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The AFL Players Association advised Jake Carlisle's manager not to inform St Kilda of the allegations against the player despite knowing that Channel Nine was threatening to expose footage of Carlisle taking illicit drugs.

In a revelation which has created significant friction between the Saints and the players union it has emerged that the AFLPA knew about the allegations against Carlisle in the hours that preceded his trade to St Kilda but said nothing and advised Anthony McConville to do the same. The players' union has since said it would not sanction McConville.

Carlisle and McConville fronted the AFL's integrity bosses on Thursday with the player having admitted he misled his manager when first contacted about the vision which was shown on A Current Affair last Wednesday, just hours after his multimillion-dollar agreement with the Saints was ratified by the AFL.

Players boss Paul Marsh admitted to Fairfax Media that McConville sought the advice of the AFLPA. He said he backed the decision of the players' union to initially withhold the information from St Kilda although he admitted the timing had been unfortunate. "Whilst the timing could not have been more unsatisfactory for the club as it turned out, the agent would have been breaching his obligations to the player if he was to act on the limited information he was aware of any earlier."

It is understood Carlisle came clean to McConville several hours after the trade had been ratified by the AFL, a trade which included the Saints giving up their first-round draft pick. Carlisle had allegedly not been aware of the intricacies of the social media "snapchat" and had not realised his illicit substance use could have been made public.

Fairfax Media now understands McConville contacted Ian Prendergast and the AFLPA legal boss Brett Murphy on the morning of Wednesday, October 21, some 24 hours after first being contacted by Channel Nine.

McConville had contacted Carlisle who denied he had an issue.

Prendergast and Murphy advised McConville to further investigate the allegations but not at that stage inform St Kilda. Saints boss Matt Finnis had previously overseen the AFLPA and is understood to remain disappointed at being kept in the dark at such a crucial stage of the trade.

It has since emerged that St Kilda would not have recruited Carlisle had it known of his drug use. Further antagonism between the club and the AFLPA has emerged with the Saints now moving to not only strip Carlisle's marketing money but also various other components of the four-year deal estimated at about $2.4 million with an option for a fifth season.

While McConville fronted the AFL on Thursday he falls under the jurisdiction of the AFLPA.

Said Marsh: "We are comfortable with the actions of Jake's agent throughout the matter and the guidance provided by the AFLPA.

"In our view the club and the AFL were informed at the appropriate time based on the information that was available and the circumstances surrounding the allegation."

Carlisle also faces home-and-away games suspension from St Kilda and has unofficially agreed to voluntarily take a positive illicit drug strike.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...llegations-20151029-gkmd80.html#ixzz3pwwJLqG2
 
St Mark said:
The AFL Players Association advised Jake Carlisle's manager not to inform St Kilda of the allegations against the player despite knowing that Channel Nine was threatening to expose footage of Carlisle taking illicit drugs.

In a revelation which has created significant friction between the Saints and the players union it has emerged that the AFLPA knew about the allegations against Carlisle in the hours that preceded his trade to St Kilda but said nothing and advised Anthony McConville to do the same. The players' union has since said it would not sanction McConville.

Carlisle and McConville fronted the AFL's integrity bosses on Thursday with the player having admitted he misled his manager when first contacted about the vision which was shown on A Current Affair last Wednesday, just hours after his multimillion-dollar agreement with the Saints was ratified by the AFL.

Players boss Paul Marsh admitted to Fairfax Media that McConville sought the advice of the AFLPA. He said he backed the decision of the players' union to initially withhold the information from St Kilda although he admitted the timing had been unfortunate. "Whilst the timing could not have been more unsatisfactory for the club as it turned out, the agent would have been breaching his obligations to the player if he was to act on the limited information he was aware of any earlier."

It is understood Carlisle came clean to McConville several hours after the trade had been ratified by the AFL, a trade which included the Saints giving up their first-round draft pick. Carlisle had allegedly not been aware of the intricacies of the social media "snapchat" and had not realised his illicit substance use could have been made public.

Fairfax Media now understands McConville contacted Ian Prendergast and the AFLPA legal boss Brett Murphy on the morning of Wednesday, October 21, some 24 hours after first being contacted by Channel Nine.

McConville had contacted Carlisle who denied he had an issue.

Prendergast and Murphy advised McConville to further investigate the allegations but not at that stage inform St Kilda. Saints boss Matt Finnis had previously overseen the AFLPA and is understood to remain disappointed at being kept in the dark at such a crucial stage of the trade.

It has since emerged that St Kilda would not have recruited Carlisle had it known of his drug use. Further antagonism between the club and the AFLPA has emerged with the Saints now moving to not only strip Carlisle's marketing money but also various other components of the four-year deal estimated at about $2.4 million with an option for a fifth season.

While McConville fronted the AFL on Thursday he falls under the jurisdiction of the AFLPA.

Said Marsh: "We are comfortable with the actions of Jake's agent throughout the matter and the guidance provided by the AFLPA.

"In our view the club and the AFL were informed at the appropriate time based on the information that was available and the circumstances surrounding the allegation."

Carlisle also faces home-and-away games suspension from St Kilda and has unofficially agreed to voluntarily take a positive illicit drug strike.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...llegations-20151029-gkmd80.html#ixzz3pwwJLqG2
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St Mark said:
The AFL Players Association advised Jake Carlisle's manager not to inform St Kilda of the allegations against the player despite knowing that Channel Nine was threatening to expose footage of Carlisle taking illicit drugs.

In a revelation which has created significant friction between the Saints and the players union it has emerged that the AFLPA knew about the allegations against Carlisle in the hours that preceded his trade to St Kilda but said nothing and advised Anthony McConville to do the same. The players' union has since said it would not sanction McConville.

Carlisle and McConville fronted the AFL's integrity bosses on Thursday with the player having admitted he misled his manager when first contacted about the vision which was shown on A Current Affair last Wednesday, just hours after his multimillion-dollar agreement with the Saints was ratified by the AFL.

Players boss Paul Marsh admitted to Fairfax Media that McConville sought the advice of the AFLPA. He said he backed the decision of the players' union to initially withhold the information from St Kilda although he admitted the timing had been unfortunate. "Whilst the timing could not have been more unsatisfactory for the club as it turned out, the agent would have been breaching his obligations to the player if he was to act on the limited information he was aware of any earlier."

It is understood Carlisle came clean to McConville several hours after the trade had been ratified by the AFL, a trade which included the Saints giving up their first-round draft pick. Carlisle had allegedly not been aware of the intricacies of the social media "snapchat" and had not realised his illicit substance use could have been made public.

Fairfax Media now understands McConville contacted Ian Prendergast and the AFLPA legal boss Brett Murphy on the morning of Wednesday, October 21, some 24 hours after first being contacted by Channel Nine.

McConville had contacted Carlisle who denied he had an issue.

Prendergast and Murphy advised McConville to further investigate the allegations but not at that stage inform St Kilda. Saints boss Matt Finnis had previously overseen the AFLPA and is understood to remain disappointed at being kept in the dark at such a crucial stage of the trade.

It has since emerged that St Kilda would not have recruited Carlisle had it known of his drug use. Further antagonism between the club and the AFLPA has emerged with the Saints now moving to not only strip Carlisle's marketing money but also various other components of the four-year deal estimated at about $2.4 million with an option for a fifth season.

While McConville fronted the AFL on Thursday he falls under the jurisdiction of the AFLPA.

Said Marsh: "We are comfortable with the actions of Jake's agent throughout the matter and the guidance provided by the AFLPA.

"In our view the club and the AFL were informed at the appropriate time based on the information that was available and the circumstances surrounding the allegation."

Carlisle also faces home-and-away games suspension from St Kilda and has unofficially agreed to voluntarily take a positive illicit drug strike.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...llegations-20151029-gkmd80.html#ixzz3pwwJLqG2
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Here's a conspiracy theory for you... Ian Prendergast (AFLPA boss) - 65 games for Carlton... Brett Murphy (AFLPA legal guy) - Marc Murphy's big brother...

Carlton's stink is all over it.
 
Daddy_Barrels said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you... Ian Prendergast (AFLPA boss) - 65 games for Carlton... Brett Murphy (AFLPA legal guy) - Marc Murphy's big brother...

Carlton's stink is all over it.
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Daddy_Barrels said:
Here's a conspiracy theory for you... Ian Prendergast (AFLPA boss) - 65 games for Carlton... Brett Murphy (AFLPA legal guy) - Marc Murphy's big brother...

Carlton's stink is all over it.
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That would tend to tell me they'd Screw Essendon if they could.

My mind went more to the Luke Ball factor.

Give us pick 5 back.
 
sauce_head said:
That would tend to tell me they'd Screw Essendon if they could.

My mind went more to the Luke Ball factor.

Give us pick 5 back.
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I don't know about that - Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon... The so-called 'big clubs' all have a financial incentive to destabilise and railroad the financially smaller clubs.

North, the Dogs and us being sustainedly successful would be their worst nightmare.
 
Daddy_Barrels said:
I don't know about that - Carlton, Collingwood, Essendon... The so-called 'big clubs' all have a financial incentive to destabilise and railroad the financially smaller clubs.

North, the Dogs and us being sustainedly successful would be their worst nightmare.
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Absolutely but we do just bend over and take it.

Imagine if Collingwood were in our position. Aside from not giving up pick 5 in the first place, even if they had do you think they'd cop not getting the trade canceled and the pick back?

No ****ing way.
 
Nothing much will happen. Our hands are tied, we got played. And he'll probably be suspended by the club, which essentially punishes the team itself, double blow.
 
As happy as I was to have Carlisle, even considering the cost, I'm starting to really lean toward cancelling it, taking Brown or Hartley late and someone like Francis at pick 5.

CHBench is right though, nothing will happen, the AFL can't afford for it to. What we DO know now is that the club wasn't out-traded, we were absolutely blindsided and screwed by multiple sources.
 

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You get the impression McConville wont be doing business again with the club anytime soon and Finnis's relationship with the ALFPA will be very strained. McConville & Carlisle are lying turds and the club should be supported by the AFL to rectify this disastrous situation!
 
What a disaster this is turning out to be, through no fault of its own the club has been played like fools by everyone. F^%K Carlisle I want pick 5 & 24 back
 
So my anger at McConville was misplaced, he acted appropriately but was given advice by the AFLPA that damaged the St Kilda brand and causing us to trade for a player whom we would not have chosen to trade for given full disclosure.

The St Kilda FC feel it is within their rights to modify the pre-arranged contract given the situation. The club are "moving to not only strip Carlisle's marketing money but also various other components of the four-year deal estimated at about $2.4 million". Now the AFLPA want to prevent us from doing that.

I get it, the AFLPA are there to ensure that players don't get exploited by the clubs, but the club needs to be protected too.

It appears that the AFLPA wont be held accountable for its actions. If those actions damage the club, and they have, then the AFL should step in and compensate St Kilda FC for the damage to our brand. They can do this by offering strong positive media releases, ensuring that St Kilda are recognised as the damaged party and promoting the club in other ways including strong support for any sponsorships we were hopeful of getting finalised for next season.
 
Daddy_Barrels said:
As happy as I was to have Carlisle, even considering the cost, I'm starting to really lean toward cancelling it, taking Brown or Hartley late and someone like Francis at pick 5.

CHBench is right though, nothing will happen, the AFL can't afford for it to. What we DO know now is that the club wasn't out-traded, we were absolutely blindsided and screwed by multiple sources.
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AFL knows this. A sweetener will come the Saints way from the AFL.

Started we'll with the draw. Maybe an extra deal of funding for Moorabbin
 

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Kildonan said:
So my anger at McConville was misplaced, he acted appropriately but was given advice by the AFLPA that damaged the St Kilda brand and causing us to trade for a player whom we would not have chosen to trade for given full disclosure.

The St Kilda FC feel it is within their rights to modify the pre-arranged contract given the situation. The club are "moving to not only strip Carlisle's marketing money but also various other components of the four-year deal estimated at about $2.4 million". Now the AFLPA want to prevent us from doing that.

I get it, the AFLPA are there to ensure that players don't get exploited by the clubs, but the club needs to be protected too.

It appears that the AFLPA wont be held accountable for its actions. If those actions damage the club, and they have, then the AFL should step in and compensate St Kilda FC for the damage to our brand. They can do this by offering strong positive media releases, ensuring that St Kilda are recognised as the damaged party and promoting the club in other ways including strong support for any sponsorships we were hopeful of getting finalised for next season.
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Surely... Surely Gil gets on the front foot with this & does us a solid

But I'm not holding my breath, even if he is a Saints supporter
 
Are we Unlucky (Carlisle & Lovett) or are we just a badly run club that just seems to find trouble around every corner. 40 years I have followed my beloved Saints and I'm sick of it. Just sack the prick
 

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