Recommitted Jacob Hopper [re-signed]

[Smalls0304]

Possibly - but I'm leaning towards the other hypothetical - I am expecting them to go after more well spread first round draft presence than chuck all in for one top pick this year.

Previously GWS had excess spots to play with and they could gamble easily by throwing away multiple picks to get to top end of draft. Another way to look at it - they could stack one additional KPP, one utility, one inside mid etc and keep hedging due to extra spots.

Now - they have 40 and if they delist 3 + trade 3-4, drafting "multiple players from first round" rather than "one player from top 3" would spread the list talent better. This is similar to GC going after 4/6/8/10 in last draft.

Hopper for first rounder this year and another club offering 2018 first rounder for kennedy will be a far more attractive deal for GWS.

You have to consider opportunity though. At GC the 4,6,8 & 10 have alot more chance in getting games. Kids will always look for more opportunity if they are sitting in the ressies, particularly if they are a first round pick and could be playing AFL at other clubs. Pick 2-3 has alot better chance of cementing a spot in the side and remaining happy. Picks 14-18 could find it hard to break into the GWS line-up and hold a spot. Then you get the situation of kids leaving after a couple of years for unders. I personally wouldn't give up 2-3 for Kennedy & Hopper. Would rather try and acquire Hopper with the Gibbs pick* and take our pick to the draft. I just think the lower pick is the better option for GWS

 

[PhatHQ]

i would throw 500k a year at him & sign him up for 3.

The guy will be a gun IMO & exactly what the Hawks need.

...Whitfield as well 5-600k for the same.

 

[Foucault1989]

i would throw 500k a year at him & sign him up for 3.

The guy will be a gun IMO & exactly what the Hawks need.

...Whitfield as well 5-600k for the same.

I have a feeling Hawthorn might not have the currency to trade for Hopper or any other young guns for that matter.

 

[Bokonon_]

You have to consider opportunity though. At GC the 4,6,8 & 10 have alot more chance in getting games. Kids will always look for more opportunity if they are sitting in the ressies, particularly if they are a first round pick and could be playing AFL at other clubs. Pick 2-3 has alot better chance of cementing a spot in the side and remaining happy. Picks 14-18 could find it hard to break into the GWS line-up and hold a spot. Then you get the situation of kids leaving after a couple of years for unders. I personally wouldn't give up 2-3 for Kennedy & Hopper. Would rather try and acquire Hopper with the Gibbs pick* and take our pick to the draft. I just think the lower pick is the better option for GWS

He came through the academy has been well known to the club for a long time. The notional pick he went for isn't the issue. Leon's very upfront with these things and it's clear he features prominently in our future plans. Some very promising youngstets do fall by the wayside it's true. Until he's fully fit and not making our best 22, which hasn't happened since he broke into the side, speculation he would leave for opportunity is fanciful though.

 

[PhatHQ]

I have a feeling Hawthorn might not have the currency to trade for Hopper or any other young guns for that matter.

I have said in a couple of other threads when asked that we have plenty to deal if the club was bold.

I think that with a 2018 first & the capacity to trade anyone on the list over 26 is a pretty solid base to land both players.
GWS doesn't necessarily need or want any Hawks players but 3 way trading would give us plenty of leverage to get the two guys mentioned & still snag a free agen... eg Rocky

After last nights game against port, it only reinforced my belief that everyone is on the trade table that are over 26.

 

[Pykie]

Brett Anderson and Nick Bowen have both said North are pretty keen, especially if one of Martin or Kelly re-sign.

Both seem to think he's coming back to Melbourne.

Brett Anderson said that Carlton, Essendon and North are the ones in the running for him.

 

[Foucault1989]

I have said in a couple of other threads when asked that we have plenty to deal if the club was bold.

I think that with a 2018 first & the capacity to trade anyone on the list over 26 is a pretty solid base to land both players.
GWS doesn't necessarily need or want any Hawks players but 3 way trading would give us plenty of leverage to get the two guys mentioned & still snag a free agen... eg Rocky

After last nights game against port, it only reinforced my belief that everyone is on the trade table that are over 26.

Which players do you think actually have currency? I see Rioli, Gunston, Sicily, Smith and shiel as players that might get you a first or second. Any others?

 

[IanW]

Which players do you think actually have currency? I see Rioli, Gunston, Sicily, Smith and shiel as players that might get you a first or second. Any others?

Yep. The Hawks list doesn't have a lot of value in it.

 

[the rooboy]

Hawks have nothing to trade and can't trade next years 1st because you have done that 2 years straight and rules will not allow it. Gunston is the only player of worth that will get you a first and Cyril won't go he's on a long term deal. Hawks will have to feel the pin of rebuilding for a long while but should be happy because they where good for so long.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Perfect fit for us at Essendon. Need an inside bull badly..

Hope we pursue him hard if he was to leave GWS.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Hawks have nothing to trade and can't trade next years 1st because you have done that 2 years straight and rules will not allow it.

Incorrect.

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/sport/...9/news-story/62ac5fa26bb74712ec0a6e84e2e92888

 

[PhatHQ]

Yep. The Hawks list doesn't have a lot of value in it.

Which players do you think actually have currency? I see Rioli, Gunston, Sicily, Smith and shiel as players that might get you a first or second. Any others?

Not to GWS but players like Stratts, Birch, Poppy, Dureya, Smith, Sicily, Shoey, Shiels, Langford, Breust & Heatherly are all names that some team would look at for a role player &/or a good fit for there immediate need for a premiership run over the next couple of years.

I think that the only older players off the trade table unless there is a ridiculously good offer are Roughy, Gunners & Cyril... I would not say it isn't possible after last season though.

We need a bull mid, I like Hopper... others like Rocky, Fyfe ect.
We need another runner like Whitfield after Hill left.
We need a key defender.

That is only 3 players if need & 11 on offer to acquire them.
2018 first Rd pick... 6-10.

I think we have plenty of value to get all 3 positions of need & can replace all players listed with younger players on our list coming into their prime together similar to GWS & have an average age of around 24 with a sprinkle of experience to level the group.

 

[PhatHQ]

Incorrect.

http://www.cairnspost.com.au/sport/...9/news-story/62ac5fa26bb74712ec0a6e84e2e92888

Cheers

 

[Foucault1989]

Not to GWS but players like Stratts, Birch, Poppy, Dureya, Smith, Sicily, Shoey, Shiels, Langford, Breust & Heatherly are all names that some team would look at for a role player &/or a good fit for there immediate need for a premiership run over the next couple of years.

I think that the only older players off the trade table unless there is a ridiculously good offer are Roughy, Gunners & Cyril... I would not say it isn't possible after last season though.

We need a bull mid, I like Hopper... others like Rocky, Fyfe ect.
We need another runner like Whitfield after Hill left.
We need a key defender.

That is only 3 players if need & 11 on offer to acquire them.
2018 first Rd pick... 6-10.

I think we have plenty of value to get all 3 positions of need & can replace all players listed with younger players on our list coming into their prime together similar to GWS & have an average age of around 24 with a sprinkle of experience to level the group.

Hmmmm you might struggle to attract much interest. Smith would be good in a good side. Perhaps early - second. Langford nothing. Breaust might get interest from a good team. Stratton...nah...3rd rounder at best. Schoey...hahaha no thanks. Birchell...good footballer but is he still worth a high pick. Lots of good halfback the comp. Poppy...eh why tho? Duryea...hmmmm nah. Heatherly...Who? Hartung...3rd rounder. Look I think they are all good players but a developing team with cash to splash and draft picks is to invest will not have any interest in any of those players. I'm sorry to say it but Hawthorn are busted. Things are going down before they come back up. You had a Good run. Time to for others to have their time in the sun

 

[Turbocat]

Hawks have nothing to trade and can't trade next years 1st because you have done that 2 years straight and rules will not allow it. Gunston is the only player of worth that will get you a first and Cyril won't go he's on a long term deal. Hawks will have to feel the pin of rebuilding for a long while but should be happy because they where good for so long.

Fallacy. The "rules" say nothing about that.

 

[kreglze]

Would like the Suns to have a look at Hopper if he was assessing his options, we bid on him a few years ago before GWS matched it, meaning we must have had some interest there. A little bit more steel in the midfield will be welcome with the likely exit of one GAJ.

 

[Scotland]

What's the point of academy players if they end up leaving NSW/Qld?

 

[aussierulesrules]

What's the point of academy players if they end up leaving NSW/Qld?

The point is getting them into the AFL system rather than losing them to other sports or professions.

 

[Scotland]

The point is getting them into the AFL system rather than losing them to other sports or professions.

Whenever that is proposed (i.e. priority access to NSW/Qld clubs is removed) fans of those clubs get very narky. "They" fund them and all.

 

[Colonial]

Whenever that is proposed (i.e. priority access to NSW/Qld clubs is removed) fans of those clubs get very narky. "They" fund them and all.

We do. But we also have so many being developed that the whole competition benefits.

Youre welcome.

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[Scotland]

GWS fans redefine entitlement mentality.

 

[Colonial]

GWS fans redefine entitlement mentality.

We looked into the history of the comp, with the new teams fans, and learned from the Eagles and Crows.

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[Scotland]

The irony being that we do actually fund the development of junior players for other clubs.

 

[The_Steadier]

We do. But we also have so many being developed that the whole competition benefits.

Youre welcome.

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Why not cut out the useless middle man and just send the thanks direct to AFL House?

 

[Colonial]

Why not cut out the useless middle man and just send the thanks direct to AFL House?

Because they are no good at it.

Hense why the acadamies are a success and the previous arrangement wasnt.

Off topic so back to Hopper.

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