January 26

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Our January 6th

 

[QuietB]

A Boon Wurrung elder has condemned the vandalism of a statue of Captain James Cook, which was torn down in darkness on Australia Day eve, describing the act as disgraceful and heinous.

Speaking after a mourning reflection ceremony in St Kilda, Jason Briggs, the chair of the Boonwurrung Land and Sea Council, said a “violent crime had been committed” close to where the We-Akon Dilinja ceremony took place.

Briggs called those who vandalised the statue “cretins” whose “divisive act” had failed in its attempt to overshadow the event.

“We do not abide by anything illegal, illegitimate, or as disgraceful as such a heinous act,” he said.

Deaths in custody, statues, Gaza: Melbourne brims with tension through another January 26

Police say 35,000 people attended the anti-Australia Day protest – peppered with references to the war in Gaza – bringing parts of the city to a standstill.

www.theage.com.au

I’m sure that will get broad media attention

 

[Cuzz09]

Under 10 hours to go until another 12 months of hearing about any of this!

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[10571z]

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Of course they did.

 

[rank and file]

Yes, it was a terrible thing in 1833, but why should 27 million people who live here now pay the penalty? As i've said before, we could all go pack our bags and find any number of the 2 million or so uninhabited islands in the world and pitch our tents there! I love Australia, it's the people who i'm not overly fond of. The madness of this time of year is reprehensible.

No it was 1997
Interesting theory in this article
Vandals cut off head of warrior's statue

 

[Sttew]

Is defacing Rolf Harris' star on a walk of fame not okay, then?

As JB stated, if I put up a statue of Osama bin Laden on my front lawn would you criticise those who vandalised it?

There's nuance and context. Not everything is black and white (you even liked the post which said Gina Rinehart was somewhere in the middle, so I think you definitely understand that concept too).

I'm afraid in Australia, or at least Victoria it is black and white. Last time I checked it is a criminal offence to "intentionally destroy or damage property belonging to another".

I cannot believe there are idiots on this Board advocating that some criminal damage is acceptable or that we need to take into account "nuance and context".

 

[Cap]

I'm afraid in Australia, or at least Victoria it is black and white. Last time I checked it is a criminal offence to "intentionally destroy or damage property belonging to another".

I cannot believe there are idiots on this Board advocating that some criminal damage is acceptable or that we need to take into account "nuance and context".

Who does the Statue belong to ?

 

[Sttew]

Who does the Statue belong to ?

FMD! Not the vandals who damaged it. Anyway, under S.197 of the Crimes Act "A person who intentionally and without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another or to himself and another shall be guilty of an indictable offence and liable to level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum)."

So even if you successfully argued the statue is owned by the people, it is still an offence to vandalise it

 

[Cap]

FMD! Not the vandals who damaged it. Anyway, under S.197 of the Crimes Act "A person who intentionally and without lawful excuse destroys or damages any property belonging to another or to himself and another shall be guilty of an indictable offence and liable to level 5 imprisonment (10 years maximum)."

So even if you successfully argued the statue is owned by the people, it is still an offence to vandalise it

But someone has to lodge a complaint on behalf of the people.

And if the majority of the people don't care.

What then?

 

[Sttew]

But someone has to lodge a complaint on behalf of the people.

And if the majority of the people don't care.

What then?

You get to spend a night in deep and meaningful discussion with Tex Walker

 

[Cap]

You get to spend a night in deep and meaningful discussion with Tex Walker

That's the come back if a guy whose had a swing and a miss.

 

[Sttew]

That's the come back if a guy whose had a swing and a miss.

And your response to my earlier post is the come back of someone who is completely ignorant. And ignorance is no defence to committing a crime.

 

[Billy ray]

Sooooo
Whats everyone doing?

 

[schneebly111]

Sooooo
Whats everyone doing?

Driving around the city doing odd jobs on my day off

Very few Australian flags displayed on houses or cars, it’s almost as if it was a normal public holiday.

All the gatherings in the park or by the river are pretty much completely devoid of flags too.

 

[Billy ray]

I walked to the beach and had a swim and wander. Just a few eskies with aus flags on them tho they looked old. Couple umbrellas too. But mostly nothing.

Then at home been in pool off and on and in between snaggas from bbq.

 

[ElectricG]

Driving around the city doing odd jobs on my day off

Very few Australian flags displayed on houses or cars, it’s almost as if it was a normal public holiday.

All the gatherings in the park or by the river are pretty much completely devoid of flags too.

You’ve made so many comments like this. What’s your point?

 

[Sttew]

No, I didn't say it wasn't a potential crime.

If no one complains, no one is going to be charged . It can only be People v the Vandals if the people pursue it.

It's a crime to speed as well, but if the police pull you over and just tell you to slow down, you don't get charged.

Pretty obvious for those smart enough to use ignorant in a sentence correctly.

You're digging a deeper hole. Speeding is a summary offence not an offence under the Crimes Act unless you kill someone. And I don't think Police would stop a motorist who had been speeding and killed someone and let them off with a warning, do you?

Otherwise I have no idea what point you are trying to make? The Premier of Victoria, Port Phillip CC and the general public* have all condemned the actions of the vandals who damaged the Captain Cook statue. Police are investigating. The gutless pricks who did the damage had to commit their crime at 3,00am to avoid being seen. What does that tell you?

* except certain posters on BF

 

[Cap]

And your response to my earlier post is the come back of someone who is completely ignorant. And ignorance is no defence to committing a crime.

No one is defending anything, what they did could land them in gaol.


But lots of laws have been broken for good reason, which are provided through context and nuance. Something you appear to be completely oblivious too.

 

[ElectricG]

No one is defending anything, what they did could land them in gaol.


But lots of laws have been broken for good reason, which are provided through context and nuance. Something you appear to be completely oblivious too.

 

[Cap]

You're digging a deeper hole. Speeding is a summary offence not an offence under the Crimes Act unless you kill someone. And I don't think Police would stop a motorist who had been speeding and killed someone and let them off with a warning, do you?

So are you suggesting their is context and nuance to the Crimes Act?

Otherwise I have no idea what point you are trying to make? The Premier of Victoria, Port Phillip CC and the general public* have all condemned the actions of the vandals who damaged the Captain Cook statue. Police are investigating. The gutless pricks who did the damage had to commit their crime at 3,00am to avoid being seen. What does that tell you?

* except certain posters on BF

It's really easy. The person is only going to gaol if people think it's serious enough to do so.

Acts of civil disobedience don't always cop the same punishment if the broader society support the action.

 

[Kram]

I walked to the beach and had a swim and wander. Just a few eskies with aus flags on them tho they looked old. Couple umbrellas too. But mostly nothing.

Then at home been in pool off and on and in between snaggas from bbq.

Gym in the morning, drove past the Australian Day breakfast that looked more packed than ever. Went to the pool at midday, maybe a tad quieter than usual but the crowd was building over lunch.

 

[Gavin Excell]

Al Jazeera report on Aust Day

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[Cap]

It's not hard.

What they did was vandalism, clearly

That doesn't mean they'll get I trouble for it.

Just think of it, like this. When you steal your mums cigarettes, that's theft. But if she doesn't notice because she'd passed out drunk and then doesn't realise it when she wakes up and doesnt do anything about it, you aren't getting charged with theft are you?

So you still committed theft, but no one did anything about it.

 

[Forward Press]

I'm afraid in Australia, or at least Victoria it is black and white. Last time I checked it is a criminal offence to "intentionally destroy or damage property belonging to another".

I cannot believe there are idiots on this Board advocating that some criminal damage is acceptable or that we need to take into account "nuance and context".

Of course property damage is illegal. Duh.

I'd like to think we can have a broader discussion as to where can draw a line. No one prosecuted those vandalising tributes to Rolf Harris. Illegal? Yes. Should it be? The police didn't see fit to lay charges (but I think in that case no one owned up to it anyway)

Someone posted extreme examples of putting an Osama bin Laden statue on the front yard. Illegal to vandalise it? Of course. Should it be?

What if it's someone flying a Nazi flag in front of a synagogue? Burn the flag? Illegal. Punch the Nazi? Illegal. Should it be?

But if you don't want to entertain the broader discussion, fine. Just thought it was an interesting path to travel down.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

I wonder whats going on here