 

[CM86]

It’s been deleted now but it was a photo of Dutton and his wife and the caption read “Justifying dating your new partner to your friend’s who don’t like him” with Sutton’s wife saying. “He is not a monster”.

And owning a position on it is what I was on about. Allen did the same with the CFMEU expose and the synagogue fire bombing. Waited days before saying anything like she needs her spin doctors to write the script.

You're kidding?

This image that has been doing the rounds since 2019, when Dutton's wife was reported to have stated that???





This post below was the step too far in media discourse?
This is what Albo told them to remove?
This is what you're saying Allen needs to engage with and respond to??





No one is actually upset or offended by this post.
It is pure virtue signaling.
It is pathetic for Albo to have engaged with this at all, let alone demand it be removed.

FFS.
If you claim this upsets you or is beyond reproach, you're lying. And you know you're lying.

 

[CM86]

And owning a position on it is what I was on about. Allen did the same with the CFMEU expose and the synagogue fire bombing. Waited days before saying anything like she needs her spin doctors to write the script.

She shouldn't.
And 'progressive' sided politicians shouldn't.
Because there is no response they can give that is ever accepted or 'right'. It is always the wrong response.
So they should just be honest, rather than trying to placate.


Like Albo. He should have told any reporter asking him about this post, to **** off until they learn what journalism is.

 

[peetoo]

When engaging in whattaboutism, don’t sweat the small stuff

Government launches crackdown on 'criminals' exploiting visa system

The federal government says criminals have been allowed to exploit Australia's visa system for human trafficking and other organised crime, as it announces a boost in compliance officers and new rules for migration agents.

www.abc.net.au

Ms O'Neil blamed the previous government for a deterioration in immigration compliance, which she said allowed the system to be used to "perpetrate some of the worst crimes known to humanity".

"One of the great frauds that's been perpetrated in Australian politics is Peter Dutton presenting himself as the tough guy who kept our border secure and our nations safe," the home affairs minister said.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton returned fire, describing Ms O'Neil as "angry" and "aggressive".

 

[CM86]

The simple thing she could have said is that the families of MP’s are off limits.

It doesn’t faze me. What fazed me is that Jacinta Allen could not condemn the synagogue fire bombing when it happened (not days later), and she could not say the families of MP’s are off limits. That is poor leadership. She is more concerned about her personal popularity.

And let’s not lose sight of the fact it was the Victorian branch of the ALP that posted the piece. Allan’s conspicuous silence implies she was complicit ! I’m sure she wasn’t but…

Sorry, at what point did we agree that families of MP's are off limits?

Was it when we were talking about Albo's sons internship?
Or Dan's wife?
Or Tanya Plibersek's husband?
Or Tanya Plibersek's son?
Or Gillard's partner?
Or Shorten's partner?
Or Albo's partner?
Or Penny Wong's sexual orientation with her partner?

When did we agree that families of MP's are off limits?


And you think that post is worse than any of these other attacks?

 

[Del203211]

Jacinta Allen demonstrating yet again what an insipid leader she is. When asked whether she endorsed the VIC ALP social media post about Dutton’s wife she declined to comment. Albo to his credit ordered the post to be deleted.

I don’t really give a rats ass about Allen’s thoughts, but the post is just incredibly strange and pathetic. But sums up the state of politics right now.
Well done to Albo for being the bigger man.
May as well shrug shoulders and move on.

 

[CM86]

 

[Del203211]

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He’s such a moron.

 

[CM86]

He’s such a moron.

Leave his wife alone!!!

 

[spinynorman]

I don’t really give a rats ass about Allen’s thoughts, but the post is just incredibly strange and pathetic. But sums up the state of politics right now.
Well done to Albo for being the bigger man.
May as well shrug shoulders and move on.

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I think the ALP’s social media presence is generally pretty ****ing abysmal (Crikey did a rundown of some of their awful “who is this for?” posting of the last year).

I don’t think this post is anything close to brilliant but I don’t see how this is off limits. She went public making comment about her husband, a political figure. It can therefore be engaged with by opponents. What’s with the preciousness here?

 

[Del203211]

I think the ALP’s social media presence is generally pretty ****ing abysmal (Crikey did a rundown of some of their awful “who is this for?” posting of the last year).

I don’t think this post is anything close to brilliant but I don’t see how this is off limits. She went public making comment about her husband, a political figure. It can therefore be engaged with by opponents. What’s with the preciousness here?

I take zero offence to it. I just find it laughable.
Considering the issues we are facing at present, the best they can dig up is
“we all know that one couple (Eyeroll)”.

 

[Gralin]

I do love the confected outrage from the usual suspects.

Shit comms from Labor, a politican getting asked a gotcha and not giving a response

There are so many legit issues to be talking about but that's too hard so just flap your gums and wring your hands about politeness politics

 

[kalex6251]

would love a journo to tackle him on the rising sea levels 'joke' caught on audio a few years:

• what do you mean when you say this was a 'private conversation'? ..... how/why does this excuse your comments?
• what was the joke dynamic? ..... why is it funny? ...... do you often laugh at the misfortune of others in private?
• are you two-faced? ...... who is the real peter dutton?

hammer him on it and watch him go ballistic

 

[peetoo]

I do love the confected outrage from the usual suspects.

Shit comms from Labor, a politican getting asked a gotcha and not giving a response

There are so many legit issues to be talking about but that's too hard so just flap your gums and wring your hands about politeness politics

She should have just said Dutton is ‘an angry person’ works for him

 

[Sttew]

I do love the confected outrage from the usual suspects.

Shit comms from Labor, a politican getting asked a gotcha and not giving a response

There are so many legit issues to be talking about but that's too hard so just flap your gums and wring your hands about politeness politics

Why am I never surprised by your posts?

What’s the “gotcha” moment?

A VIC ALP post is pulled down by the PM. The Premier of VIC is asked whether she endorsed the post and refuses to say anything. She is the head of the ALP in Victoria isn’t she? That is poor leadership in my eyes but clearly not in yours.

There would be discussion if she had been a leader.

 

[Gralin]

Why am I never surprised by your posts?

What’s the “gotcha” moment?

A VIC ALP post is pulled down by the PM. The Premier of VIC is asked whether she endorsed the post and refuses to say anything. She is the head of the ALP in Victoria isn’t she? That is poor leadership in my eyes but clearly not in yours.

There would be discussion if she had been a leader.

I don't really give a shit about it.

It's not a real issue

I have zero respect for Labor or the Coalition

while they make jokes at each others expense and the media runs with it like it's real news nobody pays attention to actual issues

It's such a waste of time and energy and it's completely irrelevant

It has no impact on my life other than reading you get all preachy about it

 

[peetoo]

Why am I never surprised by your posts?

What’s the “gotcha” moment?

A VIC ALP post is pulled down by the PM. The Premier of VIC is asked whether she endorsed the post and refuses to say anything. She is the head of the ALP in Victoria isn’t she? That is poor leadership in my eyes but clearly not in yours.

There would be discussion if she had been a leader.

Is Battin the leader of the LNP in Victoria?

 

[treeebeard]

When engaging in whattaboutism, don’t sweat the small stuff

Government launches crackdown on 'criminals' exploiting visa system

The federal government says criminals have been allowed to exploit Australia's visa system for human trafficking and other organised crime, as it announces a boost in compliance officers and new rules for migration agents.

www.abc.net.au

Ms O'Neil blamed the previous government for a deterioration in immigration compliance, which she said allowed the system to be used to "perpetrate some of the worst crimes known to humanity".

"One of the great frauds that's been perpetrated in Australian politics is Peter Dutton presenting himself as the tough guy who kept our border secure and our nations safe," the home affairs minister said.

Opposition Leader Peter Dutton returned fire, describing Ms O'Neil as "angry" and "aggressive".

True, true. The AG noted that Duttons home affairs was failing on multiple accounts