Jayco AlUla thread

[eth-dog]

Thoughts on Jayco plans moving forward;
Sprinters - Chase Groves return, De Lie?
GC - Hindley return?
Classics & one day races - seems the team targeted riders towards this for this season and looks solid so far

Won't be able to afford De Lie. Groves is ideal, depending on salary. I wouldn't be surprised if we look internally to develop GC between Covi, De Pretto and Pickering.

Ackerman is a better sprinter than what a lot of teams have. They don't have the budget for anybody on medium or above salary unless money gets freed up by a transfer.

Ackerman won't get many wins but a lot of places IMO. Our sprint train isn't great and he's not as good as Groenewegen. But he'll get bulk points importantly.

They'll get there you would think.


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Yeah, we need to dominate the Aussie summers every year tbh.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Won't be able to afford De Lie. Groves is ideal, depending on salary. I wouldn't be surprised if we look internally to develop GC between Covi, De Pretto and Pickering.

Ackerman won't get many wins but a lot of places IMO. Our sprint train isn't great and he's not as good as Groenewegen. But he'll get bulk points importantly.

Yeah, we need to dominate the Aussie summers every year tbh.

I don't quite understand the strategy or the prestige of scheduling various races, but taking a decent team to these 1.1 races in Spain seem like a big win in terms of points available vs. competition vying for them.

 

[Vader]

I don't quite understand the strategy or the prestige of scheduling various races, but taking a decent team to these 1.1 races in Spain seem like a big win in terms of points available vs. competition vying for them.

It's how Astana bulked up their points last year - sent strong teams to the minor races, and barely bothered showing up to the major races. They knew their best wasn't going to be good enough to claim points in races like the TDF, so they basically gave them away and focused on races they could be effective in.

 

[yaco55]

The three priorities for Jayco will be pursuing Groves, retaining Schmid and deciding if they retain O'Connor. gee, Ackermann started a headwind sprint with 300 metres to go. You needed to be patient and make it a 50 metre sprint.

 

[Orange Agent]

The three priorities for Jayco will be pursuing Groves, retaining Schmid and deciding if they retain O'Connor. gee, Ackermann started a headwind sprint with 300 metres to go. You needed to be patient and make it a 50 metre sprint.

What else could he do? They got the lead out way wrong.

 

[Orange Agent]

Ackerman won't get many wins but a lot of places IMO. Our sprint train isn't great and he's not as good as Groenewegen. But he'll get bulk points importantly.

Agree with this, he will be consistent and get top 5's. I think wasting time chasing Welsford when they could have invested that time into trying to get Plowright is a massive mistake.

 

[eth-dog]

Agree with this, he will be consistent and get top 5's. I think wasting time chasing Welsford when they could have invested that time into trying to get Plowright is a massive mistake.

Agreed. Plowright is the perfect second sprinter. Next year you tell him that we drop Ackermann, he'll be racing for himself in 2028. But also you can sign Groves 3 years and promise the same thing at the end of this or next year.

The lead out train is an issue. Mezgec is good but is retiring. O'Brien basically the only good lead out rider now (Schmid and Bling are good in a selective sprint but shit on a lead out) and it's a big issue. I'd almost go to Ackermann and say "We want you to have Kell, Caputo and Sutterlin this year". They are his train the next 2 years.

 

[yaco55]

Dont want Plowright in the jayco team because he is a loose cannon who does his own things in races and doesn't follow team orders. Think you will find that Donaldson is being groomed as a lead our rider, but Jayco could do with one or two more riders to fill the train.

 

[eth-dog]

Dont want Plowright in the jayco team because he is a loose cannon who does his own things in races and doesn't follow team orders. Think you will find that Donaldson is being groomed as a lead our rider, but Jayco could do with one or two more riders to fill the train.

I don't care if he's being "groomed" for it, he hasn't proven shit at it. I'll take a "loose cannon" as you say to have a quality rider when we carry so many passengers like Porter, McKenzie, Donaldson, Hellemose, CJJ and many more that I'm forgetting. We can be a team that finishes mid table every triennium instead of struggling to stay up.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Anyone showing particular promise in the devo team?

 

[Orange Agent]

Anyone showing particular promise in the devo team?

They are all in on Will Holmes but Baudry is just as good. Lucas Stevenson will be the big watch to see where he signs but he has only just turned 18. Holmes and Mannion are the only ones in the Dev team and have been gifted WT contracts after that without doing much.

 

[yaco55]

I don't care if he's being "groomed" for it, he hasn't proven shit at it. I'll take a "loose cannon" as you say to have a quality rider when we carry so many passengers like Porter, McKenzie, Donaldson, Hellemose, CJJ and many more that I'm forgetting. We can be a team that finishes mid table every triennium instead of struggling to stay up.

Plowright is not a good enough rider to be a loose cannon. There is a reason why Plowright got a last minute one year extention with Alpecin who is a sprint team. Surely if Plowright such a good rider then Alyou

They are all in on Will Holmes but Baudry is just as good. Lucas Stevenson will be the big watch to see where he signs but he has only just turned 18. Holmes and Mannion are the only ones in the Dev team and have been gifted WT contracts after that without doing much.

Actually the men and women's development team is looking good for 2026. Holmes did not develop in 2025, so hoping he can jump forward in 2026. Mannion is good, while watch out for Colombo and Verbugge and finally Rafferty s

I don't care if he's being "groomed" for it, he hasn't proven shit at it. I'll take a "loose cannon" as you say to have a quality rider when we carry so many passengers like Porter, McKenzie, Donaldson, Hellemose, CJJ and many more that I'm forgetting. We can be a team that finishes mid table every triennium instead of struggling to stay up.

There is areason why Alpecin a sprint focused team who lost a dearth of domestiques in the off seson offered Plowright a one year. There is reason why he could not find a contract elsewhere.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Muscat classic
Mauro 1st
Plapp 3rd

Good start to the year already for Jayco but I think that win is important for their team confidence.

Haven’t seen highlights but it was those 3 with Yates finishing 10 seconds ahead of the rest so you think good team tactics must have come into it

 

[eth-dog]

Muscat classic
Mauro 1st
Plapp 3rd

Good start to the year already for Jayco but I think that win is important for their team confidence.

Haven’t seen highlights but it was those 3 with Yates finishing 10 seconds ahead of the rest so you think good team tactics must have come into it

Plapp would have sacrificed the win to lead Schmid out (who was obviously the quickest of the three) and finish 1/3.

Need to re-sign Schmid ASAP

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Plapp would have sacrificed the win to lead Schmid out (who was obviously the quickest of the three) and finish 1/3.

Need to re-sign Schmid ASAP

On PCS live says that double attacked with 7km to go and thinned the peloton with the final 3 getting away 5km from the end. Plapp as you said pulled the group to the finish line and Schmidt outsprinted Yates as expected. Seems like 3 strong rides created the win.

 

[yaco55]

Muscat classic
Mauro 1st
Plapp 3rd

Good start to the year already for Jayco but I think that win is important for their team confidence.

Haven’t seen highlights but it was those 3 with Yates finishing 10 seconds ahead of the rest so you think good team tactics must have come into it

They were the three strongest over the climb. They all contributed on the plateau and descent. Jayco played it well with one attack from Plapp which was brought back by yates and then Schmid waited for the sprint. They should be able to get two or in the top 10 of the GC.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

They were the three strongest over the climb. They all contributed on the plateau and descent. Jayco played it well with one attack from Plapp which was brought back by yates and then Schmid waited for the sprint. They should be able to get two or in the top 10 of the GC.

Is this part of the tour of Oman or a standalone one day race?

 

[yaco55]

Is this part of the tour of Oman or a standalone one day race?

One day race. Jayco got 393 points out of the race.

 

[eth-dog]

Interesting that Ackermann is doing the Giro and Tour double. Honestly feel like if we're serious about BOC GC we can't afford to give him more than Mezgec in the Giro.

 

[Daka]

Plapp ahead of BOC now as a GC rider? asking for a friend...

 

[Orange Agent]

Interesting that Ackermann is doing the Giro and Tour double. Honestly feel like if we're serious about BOC GC we can't afford to give him more than Mezgec in the Giro.

That's all it really needs to be. Let the strong sprint teams control it and use a Durbridge or similar to bring them up between 2-1 km to go. He may not even get a lead out guy for the Tour. Given the points run deeper at GT's the focus will be on top 5 rather than winning. This was all Mezgec did at UAE Tour and ends up with more points than Welsford.

 

[eth-dog]

That's all it really needs to be. Let the strong sprint teams control it and use a Durbridge or similar to bring them up between 2-1 km to go. He may not even get a lead out guy for the Tour. Given the points run deeper at GT's the focus will be on top 5 rather than winning. This was all Mezgec did at UAE Tour and ends up with more points than Welsford.

I think it's more likely that he gets somewhat of a train at the Tour, maybe Bling, De Bondt and O'Brien.

 

[The Kings Ransom]

Bling schedule on PCS does say TDF

 

[eth-dog]

Bling schedule on PCS does say TDF

He normally does

 

[yaco55]

Interesting that Ackermann is doing the Giro and Tour double. Honestly feel like if we're serious about BOC GC we can't afford to give him more than Mezgec in the Giro.

First, BOC needs to show semblance of form. Second, Ackermann is not riding the TDF, despite what is listed on the PCS. Third Ackermann needs to find some form, although having mezgec by his side will help him with positioning in the final.