James Aish

[DJ75]

I think SA's only chance of having a player go in the top 10 this time is KPF Ryan Burton, can't really see any outstanding SA midfielders likely to go 1st round, one pacey midfielder worth a look could be Luke Partington probably go late 1st round or even 2nd round.

Keep an eye on Matt Allen. If he has a big carnival he could scorch up the rankings.

 

[GROTTO]

This could be our next 'Pavlich' moment. Here we have a young gun SA footballer who wants out of his club, do we back ourselves in at the draft and watch him go on or do we this time have a massive go and get him home.

He wont be as good as Pav, not many have been but the premise remains. Also given our club losing out in bidding wars in recent times we have to make a stand. This off season will be the first real test of how far we've come.

Im all for getting him, thats not the question. The question is how much.

In fairness to us though, it was Ayres who selfishly thought of himself and his coaching credentials in selecting a washed up CHF ahead of a potential to good CHF at the time. Pavlich would have done a similar job to Carey even at the time.

There is no way any Club today would make that decision, regardless of hindsight. You dont trade hard for a 30+ year old CHF player with shoulder issues and especially ahead of a player with potentially 10+ years left in him irrespective of premiership window.

 

[Sanders]

If you can't see the intrinsic quality in this lad then we can't discuss him. Will get us nowhere

 

[lincsPJ]

In fairness to us though, it was Ayres who selfishly thought of himself and his coaching credentials in selecting a washed up CHF ahead of a potential to good CHF at the time. Pavlich would have done a similar job to Carey even at the time.

There is no way any Club today would make that decision, regardless of hindsight. You dont trade hard for a 30+ year old CHF player with shoulder issues and especially ahead of a player with potentially 10+ years left in him irrespective of premiership window.

Pav had a lot of shoulder issues himself from a teenager. I'm surprised he's lasted this long to be honest, but yeh it's been done to death so in not going to go on about this monumental **** up.

 

[Sanders]

Why would it have been ayres' decision?

That doesn't make sense. /chewbacca

 

[plugger59]

Why would it have been ayres' decision?

That doesn't make sense. /chewbacca

I mightn't know much but I do know Ayres pulled rank / went against club decision.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I mightn't know much but I do know Ayres pulled rank / went against club decision.

Wasn't that on the decision to draft Angwin?

I thought everyone at the club was keen on the Carey one. I remember John Reid being interviewed and was asked about Pavlich. "We've got bigger fish to fry," was his reply.

 

[plugger59]

Wasn't that on the decision to draft Angwin?

I thought everyone at the club was keen on the Carey one. I remember John Reid being interviewed and was asked about Pavlich. "We've got bigger fish to fry," was his reply.

Yep, him too. He backed the Hawthawn 'family' crap and said all would be good with young Laurie.

But 'I know a bloke' who told me that Ayres definitely went against the flow with Carey over Pav. For a quite a few years around that time we had a 'family friend' who had a) a player manager and b) a senior recruiter (both still active) in his family. Unfortunately we don't have that close contact anymore.

 

[GROTTO]

I mightn't know much but I do know Ayres pulled rank / went against club decision.

Correct. 101%.

 

[AFC979810]

I thought everyone at the club was keen on the Carey one.

They were. And it was the right decision to go after him.

Now that we are almost 13 years on from the trade its getting easier and easier to pick apart the decision (based on how good Pavlich was from 2005 onwards).

What fades as time goes by is the understanding of just how good Wayne Carey was and the position we were in at the end of 2002. We had just come off a season where we finished 15-7 (3rd on the ladder) and lost to Collingwood in a prelim where we led at half time. Why not give up our Kane Johnson compensation for the greatest forward of all time in order to try and win a flag.

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

I'm the same. Thought it was worth a crack given where our team was at and what we lacked at the time.

Ultimately it didn't work but at least we had a crack at winning a premiership rather than our usual method of being content to make the eight.

Damn that point post!

That it didn't work I think scared us off similar bold moves later on.

I have my doubts on whether Pavlich ever was intending to return home too. I know what the folklore says, I'm not so sure.

 

[Doctor B]

Skilled goal kicking midfielder.

What is your take on Aish? You would have seen most/all of his games at Brisbane, and you have had so many great midfielders over the years.
How highly is he rated, and how much potential do you think he has? Also if you could compare him to a well known player who do you think he plays like?
He seems to be polarising the board over here, it would be good to get your opinion.

 

[The Big Sauce]

I'm the same. Thought it was worth a crack given where our team was at and what we lacked at the time.

Ultimately it didn't work but at least we had a crack at winning a premiership rather than our usual method of being content to make the eight.

Damn that point post!

That it didn't work I think scared us off similar bold moves later on.

I have my doubts on whether Pavlich ever was intending to return home too. I know what the folklore says, I'm not so sure.

Pavlich was pretty damn good at getting another side to come to the table so he could extract some extra dollars out of the Dockers.

Normally it was us he used but he also used Gold Coast before they entered the league. He was one of two players to get that far down the road he was tabled an official offer that he turned down. The other was Kurt Tippett and anyone else who got that far signed on.

He was willing to play the richest clubs off against each other for an extra dollar and he was one of the best at it in the league. I have doubts that he was ever serious about coming back and can certainly see the reasoning in the Carey trade, even if it didn't work out in hindsight.

 

[Hollow Knight]

What is your take on Aish? You would have seen most/all of his games at Brisbane, and you have had so many great midfielders over the years.
How highly is he rated, and how much potential do you think he has? Also if you could compare him to a well known player who do you think he plays like?
He seems to be polarising the board over here, it would be good to get your opinion.

One of those players that "has time". Not an in and under player but a good second-possession from stoppage type who gets to the right spots to set up chains. Not the most penetrating disposal but very smart and efficient. Brings others into the game. Reminds me a little of Luke Power.

 

[Sanders]

I mightn't know much but I do know Ayres pulled rank / went against club decision.

How do you know that? Seeing as he doesn't or didn't have rank in that area to pull?

 

[plugger59]

How do you know that? Seeing as he doesn't or didn't have rank in that area to pull?

See my post a few back from here. They were my sources. Just to clarify, neither of them worked for the crows. But one in particular had particular interest in the deal. As i said on here a long time ago, I was never given a running commentary while things were happening - not even close to that. It was always in retrospect, usually a long time after. it was like 'this bloke nearly went there', or, 'that club was hard into x and nearly got him over the line' type of thing.
So my info is not straight from the horses mouth(i.e. not from Pav himself) but I believed them.

 

[alex_is_on_fire]

I'm the same. Thought it was worth a crack given where our team was at and what we lacked at the time.

Ultimately it didn't work but at least we had a crack at winning a premiership rather than our usual method of being content to make the eight.

Damn that point post!

That it didn't work I think scared us off similar bold moves later on.

I have my doubts on whether Pavlich ever was intending to return home too. I know what the folklore says, I'm not so sure.

Of course it did. 10 years latter, people are still bitching about it.

 

[relapse]

The sad thing is that Carey spent 12 months out of footy and was just finally getting back to his best in 2004 when he injured his neck and it ended his career. Put him in our 2005 side and potentially we might have won the flag.

 

[relapse]

Yep, him too. He backed the Hawthawn 'family' crap and said all would be good with young Laurie.

Did your source ever tell you who Fantasia preferred to take ??

I almost just accepted for years that it was Kane Cornes, but recently I heard somewhere that Fantasia advised the club to select Shaun Burgoyne with their first pick ? So I am not sure now what to believe.

 

[Vader]

Did your source ever tell you who Fantasia preferred to take ??

I almost just accepted for years that it was Kane Cornes, but recently I heard somewhere that Fantasia advised the club to select Shaun Burgoyne with their first pick ? So I am not sure now what to believe.

That's my understanding - Fantasia wanted Burgoyne, Ayres wanted Angwin (despite his psychological issues being well known to the recruiters). Ayres got his way and Adelaide wasted the highest draft pick it ever had.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

They were. And it was the right decision to go after him.

Now that we are almost 13 years on from the trade its getting easier and easier to pick apart the decision (based on how good Pavlich was from 2005 onwards).

What fades as time goes by is the understanding of just how good Wayne Carey was and the position we were in at the end of 2002. We had just come off a season where we finished 15-7 (3rd on the ladder) and lost to Collingwood in a prelim where we led at half time. Why not give up our Kane Johnson compensation for the greatest forward of all time in order to try and win a flag.

Daniel wells would have been pretty handy as well

 

[Vader]

Daniel wells would have been pretty handy as well

And how were we to get our hands on Daniel Wells?

Daniel Wells was taken with draft pick #2. We never had draft pick #2. Richmond gave us pick #4 as part of the Johnson/Torney trade. We then on-traded pick #4 to North Melbourne as part of the Carey trade. The AFL subsequently stripped Carlton of picks #1 & #2 after trade week had finished.. and North Melbourne found themselves the big winners, with Wells falling into their laps.

Both Richmond & Adelaide are on record as having stated that they never would have done the deal if they knew that they were trading pick #2 instead of pick #4. Richmond wouldn't have given it up for Johnson, we wouldn't have given it up for Carey.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

And how were we to get our hands on Daniel Wells?

Daniel Wells was taken with draft pick #2. We never had draft pick #2. Richmond gave us pick #4 as part of the Johnson/Torney trade. We then on-traded pick #4 to North Melbourne as part of the Carey trade. The AFL subsequently stripped Carlton of picks #1 & #2 after trade week had finished.. and North Melbourne found themselves the big winners, with Wells falling into their laps.

Both Richmond & Adelaide are on record as having stated that they never would have done the deal if they knew that they were trading pick #2 instead of pick #4. Richmond wouldn't have given it up for Johnson, we wouldn't have given it up for Carey.

Good , I always thought the pick north melb got for Carey was used on wells but then again I was drunk for most of those years and whatever else

 

[Pdub]

And how were we to get our hands on Daniel Wells?

Daniel Wells was taken with draft pick #2. We never had draft pick #2. Richmond gave us pick #4 as part of the Johnson/Torney trade. We then on-traded pick #4 to North Melbourne as part of the Carey trade. The AFL subsequently stripped Carlton of picks #1 & #2 after trade week had finished.. and North Melbourne found themselves the big winners, with Wells falling into their laps.

Both Richmond & Adelaide are on record as having stated that they never would have done the deal if they knew that they were trading pick #2 instead of pick #4. Richmond wouldn't have given it up for Johnson, we wouldn't have given it up for Carey.

The disappointing thing is if Carey went somewhere else, our second option was a young Mathew Pavlich who was prepared to come home at the time and pick 4 would have got the job done.

 

[Vader]

Good , I always thought the pick north melb got for Carey was used on wells but then again I was drunk for most of those years and whatever else

It was... but it only became possible when the AFL stripped Carlton of the top 2 draft picks (transforming pick #4 into pick #2), which happened after trade week had finished.

It was widely thought that there were only 2 genuine guns in the 2002 draft - Goddard & Wells, hence why Richmond & Adelaide were both happy with trading pick #4. Pick #4 that year was Tim Walsh, who played a grand total of 1 AFL game.