Jesse Smith

[The Zebra]

I would grab him without any hesitation if his Medical Tests show there is SOME chance of a full recovery from his ankle.

Latest medical tests have upgraded his ankle injury from bone on bone to bone marrow on bone marrow. Keep away.

 

[GuyIncognito]

It's an example that even if you have the best medical treatment available to you, it doesn't mean you will suddenly have your injuries cured and be fit to play a professional sport. I understand if Smith wants to move on, but if people are saying it's because he'll get better medical treatment elsewhere, well that's just bullshit.

Of course not, that is obvious. So J. Smith should just pack up his bags because, as you have stated, "his body is simply not up to it,"? What a silly notion. Whilst there is a chance of playing AFL he may as well pursue that hope.

He is well within his rights to seek out clubs who may approach his situation differently and who have better facilities and resources. It's not hard to imagine that this would be a significant priority when finding a new home and the media have reported exactly this.

 

[budge11]

If a "Joel MacDonald" is the market rate for Jess Smith then I reckon the Crows (which would fit the bill re well resourced medical staff) should throw an offer out there.

Any one of Richard Douglas, Jon Griffin or Brent Reilly would have similar or better credentials to JM and would get more opportunities presumably with North.

Feel for the Roos though if they are seeing a potential gun sliding away.

Sups. I'd talk if he was wanting a move to Melb

 

[Pres]

It appears that J. Smith wants to move on and one of his caveats is that he is off-loaded to a club, with what he perceives to be, an accomplished medical department. Why wouldn't he want to get the best help (as he sees it) available? It's not just about visiting specialists.

I don't understand your last part of this paragraph. If you are looking to treat an acute othopaedic injury like Jesse has - who else are you going to bring in other than orthopaedic surgeons?

Do you have these resources in house or are you saying your full time medical staff (ie club doctor + physios) would be in a better position to assess his injuries than the orthopaedic specialists we've spent 3 years consulting with?

 

[Vader]

If a "Joel MacDonald" is the market rate for Jess Smith then I reckon the Crows (which would fit the bill re well resourced medical staff) should throw an offer out there.

Any one of Richard Douglas, Jon Griffin or Brent Reilly would have similar or better credentials to JM and would get more opportunities presumably with North.

Feel for the Roos though if they are seeing a potential gun sliding away.

Griffin's on the table. Reilly & Douglas are not. Reilly only just signed a new 2-year contract, which was announced at the club B&F last Friday.

 

[efcboy]

trying to be impartial (after reading some ridiculous posts):

jesse smith - huge talent. Trade Value is a draft pick from 25-40 i'd say.

As for medical staffings - the specialists (ie orthopaedic surgeons etc) are not employed by AFL clubs! There is a higher quantity and thus quality of medical specialists in Melbourne as opposed to Geelong. FACT.

 

[GuyIncognito]

I don't understand your last part of this paragraph. If you are looking to treat an acute othopaedic injury like Jesse has - who else are you going to bring in other than orthopaedic surgeons

Referring to rehabilitation, weights/training programs etc.

Do you have these resources in house or are you saying your full time medical staff (ie club doctor + physios) would be in a better position to assess his injuries than the orthopaedic specialists we've spent 3 years consulting with?

No idea. But Geelong has shown a willingness to send a player overseas to see experts in the past. They may see the situation from another angle, who knows.

Once again, this comes down to what J. Smith perceives and it seems that a major motivation for him to go to another club is to experience a different medical/fitness team.

As for medical staffings - the specialists (ie orthopaedic surgeons etc) are not employed by AFL clubs! There is a higher quantity and thus quality of medical specialists in Melbourne as opposed to Geelong. FACT.

No shit? Really? Relevance to this discussion?

 

[LeFtBehinD]

Based on his potential alone I wouldnt feel compensated unless it was at least a 1st round pick. Given his injury concerns 2nd round would be realistic.

Still would rather keep him and hope he gets it right.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

He has no currency. Not even a second rounder would be realistic, given he is out of contract, hasn't played in two years and is no guarantee to ever play again.

 

[GuyIncognito]

So what is the oil regarding his injuries. What are the chances of him returning to full fitness? Anyone with inside info? Some snippets in this thread which is good and I guess that's what compensation is going to come down to. I doubt a first round pick is coming the Roos way no matter what the diagnosis is.

 

[shagger_grant]

maybe if mumford wants out to sydney,maybe a three way trade with sydney passing a pick on to us

 

[vinum coupe]

maybe if mumford wants out to sydney,maybe a three way trade with sydney passing a pick on to us

So in effect mumford for JWS?

I think I'd fall off my chair

 

[Rahingo]

trying to be impartial (after reading some ridiculous posts):

jesse smith - huge talent. Trade Value is a draft pick from 25-40 i'd say.

As for medical staffings - the specialists (ie orthopaedic surgeons etc) are not employed by AFL clubs! There is a higher quantity and thus quality of medical specialists in Melbourne as opposed to Geelong. FACT.

huge talent, however he has only played 2 games in 2 years... id say 35+ pick worthy.

of course AFL clubs dont have their own orthopdic sugeons, however im pretty sure that Melbourne is only an hours drive down the highway from Geelong. FACT. And im sure that Geelong have more funds avaliable to them to try out new and different treatments (like sending Max to Germany) unlike North...

 

[ragtop]

if we traded him for laycock, who would be the winner?

 

[John Dorian]

if we traded him for laycock, who would be the winner?

Essendon.
We have enough ruckmen as it is.

Also with Smith the thing is he is worth a first round pick.... potential wise. But he is also worth jack all injury wise as there is no guarantee that he'll stay fit.
I would be happy with Wojo but I would also be happy with a pick somewhere 25-40 in the draft.

 

[kangas forever]

huge talent, however he has only played 2 games in 2 years... id say 35+ pick worthy.

of course AFL clubs dont have their own orthopdic sugeons, however im pretty sure that Melbourne is only an hours drive down the highway from Geelong. FACT. And im sure that Geelong have more funds avaliable to them to try out new and different treatments (like sending Max to Germany) unlike North...

That is a ridiculous statement. Money has nothing to do with it.
Rooke's problem is totally different to Smith's. All the money in the world will not fix Smith's injury.
Not every hamstring injury is the same and half of Smith's problem is his attitude to rehab and his professionalism. I cant say for sure but i would think Rooke prepares himself a lot better than Smith. Unfortunately for us.

 

[Thewlis Dish]

if we traded him for laycock, who would be the winner?

You, because you'd get rid of Laycock.

 

[KevinCat07]

Essendon.
We have enough ruckmen as it is.

Also with Smith the thing is he is worth a first round pick.... potential wise. But he is also worth jack all injury wise as there is no guarantee that he'll stay fit.
I would be happy with Wojo but I would also be happy with a pick somewhere 25-40 in the draft.

Yeah, potential is a nasty word, and I would agree with you that without injury he probably is worth a first round pick quite easily, but It won't hurt you to have a 29 wojo who could serve you for 2-3 maybe 4 years over a 25-40 pick in a weak draft even if it is against your current policies, though if you can get both (wojo and the pick) off us well done.

 

[ragtop]

You, because you'd get rid of Laycock.

 

[Pres]

of course AFL clubs dont have their own orthopdic sugeons, however im pretty sure that Melbourne is only an hours drive down the highway from Geelong. FACT. And im sure that Geelong have more funds avaliable to them to try out new and different treatments (like sending Max to Germany) unlike North...

Just another silly blanket statement with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

So you're saying that if we could send Smith to Germany for the same treatment and he would be fixed that we would not be able to afford it? What are you trying to say?

 

[jezza988]

Just another silly blanket statement with no evidence whatsoever to back it up.

So you're saying that if we could send Smith to Germany for the same treatment and he would be fixed that we would not be able to afford it? What are you trying to say?

i think its pretty clear what he is saying, your broke!

 

[John Dorian]

i think its pretty clear what he is saying, your broke!

You have to realise that all of his injuries in his leg are related to an ankle problem. Nothing to do with the muscle it is all about the bone in his ankle.

Sure we could have sent him to Germany, it might have made his hammy perfect for now, but as the injury was related to his ankle in the first place it is pointless because the injury to his hammy would just happen again.

 

[Pres]

orthopdic sugeons,

your broke!

Thanks for the clarification. Maybe your cashed up club can put on some cut price English as a second language classes for you and your mate?

 

[Bear1]

That is a ridiculous statement. Money has nothing to do with it.
Rooke's problem is totally different to Smith's. All the money in the world will not fix Smith's injury.
Not every hamstring injury is the same and half of Smith's problem is his attitude to rehab and his professionalism. I cant say for sure but i would think Rooke prepares himself a lot better than Smith. Unfortunately for us.

If North Melb were a decent club with some money in there football department he would of recieved the correct treatment for his injuries. Questioning his attitude and professionalism is a cop out just trying to protect the footy club. By going to another club it will show how bad north melb are as a football club!

 

[SweetLeftFoot]

North are poor, right? The fact is we'd have taken Jesse to see as many specialists as any club would. Funny how you disregard the rest of my post.

It does amaze me that some people persist with this nonsense.

Jesse has seen the best specialists going.

I would rather gently suggest to that if Jesse's recovery has been hindered, its not by us being too povvo to afford treatment, its because Jesse has a nasty habit of sitting on his arse playing Xbox when he should be doing the rehab prescribed by said specialists.