Jake Edwards

[shuveradda]

Just wondering on the status of this 18 year old.

Was taken in the middle rounds of the draft in 05' and was touted as an earlier pick in this years draft, how is he going and what do you think of his talent/s? will he make it in your opinions

remember playing against him and his work ethic on the training track combined with his concentration was apparently really good, is a role model trainer for all

 

[BlueBelle]

There has been plenty of pics of Jake posted in the training threads on this Board. It's worthwhile taking a look at them.

From all reports he is looking fit and he appears to have the physique of a key position player. I also believe he is pretty quick. There was word last last week that he may have tweaked his hammy at training though

I expect Jake to play a few games during 2007 if he can stay fit. I think he may be one of the wildcards for us

 

[Jeremias]

From all reports, Jake has really bulked up so far, without losing the explosive pace that he has. It looks like we are developing him as a forward, able to play up the ground including on a wing.

Look forward to seeing him in action in the NAB Cup where he will surely get a game, and hopefully he plays quite a few games in 2007. Pick 36 isn't such a bad pick at all, and we should definitely get a quality player with that sort of pick-hopefully that's exactly what Jake turns out to be.

 

[blues4flag]

Look forward to seeing him in action in the NAB Cup where he will surely get a game, and hopefully he plays quite a few games in 2007. Pick 36 isn't such a bad pick at all, and we should definitely get a quality player with that sort of pick-hopefully that's exactly what Jake turns out to be.

Exactly, can't wait to see Jake play and he looks to be a good prospect.

 

[Bluebear]

Is he still 18?

He's huge. Just hope he can play.

 

[Jeremias]

Is he still 18?

He's huge. Just hope he can play.

Yep, he's still 18.

Looks like he has really bulked up since we drafted him, but he hasn't lost his explosive pace which is excellent to see.

Seems as though we are grooming him to become a forward, but I'm not sure if I like that too much.

Looking forward to seeing him in action.

 

[audas]

Yep, he's still 18.

Looks like he has really bulked up since we drafted him, but he hasn't lost his explosive pace which is excellent to see.

Seems as though we are grooming him to become a forward, but I'm not sure if I like that too much.

Looking forward to seeing him in action.

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

 

[HBF]

Would really like to see him debut in '07. Saw him up close recently at a Carlton function, and the guy is an absolute monster. As Parrot says, plenty to look forward to in '07.

 

[blues4flag]

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

Neither are expected to be the first or second forward - but as 3rd and 4th behind Fev and Kennedy (not in 07, obviously, but in coming years). And our being overly harsh on Waite, atleast, to say he wasn't affected by the argument of injuries isn't valid is ignorant, his 2005 was decent at worst; 36 goals is a very good return. And what about his game against the Hawks that season, where he dominated in Fev's absence? He has shown that he's more than good enough, not as a first or second target, but as a third forward he'll be great.

Fisher, on the other hand, while he has some talent, is just unable to get a break from injuries. He can be decent, and he has been at stages, but his constant injuries haven't given him the opportunity to settle. If he can stay injury-free, a big if, he could probably be a good player, but I'd definitely prefer to see him play further up the ground, in an O'Keefe fashion, as I think he'll do pretty well in that role. I don't know if anyone else noticed, but I recall him playing further up the ground towards the end of this season.

I'm excited about Edwards, and if he's suited to the forward line, than play him there. No point molding him into a defender, as we did Livo (and arguably ruining his career) if that's not where he should be playing, given our ever increasing number of defensive prospects. Let him play up forward, and move one of Fisher or Waite further up the ground (as I mentioned earlier, preferably Fisher) and give Edwards some time up forwards to see what he can do.

 

[Blue Boyz]

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

While I won't disagree that we need other scoring options than what Fevola's provides, with all due respect I don't see how you can say that our defence wasn't the main problem in 2006. Only Ess. conceded more points against than Carlton and our lack of tall, solid and experienced defenders made it too easy for teams to push extra tall forwards or rucks to stretch our already undersized back half.

While I am not saying that we would be make the finals, I think many football followers would be very surprised how competitive we would be if we had a quality tall like Scarlett or Rutten and quick small checking defender like Clement. That would mean that our best defender Thorton would probably take the other team's 2nd or 3rd best forward which he would more physically suited to.

Not some much you Audas but other Carlton supporters love talk up the potential of Hartlett, Flint, Bower, Edwards et al as if they are going to be dominant back half contributors in 2007. They are only boys in every sense of the word and they a fair way to go before they even reach being regular player status let alone, dominating defenders.

 

[Silvagnis]

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

Jarred Waite killed Melbourne in round one with 22 disposals, 10 marks, 3 goals four and 10 inside 50s. Waite received just one vote for that game and I feel Fev was BOG with 5 goals because Waite missed a couple of easy goals. I feel he needs a new coach to take his game to a new level and I thought he would gone off with it because he was unbelievable in that game. I'm interesting why he kicked 36 goals in the previous wooden spoon side yet he only managed half that total this year.

And Fisher needs to do alot of work on his kicking but you could argue he's still recovering from a knee reconstruction and he is pretty injury prone. I think you're being pretty harsh on them given Pagan's brilliant game plan is to go to Fev ninety percent of the time and have us flood in the first quarter.

I'd be more worried if we had Johns on our list than these two players.

Lance should be used up forward if your argument is on the money and then someone might make us a nice offer if he kicks a few or takes pressure off Fev, Kennedy, Fisher and Waite.

Any tall halfback flanker who is half decent can float around in the back half by zoning off and picking up kicks by reading the play in today's high possession football. I hope Saddington's and Hartlett's bodies stand up so they can play in defence and allow our brilliant leader to win us matches up the ground.

 

[audas]

No one wants to say what im saying about Waite, but its the true. This is the reason, pagan and others, publicly stated hey would be putting waite in the back line to see how he goes. The point is these guys arent 18, 19 or 20. They've been around for some time, and I havent disputed their injuries, no ignorant, merely that they have never set the world on fire. One game where they played how one would EXPECT them to play is not good enough to take us where we want to go. We need to see that these guys can change the course of game, to know that they can, to sense it in our bones, and THAT is not the case. We need them to either come good (been saying this for years now) or start looking to bring others in.

The situation with the defense comes back to the fact our forward line was inept. Our defense was being inundated, more than anyone other team probably why was this ? Because as soon as they cleared it to the half forward - forward line we broke down and the ball came straight back for another attack. They were constantly under assault not because they were pox but because our forward line completely fell over.

People keep looking at the first thing that comes to hand (people scored against us alot our defense must be junk) without going beyond the first thing in front of your face.

watch the hawthorn game for a good example of this. It is as clear as day once its pointed out, now go back, watch some games and you'll see exatly what is being said stands up. For both the waite / fish argument and the forward failures.

 

[Jeremias]

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

Edwards should not be played as a permanent forward as we simply don't have room for him there. We cannot fit another 190cm+ guy in the forward line. There is a thing called top heavy, and that's exactly what we will be if we play Jake up forward. Tall forwards are not our problem, rather it's our small and medium forwards that need work. Eddie is good, but he needs support from the likes of Murph, Blackers and even Gibbs. Our medium forwards need work, as we only really hae Wiggins who will play there. Carrazzo was tried there, and he looked excellent, so maybe that should be tried once more.

Jake fits into neither of these categories.

Fish and Waite are both very valuable members of the team. Your last statement shows just how clueless you really are. Off the top of my head, Waite won the game for us against the Hawks a few years ago, when Fev was out and he kicked 6. If we didn't win, then he kept us close.

Fisher was close to, if not BOG vs Freo 2 years ago in his first game back.

Of course they weren't ripping teams apart last year, Fish was injured, and Waite had a very off year. But I am confident that they will bounce back. There is no doubt that we have the tools necessary to make an excellent forward line.

Jake is not suited to the forward role that we require. I would much prefer we play him on a wing, or as a 4th or running defender. But to put him forward on a permanent basis would be incredibly silly.

 

[BlueFeaver]

I have been saying for a long time that our defensive woes have been blown out of proprtion, sure there is a problem there but the real problem lies in the lack of accountability in the mid-field and forward set-up. It does not matter what back line personnel you have, if there is no pressure on the supply into the F50 you will concede goals.
CFC is building a strong versatile backline with everyone bar Lance able to run through the lines, but agian the success of this backline depends on the pressure applied by the MF and the forward line.

I beleive that Waite should be moved into the backline, he needs to get some consistency into his game. Even as a junior it was a problem with him. Imagine him as a HBF/CHF, he has plenty of mongrel and the ability to drag his opponent forward or into the centre. We need to optimise him as a player, at the moment I feel as though we are not utilising his full potential.

Fisher's best position would be on the wing, he plays his best football up the ground and then running foward with the ball. The guy can run and has very good speed, the mis-match is create because there is not many players of his size with his mobility and marking ability: not to mention his arms are the length of someone well over a 196cm. He will never be KP, as you all know he cannot get the weight on.

With the developement of Edwards body he is a very good chance to be our 3rd tall forward. As we all know he has plenty of pace to lead out of the goal square. He is still only young, so hopefully he keeps up the good work. I would expect him to end up playing around the 95-100kg mark.

Saying Pagans game plane is to only kick it to Fev while going forward is rubbish. The decision is made by the players out on the field, they have confidence in Fevs ability to convert. Even when it is so predictible they will take the Fev option as they know that it is the safer one. This is symptomatic of a team with no confidence, rather than back them selves and take a chance they will go with the easier option. I think this year you will see Lance go forward (depending on Saddington) a long with Kennedy playing a true CHF. Lance will teach this kid so much in a very short amount of time. Then we will have a good mix up forward, not to mention Gibbs and Grigg can play forward and so can Benji answering our medium forward wish

 

[AlecDuncan]

While I won't disagree that we need other scoring options than what Fevola's provides, with all due respect I don't see how you can say that our defence wasn't the main problem in 2006. Only Ess. conceded more points against than Carlton and our lack of tall, solid and experienced defenders made it too easy for teams to push extra tall forwards or rucks to stretch our already undersized back half.

Our midfield was the main problem in '06. The number of points conceded by our defence says more about how opposition midfields were able to run the ball in at will.

 

[av76]

Agree that the real problem is the midfield...lack of ball winning ability in the tough stuff and lack of accountability going the other way.
I think Waite and Fisher are going to have to return to their best very quickly or could risk a few games in the ressies. Edwards, Gibbs, Wiggins, Kouta, Cloke are some of the others who will be challenging for mid-tall forward positions.

 

[Bluebear]

Why not ?

Wiate has shown us little considering he wraps he was given. Fish is a solid mark however has no dominance up forward. Kennedy is still progressing and is not there yet. Our biggest problem of 06 was a complete lack of forward options. I have been saying this for weeks. Our defence was no the main problem. The fact that we finish last with the coleman medalist should be screaming something to people, yet all the can think is we are fine up forward, well were not.
People go an about resting someone up there and all kind of gargbage, we have NO structure and neither Fish nor Waite are presently good enough.

No point in ranting about injuries, etc. Have a look at their carreers, their age etc and then show me one game where they have torn the game to bits, dominated, BOG or anything else of that calibre. They simply havent and at this stage are not good enough to win us a flag.

Last year Vs Hawks Waite was BOG (the game Fev was suspended for), kicked 5 ripping goals and dominated.
I take your point that they are not consistent, but you overstate how little they have performed. Fisher will never be BOG or dominate......he will be a good solid player if he stays injury free, and very hard to match up on. Plays taller than he is, and to quick for taller defenders. May become the Robbo type forward, HFF. Better disposal and stringing some games together will turn him into a handful