Speculation Jed Walter

[Jirik13]

You are paying for what he has shown he can produce and so far thats VFL standard. Based on this logic Shanahan was a 2nd rounder and you are not paying for immediate production though so perhaps he is worth pick 20 now?

I think you undervalue Walter. Re-watch his first 3 games this year, in only 56-66% ToG he averaged 2 goals per game and still shanked a couple of shots. I liked what I saw. He showed some nice leads, he always contest, shows pressure, got speed. IMO, he did improve this year.

In his last game so far against Hawks Dimma tried 4 talls. It did not work, Walter looked poor but so all other talls and the rest of team.

It takes time for forwards to develop. Not his fault that Dimma decided to resuscitate JUH career.

IMO, clubs would be willing to pay middle 1st round pick for him this off-season. Yeah, not you.

i must be going nuts because i dont think walter has shown anything beyond his athletic traits, which are undeniable.

he has been exceptionally underwhelming in nearly all of his appearances at afl level to date.

compare to caddy, morris, and o'sullivan from same draft

croft and dear not on the level of the above but have also shown much more than walter.

he still has time on his side but any club willing to put up premium draft capital for him would be taking a significant risk that he comes good based on his draft position more than anything else.

 

[Tugga27]

Why not, we are WA3. Gets to come home for a few weeks without coming home.

It makes more sense than 15 other clubs.

I'm trying not be a smarty, but reckon if he goes to Melbourne, it will be to a big club or a club in contention.

 

[Turksta84]

Id be suprised if clubs werent willing to give up a pick around 10 for him. Can see a fit at Coll, Stk, North, Carl and reckon be perfect for Geelong

 

[Chip Scab1]

I'm trying not be a smarty, but reckon if he goes to Melbourne, it will be to a big club or a club in contention.

How smart can you be? Let's be real here.

We won't be in contention in 2027? Reckon we make week 2 of the finals next year, at least. With a bit of luck to our kids with talent, who knows, maybe even week 3.

 

[Tugga27]

How smart can you be? Let's be real here.

We won't be in contention in 2027? Reckon we make week 2 of the finals next year, at least. With a bit of luck to our kids with talent, who knows, maybe even week 3.

I am being real.

If he wants to go to a Melbourne club in contention, North wouldn't be high.

I don't know what you're basing your optimism on that you might make prelim final week next year.

You have to make top 10 first.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I am being real.

If he wants to go to a Melbourne club in contention, North wouldn't be high.

I don't know what you're basing your optimism on that you might make prelim final week next year.

You have to make top 10 first.

Your opinion is based on one-off game in 35 degree heat. So you're hardly being realistic. He doesn't want to go Freo, Bris, GC, Crows.. no other teams are competing or closer to actually competing than North.

You're deluded if you think this current rendition of Hawthorn or Geelong or Collingwood are closer than North. Totally deluded. They aren't.
Hawthorn maybe but most likely not.

 

[Tugga27]

Your opinion is based on one-off game in 35 degree heat. So you're hardly being realistic. He doesn't want to go Freo, Bris, GC, Crows.. no other teams are competing or closer to actually competing than North.

You're deluded if you think this current rendition of Hawthorn or Geelong or Collingwood are closer than North. Totally deluded. They aren't.
Hawthorn maybe but most likely not.

I'm not basing it on 1 game.

You're in Laa Land if you think you're in front of Hawthorn Geelong, Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

I'm basing it on North having one of the easiest, if not the easiest draw this year.

You've improved, I'll give you that.
But I reckon you've gotten way ahead of yourself.

I don't think you will make the top 10 this year.

 

[Chip Scab1]

I'm not basing it on 1 game.

You're in Laa Land if you think you're in front of Hawthorn Geelong, Collingwood and the Bulldogs.

I'm basing it on North having one of the easiest, if not the easiest draw this year.

You've improved, I'll give you that.
But I reckon you've gotten way ahead of yourself.

I don't think you will make the top 10 this year.

Mate, we have Goad, George, Goater, Whitlock, Dawson, Archer, Threadgold yet to play a game yet. Wardlaw didn't play last week... Where do think they'd be on your list of talented kids?

You have no idea what you're talking about, just like I have no idea about the big birds. They're really none of my concern.

You're a complete fraud if you can't see we actually have Collingwood and Geelong covered at anything remotely resembling full strength.

Losing to teams who have gun 35 year olds isn't really an issue for a team whose core is 19,20,21.

 

[Tugga27]

Mate, we have Goad, George, Goater, Whitlock, Dawson, Archer, Threadgold yet to play a game yet. Wardlaw didn't play last week... Where do think they'd be on your list of talented kids?

You have no idea what you're talking about, just like I have no idea about the big birds. They're really none of my concern.

You're a complete fraud if you can't see we actually have Collingwood and Geelong covered at anything remotely resembling full strength.

Losing to teams who have gun 35 year olds isn't really an issue for a team whose core is 19,20,21.

Looks like you need a reality check.

You've played 6 of the bottom 8 sides.
You haven't beaten anyone of note.

Played 2 top 8 sides and have lost both of them.

Rather than talking of preliminary finals and covering Geelong and Collingwood, maybe your first aim should be trying to make the top 10, which will be considered a win.

 

[Pomsta]

Id be suprised if clubs werent willing to give up a pick around 10 for him. Can see a fit at Coll, Stk, North, Carl and reckon be perfect for Geelong

Honestly, I think his perfect fit would be Melbourne and their 1st rounder would be just about the perfect pick for him. Upgrade on every tall forward they have and would be a difference maker there.

 

[txbyhull]

Looks like you need a reality check.

You've played 6 of the bottom 8 sides.
You haven't beaten anyone of note.

Played 2 top 8 sides and have lost both of them.

Rather than talking of preliminary finals and covering Geelong and Collingwood, maybe your first aim should be trying to make the top 10, which will be considered a win.

Same guy that said Duursma, Trembath, Larkey and Curtis will be the best forward line in the comp for the next 6 years. Just so you know what you’re dealing with.

 

[Tugga27]

Same guy that said Duursma, Trembath, Larkey and Curtis will be the best forward line in the comp for the next 6 years. Just so you know what you’re dealing with.

LOL

I didn't but thought it was going that way.

Him saying North are a destination club pretty much says it all.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

West Coast should be offering Walter 1.5m over 8 years provided he walks into the pre season draft and they can acquire him for zilch. Tell him the offer drops to 1m if they have to trade for him.

 

[Chip Scab1]

LOL

I didn't but thought it was going that way.

Him saying North are a destination club pretty much says it all.

I never said, say whatever you want about me in regards to what I have posted, there's enough to dine on. But please don't make things up to make your little life feel better.

That's on you and has nothing to do with me.

I said we are a decent fit, (a want not a need), there's a difference. I understand we aren't a destination club, everyone with a brain would, however we're not the cats we were 2 years ago and our future is brighter than the HOK, believe it or not. It just is.

 

[Jirik13]

Back to Jed?

 

[txbyhull]

Back to Jed?

Melbourne club with a back half of the first rounder that need a forward and think they’re closer to competing than just picking one themselves.

I’d like Melbourne to throw one of their 2 first rounders at him. Likely their own but given they’ll be 6-3 this weekend could be Gold Coast’s

 

[Lana]

As long as he is getting semi regular games, kicking goals and is contracted he'll hold most of his value. If any of those drop then his trade value will plummet and someone could get a massive bargain. Felt like GC should have done a trade during the last offseason, could have used him to grab Curnow with Petracca.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

As long as he is getting semi regular games, kicking goals and is contracted he'll hold most of his value. If any of those drop then his trade value will plummet and someone could get a massive bargain. Felt like GC should have done a trade during the last offseason, could have used him to grab Curnow with Petracca.

He literally cant even take a mark in the VFL and is being well and truly surpassed by Max Gruzewski at that level by a absolute mile whose worth a 3rd rounder at best.

Anyone wanting this bloke is insane

 

[Jirik13]

He literally cant even take a mark in the VFL and is being well and truly surpassed by Max Gruzewski at that level by a absolute mile whose worth a 3rd rounder at best.

Anyone wanting this bloke is insane

Maybe it's you, haha.

One of my favourite Eagles players is Shanahan. I am sure you would agree he is a great talent.

Walter's ToG in AFL this year is 62%, Shanahan's 88%. Despite that, guess who averages more goals and contested marks this year.

 

[Obeanie1]

Honestly, I think his perfect fit would be Melbourne and their 1st rounder would be just about the perfect pick for him. Upgrade on every tall forward they have and would be a difference maker there.

Upgrade on Van Rooyan?

He has shown 10 x what Walter's has and Van Rooyan has been playing in a weaker side with very little support from other talls.

 

[Obeanie1]

As long as he is getting semi regular games, kicking goals and is contracted he'll hold most of his value. If any of those drop then his trade value will plummet and someone could get a massive bargain. Felt like GC should have done a trade during the last offseason, could have used him to grab Curnow with Petracca.

Well he will be out of contract at seasons end.

Agreed, they should have taken Curnow and used Walter to get him last trade period.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Maybe it's you, haha.

One of my favourite Eagles players is Shanahan. I am sure you would agree he is a great talent.

Walter's ToG in AFL this year is 62%, Shanahan's 88%. Despite that, guess who averages more goals and contested marks this year.

Guess who plays for a good team and who doesnt though? I think the proof is in the results. Walter is in the VFL and struggling right now. Ignoring that cos he was pick 3 3 years ago isnt how clubs operate. Its how people here operate for some reason

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

Well he will be out of contract at seasons end.

Agreed, they should have taken Curnow and used Walter to get him last trade period.

Should have turfed him in the Ethan Read vs Jed Walter decision. If they just gave Walter up instead of pick 6. they could have a more ideal player at the club like Tauru or Murphy Reid

 

[Jirik13]

Guess who plays for a good team and who doesnt though? I think the proof is in the results. Walter is in the VFL and struggling right now. Ignoring that cos he was pick 3 3 years ago isnt how clubs operate. Its how people here operate for some reason

Suns are average team so far this year, with midfield ranked bottom 4. Hardly ideal for forwards.

For me personally, Jed showed this year enough progress despite limited time and being shuffled through different roles including ruck.

Forget VFL, it's a crazy competition, every game Suns top up with 6-8 former/current academy kids who are/were not even good in academy.

Here is my prediction. Unless King or JUH leave Jed will move on. He will end up on a good or up-and-coming team. The team will pay 1st round pick. With regular time and a defined role will become 50-60 goals forward within 1-2 years.

Personally, I am a bit disappointed Jed will not play tomorrow as some of Jed's best games were in Darwin. Read had quite ordinary game against GWS but Dimma loves him. Maybe he will play against Port if Read is average again.

Let's see. I just feel like you and some others are way too harsh on Jed. Just different opinion.

As a fun, bloody former Port coach Hinkley would prefer to keep Jed over Ben King based on contest. Who is insane now?

 

[CaseySibosadoHOF]

Ignoring that cos he was pick 3 3 years ago isnt how clubs operate. Its how people here operate for some reason

Every 1st round picked, 1st to 4th year player traded in the 2020s and their prices:

• Chesser - pick 14 - traded for pick 41
• Konstanty - pick 20 - essentially nothing, he would've been delisted if North didn't want him
• Dylan Stephens - pick 5 - future end of first rounder + 44, 25 going the other way
• Liam Henry - pick 9 (**** SOS) - F2 with a swap of F4s
• Hollands - pick 7 - essentially nothing, F3 for a F4 with a swap of picks in the 20s
• Bruhn - pick 12 - pick 18
• Jackson - pick 3 - pick 13, a F1 and a F2 with steak knives the other way
• Rankine - pick 3 - pick 5 with a swap of later picks
• JHF - pick 1 - Port gave up pick 8, a F1 and about a million later picks involved, but they also got Rioli
• Cooper Stephens - pick 16 - essentially nothing
• Oliver Henry - pick 17 - basically pick 25
• Cerra - pick 5 - pick 6 + F3
• Clark - pick 15 - pick 22 with a swap of later picks
• Caldwell - pick 11 - pick 29 and a F2, with later picks going the other way
• Stephenson - pick 6 - pick 26, swap of picks in the 30s, then a later pick and Bosenavulagi
• Higgins - pick 17 - a F2 and an upgrade from pick 21 to pick 17

I think there's a lot of names there that would go substantially lower if they were later picks. The through line I'd draw is that pick status holds a player's trade value unless they pretty conclusively disprove it by being rubbish, injuries, or off-field reasons.

I wouldn't put Walter's play in the same tier as Chesser, Konstanty, Stephens (either one), or Hollands (off-field). So I'd be shocked if whoever gets him is paying substantially less than a late 1st.