Jared Rivers interview on SEN

[00Stinger]

Malcolm Blight took over the Adelaide Crows in 1997, and got rid of Tony McGuinness and Andrew Jarman, who were in the leadership group, and they got sacked from the club, and put in other players instead.

BTW, Adelaide won the flag that year (and the year after).

I think Malcolm Blight would command a little more respect than Mark Neeld though

 

[BrunoV]

I think Malcolm Blight would command a little more respect than Mark Neeld though

Don't read too much into the Malcolm Blight thing. For a start there was a tremendous amount of good fortune involved in Adelaide winning those premierships and they had a depth of talent that ran really deep. I don't think anyone would look back on the decision favorably if they didn't win premierships.

You assess the merit of axing senior players on a case by case basis. Adelaide had guys like Mark Bickley, Rehn, Caven, Hart and Smart who were a group of leaders in waiting and some young essentially established stars at the next level below (e.g. Ricciuto, McLeod, Goodwin and Edwards). It would be stating the obvious to say that at the end of 2011 Melbourne didn't have a group of players of that sort of quality to fall back on.

 

[Dee31]

But what would've been better would be to have got the senior guys to lead the change instead of shunting them. Grimes and Trengove would've had more success with Moloney giving his all helping them and playing his best footy not sitting at Casey.

Neeld has plenty of good ideas but absolutely no clue in how to get them to work. It's why he had success at Collingwood where they players trust Mick 110% and therefore Neeld's plan can work.

Neeld has had success at other levels. He was trusted by Malthouse and, as far as I'm concerned, that's a ringing endorsement. Mick is not going to suffer fools and he is not going to carry dead wood. If Malthouse believed that Neeld was good enough to be part of his coaching team then that's more than good enough for me.

As for Neeld shunting Rivers and Moloney, who says he did? He removed them from the leadership group, fair enough. He wanted Moloney to play a different style; fair enough again. However, he wasn't the one dishing out contracts that didn't offer those guys the money or number of years they wanted. Given how thrilled he was with the way Rivers played as a pinch-hitting forward in 2012 you'd have to be crazy to think he wanted him to leave.

Neeld can coach, but he's not a miracle worker. The mature players in our group have had their spirit crushed by all of the things that occurred before Neeld arrived. Shaking that off takes time but for some reason, people at our club seem to think it's an easy fix. That tells me we've got a lot of people associated with our club who do a lot of talking but have bugger all understanding of the game or sport in general.

 

[dropdead1]

Neeld has had success at other levels. He was trusted by Malthouse and, as far as I'm concerned, that's a ringing endorsement. Mick is not going to suffer fools and he is not going to carry dead wood. If Malthouse believed that Neeld was good enough to be part of his coaching team then that's more than good enough for me.

As for Neeld shunting Rivers and Moloney, who says he did? He removed them from the leadership group, fair enough. He wanted Moloney to play a different style; fair enough again. However, he wasn't the one dishing out contracts that didn't offer those guys the money or number of years they wanted. Given how thrilled he was with the way Rivers played as a pinch-hitting forward in 2012 you'd have to be crazy to think he wanted him to leave.

Neeld can coach, but he's not a miracle worker. The mature players in our group have had their spirit crushed by all of the things that occurred before Neeld arrived. Shaking that off takes time but for some reason, people at our club seem to think it's an easy fix. That tells me we've got a lot of people associated with our club who do a lot of talking but have bugger all understanding of the game or sport in general.

Brad Green is the current midfield coach at Carlton, and as much as I respected him as a player, there is no way that he is the best mouthpiece for Malthouse's gameplan. He has proven over his career that he struggles to string sentences and words together, and often looks lost and confused when receiving instructions from MM during a game. I think Melbourne placed far too much emphasis on the fact Neeld was a Collingwood coach, and supposedly possessed the much desired Malthouse coaching IP.

 

[BrunoV]

I think it is more that the control freak head coaches do not produce good assistants. They tend to do everything themselves which we can only assume is not a good place for assistants.

None of the assistants who have come from coaching spells under Malthouse seem particularly impressive. I'd say as much for Ross Lyon. Guys like Roos and Thompson struck me as being more managers of coaches/players than obsessive senior coaches. Clarkson is an interesting one who is probably just an all round gun coach.

 

[catman 71]

Brad Green is the current midfield coach at Carlton, and as much as I respected him as a player, there is no way that he is the best mouthpiece for Malthouse's gameplan. He has proven over his career that he struggles to string sentences and words together, and often looks lost and confused when receiving instructions from MM during a game. I think Melbourne placed far too much emphasis on the fact Neeld was a Collingwood coach, and supposedly possessed the much desired Malthouse coaching IP.

I also got the impression that Malthouse mainly endorsed Neeld, to exclude Buckley. Malthouse seemed to almost go out of his way to mention Neeld's good work, while not acknowledging Nathan Buckley's good work. I saw it as a way of giving credit, but not to the man who would take over his job. Neeld got given extra credit, so Malthouse then wouldn't have to give Buckley any.

I heard that Melbourne approached Malthouse, who wasn't interested, but recommended Neeld. Melbourne probably thought that Neeld would be "Malthouse-lite", but it hasn't worked.

 

[maxmustard]

Beamer 'It's amazing what can happen when someone believes in you, Michael Voss believes in me'

Did Neeld believe in you? 'No'.

Did you believe in Neeld 'No'

AFL 360

 

[HankScorpio7]

Beamer 'It's amazing what can happen when someone believes in you, Michael Voss believes in me'

Did Neeld believe in you? 'No'.

Did you believe in Neeld 'No'

AFL 360

He was great the season before Neeld arrived and has been great since leaving the club. I wonder how many others don't 'believe in Neeld'.

 

[bing181]

It is unfair on 24/25yo players to be expected to provide on field leadership and coaching to younger players when they aren't that experienced themselves.

There we have it in a nutshell.

Equally though, I don't accept that we should automatically be keeping every 25+ year old player we have around the club, simply because they're more experienced.

 

[00Stinger]

Beamer 'It's amazing what can happen when someone believes in you, Michael Voss believes in me'

Did Neeld believe in you? 'No'.

Did you believe in Neeld 'No'

AFL 360

You could tell of his disappointment of leaving Melbourne. Especially when he said he poured his heart and soul into the club and took the kids for extra work to try and fast track the club.

 

[deeman87]

Everytime something is printed or broadcast about Mark Neeld i lose a little more faith in him than i had the previous day. Seriously you would hope clubs learnt from past mistakes eg. Junior.

 

[Stripes B and W]

I think it is more that the control freak head coaches do not produce good assistants. They tend to do everything themselves which we can only assume is not a good place for assistants.

None of the assistants who have come from coaching spells under Malthouse seem particularly impressive. I'd say as much for Ross Lyon. Guys like Roos and Thompson struck me as being more managers of coaches/players than obsessive senior coaches. Clarkson is an interesting one who is probably just an all round gun coach.

To suggest any reasonable head coach are not skilled man managers is a throwback to a bygone unprofessional era. As is a view that a control freak coach tend to do everything themselves, you mean that wouldnt utilise the dozen or so assistants and staff?
Just as many examples of good and poor coaches from any and every background. McCartney (Thompson),Knights ( Sheedy), Harvey ( Sheedy) and Bailey ( Williams) without even thinking havent been rousing successes.
The one consistent trend looked for is a stint with a club with lengthy success, the process and operation in that organisation/club should give a great learning background.
Looking at Neeld, to what level is he culpable that the MFC has to rebuild the rebuild, was it forseen at the time of his appointment, and does he have the ability to rebuild an organisation?

 

[bing181]

You could tell of his disappointment of leaving Melbourne. Especially when he said he poured his heart and soul into the club and took the kids for extra work to try and fast track the club.

Pass me a violin. Sorry, but really ... he was the one whose manager started ringing round early in the season, long before he was sent to Casey etc. etc. He's also the one who according to reports, didn't lose the weight he was asked to (funny thing is, he has done now at Brisbane, and look at the results ...), or follow instructions on rotations.

I'm in the "love the coach, hate the coach, you don't put yourself above the team" camp. Unfortunately for Brett, we didn't have Simon Black or Jonathan Brown running round to set the standards and demand compliance. Good luck to him.

 

[00Stinger]

Pass me a violin. Sorry, but really ... he was the one whose manager started ringing round early in the season, long before he was sent to Casey etc. etc. He's also the one who according to reports, didn't lose the weight he was asked to (funny thing is, he has done now at Brisbane, and look at the results ...), or follow instructions on rotations.

I'm in the "love the coach, hate the coach, you don't put yourself above the team" camp. Unfortunately for Brett, we didn't have Simon Black or Jonathan Brown running round to set the standards and demand compliance. Good luck to him.

Your right, our midfield looks a ton better without him

 

[bing181]

Your right, our midfield looks a ton better without him

Not a refutation. By that logic, we should sign up Fevola.

 

[00Stinger]

Not a refutation. By that logic, we should sign up Fevola.

Apples and oranges

 

[Tulip]

Pass me a violin. Sorry, but really ... he was the one whose manager started ringing round early in the season, long before he was sent to Casey etc. etc. He's also the one who according to reports, didn't lose the weight he was asked to (funny thing is, he has done now at Brisbane, and look at the results ...), or follow instructions on rotations.

I'm in the "love the coach, hate the coach, you don't put yourself above the team" camp. Unfortunately for Brett, we didn't have Simon Black or Jonathan Brown running round to set the standards and demand compliance. Good luck to him.

He didn't bad mouth the coach, he just said he didn't believe in him.

Imagine this; you're reigning best and fairest winner and captaincy hopeful. Some of the first words you hear from the new coach:

1. Lose 8kgs or you'll never play for this club again
2. You're out of the leadership group

We've backed Neeld on this and given him a chance for 18 months, time to look at Beamer's side of the story.

 

[Tulip]

Not a refutation. By that logic, we should sign up Fevola.

Was unaware that Brendan Fevola played for Melbourne for 8 years, supported them as a kid and did a whole lot of behind the scenes work with the younger Dees players.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

They look average because opposition sides are having 120 inside 50's a game.

No mate they look average because they're not playing well and part of that is being less organized without Rivers.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

Everytime something is printed or broadcast about Mark Neeld i lose a little more faith in him than i had the previous day. Seriously you would hope clubs learnt from past mistakes eg. Junior.

But Beamer wasn't a mistake. I mean, Beamer made the mistake of choosing not to give the new coach his respect, and that led to him eventually choosing to leave the club. The club (and Neeld) did nothing wrong regards Brent Moloney.

 

[stretcharmstrong]

He didn't bad mouth the coach, he just said he didn't believe in him.

Imagine this; you're reigning best and fairest winner and captaincy hopeful. Some of the first words you hear from the new coach:

1. Lose 8kgs or you'll never play for this club again
2. You're out of the leadership group

We've backed Neeld on this and given him a chance for 18 months, time to look at Beamer's side of the story.

No it's not. It will never be time to look at Brent's side of the story. Brent was in the wrong, nothing else to say.

Those words were never spoken to him, so stop talking bullshit. Just like Neeld never said to the players "anybody who goes through the corridor will be playing for Casey".

So much bullshit gets spouted... Makes my brain hurt.

 

[Tulip]

No it's not. It will never be time to look at Brent's side of the story. Brent was in the wrong, nothing else to say.

I'm so pleased to hear that, I was so worried that Neeld was putting our players' noses out of joint!

 

[stretcharmstrong]

C'mon, the coach is the head honcho, the big cheese, the muther****in boss! It's really on the players with big egos to humble themselves and give a new coach a chance. You do it for the club and your team mates if nothing else.

 

[ThePuppetMaster]

C'mon, the coach is the head honcho, the big cheese, the muther****in boss! It's really on the players with big egos to humble themselves and give a new coach a chance. You do it for the club and your team mates if nothing else.

That's irrelevant - of course you SHOULD do what the coach wants, but if you've got a boss you genuinely dislike your performance will be down and you'll want to GTFO as soon as possible - no matter what the profession is.

 

[bing181]

Was unaware that Brendan Fevola played for Melbourne for 8 years, supported them as a kid and did a whole lot of behind the scenes work with the younger Dees players.

Is it really not possible to follow the thread of a discussion and argue to the points being presented?