Jimmy Bartel

[ant555]

I read all up til you said i was thinking we should trade Solly haha, you've put words into my mouth, so you can shoot that theory down hahahaha .. if i had read anymore i think i might have been laughing for longer than i wanted too...

I never said trade for a decent player either ... i said AND PLEASE LISTEN THIS TIME, so you don't waste either of our time more, that it is stupid not to participate in the trade period, based on the talent we have alone, and hoping everything falls into place next year, all because our young guys showed they are going to be pretty good..
If all it took was talent, Freo would prolly be on top of the ladder, and Adelaide wouldn't have been this year ....
If someone(as an example) offered a reasonable player for Henno, would you not take it ? or woudl you say, well nah we'll just delist him and not worry about the trade ?

Are you even an Essendon supporter ? Henno and Bolts not being in... hahahahahahaha ....

R to your infamous solly crap, did i say trade him ?
I said if he along with a few other players play undisclipined footy
get picked to play with injuries
and all the other ******** that went on this year..
we will struggle again next year, no matter how much promise Dyson and Teddy and the likes showed...
This year more than anythings, should have showed you, you need 22 contributors, and if next years team selection is anything like this years, we will strugle yet again ....

In future, would be best if you stick to what i say, and not the points you have a good arguement on, yet where never thrown up .. otherwise you'll have more headaches than you cause

Good to see you revert to insults to get your argument going , nice work that
This started because i said we didnt have to participate in the trade period. No where did i say we shouldnt trade for a good player. My exact words where why do we have to participate!!!!!!!
Why dont you LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE SAID. There is not point participating if we havnt got anything reasonable to offer or have to give away too much !!!!!!!!!! Once again i never said not to have a look but rather why do we have to trade for the sake of trading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now as for being an Essendon supporter, well i have been a member since 1974, i go to 15/16 games a season. I go to all the Bendigo games including the ones in Bendigo even though i live in Melbourne. The facts are simple here, Henno and Bolts where both dropped this year wernt they? answer is yes.No argument!!

Now you seem to have senior players in the gun but as of yet you havnt mentioned them or what to do with them!! now i am not making this up, you continually say we will be stuffed with some of our senior guys, well who are you saying will stuff us? how do you propose to fix it in your opinion? So far i have not see any suggestions of how we can improve our list coming from you.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice and actually read what i have written properly. You can look way back at the start if you like. IMO we dont need to rush into any trades. Did not say we should look or not participate at all. I even followed it up with offering a good reason why we wouldnt get Bartell or others . I was simply being realistic.

 

[ant555]

I said if he along with a few other players play undisclipined footy
get picked to play with injuries
and all the other ******** that went on this year..
we will struggle again next year, no matter how much promise Dyson and Teddy and the likes showed...
This year more than anythings, should have showed you, you need 22 contributors, and if next years team selection is anything like this years, we will strugle yet again ....



This is the bit i like the best because you say here you said it but it is the first time you mentioned it or anything specific along the lines of what you where thinking .I dont have the ability to read minds so if you have something to say best put it in print
Just on having 22 contributors i would have thought our last 8 weeks showed that we where heading in a different direction with our list anyway. Maybe you where not watching close enough.Only one game did we fall away and that was the Hawthorn game when it looked like we turned up expecting to win rather than going out and wroking for a win. Every other game in the last 8 weeks or so we where doing the small things required.

 

[mcphee is king]

Good to see you revert to insults to get your argument going , nice work that
This started because i said we didnt have to participate in the trade period. No where did i say we shouldnt trade for a good player. My exact words where why do we have to participate!!!!!!!
Why dont you LISTEN TO WHAT I HAVE SAID. There is not point participating if we havnt got anything reasonable to offer or have to give away too much !!!!!!!!!! Once again i never said not to have a look but rather why do we have to trade for the sake of trading!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Now as for being an Essendon supporter, well i have been a member since 1974, i go to 15/16 games a season. I go to all the Bendigo games including the ones in Bendigo even though i live in Melbourne. The facts are simple here, Henno and Bolts where both dropped this year wernt they? answer is yes.No argument!!

Now you seem to have senior players in the gun but as of yet you havnt mentioned them or what to do with them!! now i am not making this up, you continually say we will be stuffed with some of our senior guys, well who are you saying will stuff us? how do you propose to fix it in your opinion? So far i have not see any suggestions of how we can improve our list coming from you.
Maybe you should take some of your own advice and actually read what i have written properly. You can look way back at the start if you like. IMO we dont need to rush into any trades. Did not say we should look or not participate at all. I even followed it up with offering a good reason why we wouldnt get Bartell or others . I was simply being realistic.

Firstly, can only be insulted if both parties agree to it being an insult .. and it's true, you've thrown up 3 arguements that i never mentioned .. so good work on that ..

You asked why do we need to participate in the darft ? i said well it's pretty naive to be thinking that way .. but then you changed your story to, well if an apprioate trade comes along, then we'll look ...
so i guess if you keep moving the goal posts, of course your going to win... or if you take your bat and ball and go home...

I'll just ask .. how do you know we have nothing to trade ? do you know the needs and wants of every other AFL club ? Theres been talk about Cupido and Bullen, and Port wanted MJ ... so we do have comidities that other clubs want... (and don't take that as i'd trade MJ .. )

Yes those two players were dropped ... and they were brought back in.. thats that mean end of arguement and i win too ???
Henno would have been in the last few games, so Sheedy could say well look he played 1-2-3 good games.. If you don't think that, well your either stupid or naive .. i'd go with naive at the moment, if you think Hennno wouldn't be in ..
Same As bolton ....


Senior players in the gun...(btw if i go into this, don't assume because i see faults in the players, i want them traded.. iam just not stupid enough to think anyone can just turn things around without doing anything to rectify their problems)
Solomon- start of the year, admitted he had disclipine problems ??? did that improve this year ? no

Rioli- if he is fit ? he hasn't been fit for 3 years, to assume and base a season around him now, is pretty stupid...
yes by all means he can be the cream on the cake, but he shouldn't be relied on to lift the team to great heights..

Fletcher- well he was fit all but the last 3 games ... so adding him in, on paper yes would have us better than most teams, but names on paper don't win you games, the players out on the gound do, and a team that plays together will always beat a team of players..

Mcphee- love him and how he plays 3-5 years he has OP ... add this year with OP and knee tendinitis...

Team selection- picking players who aren't fit ... that'll ******** you up more than not...
also not dropping underperforming players.


The club has alot of problems to rectify... which we all thought would have been done this year (Eg last qtr fade outs) .. but nothing changed and we actually went downhill..

to think we don't need to be active in trade week (which was your first statement) is stupid .... and your backing down, and saying, besides reasonable trades prove it .....

Why do we need to be active in trade week anyway? Put a fit McPhee, Solomon and Rioli plus Fletcher into the side that has played the last two weeks and we would be a finals contender.
Draft some more kids to develop and keep on the same track we have been in the last few drafts.

BTW their is your first post ...

Note no where does it say, besides resonable trades .

 

[Stoney]

Reasonable trade for Batel would be hard to secure, I rekon Lucas would be the only Essendon player that would significantly interest Geelong.

 

[Longy413]

Reasonable trade for Batel would be hard to secure, I rekon Lucas would be the only Essendon player that would significantly interest Geelong.

Not if Bartel is going to walk.

And Lucas will not be going to Geelong and you would have to part with more than Bartel to get him.

Ottens cost you two first rounders, imagine what Lucas would cost.

 

[Stoney]

Considering Collingwood, Carlton and u guys all want Bartel (who will have signed up with Geelong by the time trade period comes around) means that noone will be robbing Geelong by giving something small and expecting Jimmy B in return.

Bartel has more to offer than Lucas anyways, so we'll both be happy if Bartel doesn't go to Essendon!

 

[Longy413]

Considering Collingwood, Carlton and u guys all want Bartel (who will have signed up with Geelong by the time trade period comes around) means that noone will be robbing Geelong by giving something small and expecting Jimmy B in return

What you have to realise is Essendon don't care if they can't get a deal done.
Chances are, Essendon will let Collingwood and Carlton fight over Bartel and we will go after the lesser likes. Why chase Wayne Carey when you can get Adam McPhee etc.
We don't do high profile trades at Essendon so we won't be going aggressively after Bartel.
If we can do a deal, then we will, if Geelong want to much then Collingwood can have him.

Bartel has more to offer than Lucas anyways, so we'll both be happy if Bartel doesn't go to Essendon!

You aren't serious are you?
If Geelong had Lucas you would have finished top 4 and already through to a Prelim.

 

[Stoney]

This year Lucas would've been more benefitcial for us sure ... but think when Bartel is 27 (still 6 seasons until he is - imagine his development) - he will be one of the AFL's best centremen!

 

[ant555]

Firstly, can only be insulted if both parties agree to it being an insult .. and it's true, you've thrown up 3 arguements that i never mentioned .. so good work on that ..

You asked why do we need to participate in the darft ? i said well it's pretty naive to be thinking that way .. but then you changed your story to, well if an apprioate trade comes along, then we'll look ...
so i guess if you keep moving the goal posts, of course your going to win... or if you take your bat and ball and go home...

I'll just ask .. how do you know we have nothing to trade ? do you know the needs and wants of every other AFL club ? Theres been talk about Cupido and Bullen, and Port wanted MJ ... so we do have comidities that other clubs want... (and don't take that as i'd trade MJ .. )

Yes those two players were dropped ... and they were brought back in.. thats that mean end of arguement and i win too ???
Henno would have been in the last few games, so Sheedy could say well look he played 1-2-3 good games.. If you don't think that, well your either stupid or naive .. i'd go with naive at the moment, if you think Hennno wouldn't be in ..
Same As bolton ....


Senior players in the gun...(btw if i go into this, don't assume because i see faults in the players, i want them traded.. iam just not stupid enough to think anyone can just turn things around without doing anything to rectify their problems)
Solomon- start of the year, admitted he had disclipine problems ??? did that improve this year ? no

Rioli- if he is fit ? he hasn't been fit for 3 years, to assume and base a season around him now, is pretty stupid...
yes by all means he can be the cream on the cake, but he shouldn't be relied on to lift the team to great heights..

Fletcher- well he was fit all but the last 3 games ... so adding him in, on paper yes would have us better than most teams, but names on paper don't win you games, the players out on the gound do, and a team that plays together will always beat a team of players..

Mcphee- love him and how he plays 3-5 years he has OP ... add this year with OP and knee tendinitis...

Team selection- picking players who aren't fit ... that'll ******** you up more than not...
also not dropping underperforming players.


The club has alot of problems to rectify... which we all thought would have been done this year (Eg last qtr fade outs) .. but nothing changed and we actually went downhill..

to think we don't need to be active in trade week (which was your first statement) is stupid .... and your backing down, and saying, besides reasonable trades prove it .....




BTW their is your first post ...

Note no where does it say, besides resonable trades .

After reading this latest response i am done with reading anything you write again
Game over.

 

[Longy413]

This year Lucas would've been more benefitcial for us sure ... but think when Bartel is 27 (still 6 seasons until he is - imagine his development) - he will be one of the AFL's best centremen!

And when Bartel is 27 and Geelong don't have the quality up forward to kick winning scores week in week out, the speculation about how good he is will be useless.

 

[Stoney]

And when Bartel is 27 and Geelong don't have the quality up forward to kick winning scores week in week out, the speculation about how good he is will be useless.

BAHAHA dear lord we have a weeeeeener ... i mean wiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnneeer (for the most rediculous post)

How can u judge Bartel on whether or not we'll have a quality forward in 6 years time, Bartel is putting better figures on the board than any Essendon midfielder at 21!

Lucas is very good (at 27 or is it 28?) however considering Bartel has 10 seasons left in him, I don't think it'd be in our interests to give him up for Lucas - and we won't cause despite what everyone on bigfooty is saying Jimmy Bartel will not leave Geelong.

 

[ant555]

BAHAHA dear lord we have a weeeeeener ... i mean wiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnneeer (for the most rediculous post)

How can u judge Bartel on whether or not we'll have a quality forward in 6 years time, Bartel is putting better figures on the board than any Essendon midfielder at 21!

Lucas is very good (at 27 or is it 28?) however considering Bartel has 10 seasons left in him, I don't think it'd be in our interests to give him up for Lucas - and we won't cause despite what everyone on bigfooty is saying Jimmy Bartel will not leave Geelong.

I dont know Stanton is putting up pretty good figures and he is under 21

 

[Longy413]

BAHAHA dear lord we have a weeeeeener ... i mean wiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnneeer (for the most rediculous post)

How can u judge Bartel on whether or not we'll have a quality forward in 6 years time, Bartel is putting better figures on the board than any Essendon midfielder at 21!

Lucas is very good (at 27 or is it 28?) however considering Bartel has 10 seasons left in him, I don't think it'd be in our interests to give him up for Lucas - and we won't cause despite what everyone on bigfooty is saying Jimmy Bartel will not leave Geelong.

What are you going on about????

You are basing your value completely on speculation.
You want Lucas for Bartel. Lucas is worth a far lot more.

What I said was, take Bartel out of Geelong's side this season and throw Lucas in there and you move up the ladder. There is no if's about that. Geelong need a goal kicker, a consistent target. Lucas would give Geelong that.

Bartel is a good midfielder, no better than that. He won't and whether or not he becomes a top line player is pure speculation. Lucas making Geelong a better side is a certainty.

As for Bartel putting up better numbers than any Essendon midfielder. Stanton is averaging 6 more disposals a game than Bartel was when he was 19. Dyson is averaging more and Lovett is also getting more of the footy than Bartel did in his first season.

If Essendon went to Geelong and said, here is Scott Lucas, we want Bartel...the whole city of Geelong would turn itself into a week long street party.

 

[whirl]

Daniel McConnell from West Coast anyone?

 

[Stoney]

If their was an emocation for giving urself a tug u'd get it for sure!!!

Stanton cracked over 20 possessions 6 times, Bartel notched over 20 on 14 occasions. Bartel also leads him in tackles, marks and goals.

Dyson averages 13.5 (i dont know where ur getting ur average for Bartel in his first season - please give the link otherwise I know ur bull**********ten) ... and Lovet is already older than Jimmy Bartel and not as consistant!

In fact out of every Essendon player, only Jason Johnson gets more possessions than Jimmy, and if Bartel was in Essendon colours he'd be:

- Essendon's LEADING tackler
- 2nd on essendon's disposals
- 2nd on essendon's mark (only 4 marks behind Lucas - the so called marking forward)

- 5th on essendon's goalkicking list

Thanks for coming, I was suggesting Geelong would be interested in Lucas - if u dont want to give him thats fine by me, good luck finding another James Bartel floating around!

 

[ant555]

Firstly, can only be insulted if both parties agree to it being an insult .. and it's true, you've thrown up 3 arguements that i never mentioned .. so good work on that ..

You asked why do we need to participate in the darft ? i said well it's pretty naive to be thinking that way .. but then you changed your story to, well if an apprioate trade comes along, then we'll look ...
so i guess if you keep moving the goal posts, of course your going to win... or if you take your bat and ball and go home...

I'll just ask .. how do you know we have nothing to trade ? do you know the needs and wants of every other AFL club ? Theres been talk about Cupido and Bullen, and Port wanted MJ ... so we do have comidities that other clubs want... (and don't take that as i'd trade MJ .. )

Yes those two players were dropped ... and they were brought back in.. thats that mean end of arguement and i win too ???
Henno would have been in the last few games, so Sheedy could say well look he played 1-2-3 good games.. If you don't think that, well your either stupid or naive .. i'd go with naive at the moment, if you think Hennno wouldn't be in ..
Same As bolton ....


Senior players in the gun...(btw if i go into this, don't assume because i see faults in the players, i want them traded.. iam just not stupid enough to think anyone can just turn things around without doing anything to rectify their problems)
Solomon- start of the year, admitted he had disclipine problems ??? did that improve this year ? no

Rioli- if he is fit ? he hasn't been fit for 3 years, to assume and base a season around him now, is pretty stupid...
yes by all means he can be the cream on the cake, but he shouldn't be relied on to lift the team to great heights..

Fletcher- well he was fit all but the last 3 games ... so adding him in, on paper yes would have us better than most teams, but names on paper don't win you games, the players out on the gound do, and a team that plays together will always beat a team of players..

Mcphee- love him and how he plays 3-5 years he has OP ... add this year with OP and knee tendinitis...

Team selection- picking players who aren't fit ... that'll ******** you up more than not...
also not dropping underperforming players.


The club has alot of problems to rectify... which we all thought would have been done this year (Eg last qtr fade outs) .. but nothing changed and we actually went downhill..

to think we don't need to be active in trade week (which was your first statement) is stupid .... and your backing down, and saying, besides reasonable trades prove it .....




BTW their is your first post ...

Note no where does it say, besides resonable trades .

You know what i couldnt help myself, had to have another say



Ok my first comment was and still is a question, why do we need to participate in trade week. No where did it say i thought we shouldnt but more of a question of why? which until your last post no one actually gave any specific reasons. I put up some arguments, normally that is what you do to back up what you are trying to say.As you never really said anything until the last post so well yes you could say i used arguments you didnt bring up.

Now as far as knowing what other clubs want, well it is true i dont know exactly what they want but blind freddy can see we wont get a lot of offers for our scraps. So far i have only seen one player who was genuinly sort out by another club ,MJ, and some speculation that there may be interest in Bullen and Cupido. At the end of the day we are not going to get much in return anyway for the last two. It has nothing to do with knowing what other clubs want and more to do with the fact that huge trades are always mentioned for all clubs but come trade week most dont even come close to coming off. Naive has nothing to do with it. Facing reality and knowing that you simply dont turn over 10 or so players on your list in one season (this is based on Sheedy's quote that 7 or so will be turned over). If he already has 7 in the gun, and going through the list it is very easy to come up with at least 9, then there isnt much chance of even more going.

Now your comments on Henno are simply stupid. So now you are claiming to know what Sheedy is thinking. I will ask this , was he in the side once Hille, Solomon, McpHee and Fletcher where all in the side? No ,once Hille came back he was out. He was dropped twice during the year and only got back in when Laycock,Solomon,Mcphee and Fletcher where out.To come out and use a line like Sheedy would have played him anyway is to put it bluntly , a f*&cked up way to support an argument. It isnt naive , he was in the seconds until those guys got injured.He was dumped twice when not needed. I would be more inclined to call you a total tool on this one.
As for Bolton, slightly diffent story as yes he does seem to get more chances but i get the feeling he too may have been on the outer if we didnt have injury problems. He got back into the side against Sydney to play on Goodes and managed to stay there when we got more injuries.

Players in the gun .

Solomon , rectify his injury problem simple. Was good value every other year except this one.May have a dicipline problem with free's but his best form covers it.It is easy to get stuck into him after one poor season .

Rioli , well i only said with him in the side and fit. My mistake for not mentioning a role but you are putting words in my mouth with what you have said. Has he been fit for 3 years no. Will he be fit, who knows , one would have to presume no on previous years. The role i see him filling is on the bench by the way , giving players like dyson and JJ a rest for a short period.

Fletcher , we i am bemused with what you have to say here. He has delivered this year. Has been fantastic and to put it in simple terms you have no idea if you say otherwise. He hasnt been just a name player.

McPhee i am presuming he only got a run here because he was one of the four i mentioned. Not sure what you are trying to say with him.

Team selection ,hmmm not sure how this has anything to do with participating in trading but i will comment. It was as plain as white balls on a black dog the team selection went down a different path in the last half of the season.Should it have been done earlier, well yes. I was hoping we picked more kids earlier mainly because i belived we would only 9 or 10 games.

Dropping non performing players, well it took some time but it did happen. Several players found their way into the seconds, some a couple of times.It could have happened a bit more and should of in the past but i have to say on this that in his 25 years Sheeds has usually been correct on this 80% of the time.

Now for the clubs problems.Last quarter fade outs , wasnt a huge issue later in the saeson.Once we went with the younger guys we didnt have as many problems with it.
Yes we went down hill as far as wins go and ladder position but it was always going to happen.We had dead wood left over . For you to say we all expected it to be rectified is you being naive or plain stupid. Simply you can not just clean out a list and stay up the ladder. If anything we went too far last season .The result of this was we didnt get rid of a few guys we should have last year.
This year we where always going to struggle.You didnt have to be real smart to see it coming. Now to say we havnt rectified anything is absolute crap. Players like Lovett, Laycock, Lovett - Murray , Stanton and Dyson have proven they are ready to produce. Richards has stood up in the last 5 games and shown he will be a valuable back.Monfies got some good games in his first year. Slattery played a few games and would have played more except fo injury.I would have thought the last 8 weeks showed that we have rectified alot of things. Maybe you are just too stupid to see it.
Lets face it if the side includes Lovett , Stanton,Dyson,Lovett-Murray,Laycock,Richards and Watson you could say we have moved on and tried to change some of the problems we have. We could have 9 differnt players in the side next year.

Now back to the original statement , i still stand by it. In fact i will add that it would be stupid to get involved for the sake of getting involved.
Wether i am proven wrong or right it is yeat to be seen but in my opinion based on seeing all of our list play nearly all games this year is that the list isnt too bad.

 

[ant555]

If their was an emocation for giving urself a tug u'd get it for sure!!!

Stanton cracked over 20 possessions 6 times, Bartel notched over 20 on 14 occasions. Bartel also leads him in tackles, marks and goals.

Dyson averages 13.5 (i dont know where ur getting ur average for Bartel in his first season - please give the link otherwise I know ur bull**********ten) ... and Lovet is already older than Jimmy Bartel and not as consistant!

In fact out of every Essendon player, only Jason Johnson gets more possessions than Jimmy, and if Bartel was in Essendon colours he'd be:

- Essendon's LEADING tackler
- 2nd on essendon's disposals
- 2nd on essendon's mark (only 4 marks behind Lucas - the so called marking forward)

- 5th on essendon's goalkicking list

Thanks for coming, I was suggesting Geelong would be interested in Lucas - if u dont want to give him thats fine by me, good luck finding another James Bartel floating around!

Another in the running for tool of the year
Was Bartell averaging these stats in his second year?
The bottom line is we dont need him, not because he isnt a good player, but for the simple fact that we would have to give up more than what he is worth.

Too bad you cant see the problem with your side, our so called marking ,as you call him ,forward has kicked close to 50 goals while playing a good part of the year in the back line as well.
You my friend are a complete tugger if you think Lucas is an average forward.

 

[Longy413]

Stanton cracked over 20 possessions 6 times, Bartel notched over 20 on 14 occasions. Bartel also leads him in tackles, marks and goals.

Stanton is 19. Bartel 21.
As a 19 year old Bartel got over 20 twice.

Lovet is already older than Jimmy Bartel and not as consistant!

A Lovett v Bartel comparison is a bit of a silly one, both play different roles.
But if you want to play this consistency thing....Lovett had two games this season with under 10 disposals. Bartel 3.

In fact out of every Essendon player, only Jason Johnson gets more possessions than Jimmy, and if Bartel was in Essendon colours he'd be:

- Essendon's LEADING tackler
- 2nd on essendon's disposals
- 2nd on essendon's mark (only 4 marks behind Lucas - the so called marking forward)

- 5th on essendon's goalkicking list

He wouldn't lead Essendon's tackle count on average let's remember Essendon had a lot of injured players this season and Bartel has played every game. We had a development year and tried a lot of players, every player on our list with the exception of 1 played.

On tackles he would be behind Jason Johnson and 0.04 ahead of Mark Johnson. That is second. He would be 2nd in disposals, behind Jason Johnson and only just infront of a host of players.
He would be behind Lucas, McPhee, Stanton, Zantuck, Welsh for marks and only just ahead of Bradley, Lloyd, Murphy, Jason Johnson.

He'd also be 8th on average goals per game.

Thanks for coming, I was suggesting Geelong would be interested in Lucas - if u dont want to give him thats fine by me, good luck finding another James Bartel floating around!

Bartel is a very good player, I haven't once said otherwise. We'd have him. But what I said all along is we wouldn't give up the world to get him and would rather put our interests in going after the less-a-likes such as Salopek etc. He isn't worth Scott Lucas.

Bartel isn't worth two first round picks, you gave that up for Ottens. Now think really hard about what Lucas is worth.

 

[Longy413]

Oh and here is your link -

http://www.footywire.com/fw/web/ft_player_career?pid=493

 

[ant555]

If their was an emocation for giving urself a tug u'd get it for sure!!!

Stanton cracked over 20 possessions 6 times, Bartel notched over 20 on 14 occasions. Bartel also leads him in tackles, marks and goals.

Dyson averages 13.5 (i dont know where ur getting ur average for Bartel in his first season - please give the link otherwise I know ur bull**********ten) ... and Lovet is already older than Jimmy Bartel and not as consistant!

In fact out of every Essendon player, only Jason Johnson gets more possessions than Jimmy, and if Bartel was in Essendon colours he'd be:

- Essendon's LEADING tackler
- 2nd on essendon's disposals
- 2nd on essendon's mark (only 4 marks behind Lucas - the so called marking forward)

- 5th on essendon's goalkicking list

Thanks for coming, I was suggesting Geelong would be interested in Lucas - if u dont want to give him thats fine by me, good luck finding another James Bartel floating around!

Actually Stanton had 9 times over 20 but hey dont let that spoil your story

 

[Stoney]

Actually Stanton had 9 times over 20 but hey dont let that spoil your story

Haha I would say u must have a low IQ ... but do u even have an IQ?

OVER 20 possessions means that u must get MORE than 20 possessions, which means Stanton only got Over 20 possession in 6 games.

But don't let that spoil ur story!

 

[Longy413]

Let's be precious here hey.....

Bartel only got over 14 twice as a 19 year old. And only kicked 3 goals.

 

[Stoney]

Also let me clarify

1) I never said Lucas was an average forward, he's good thats why I said Geelong would be interested.

2) Bartel>Stanton, Bartel>Dyson, Bartel>Lovet - don't bother arguing the last two, u may post good arguments for Stanton but IMO Bartel takes the cake. Dyson and Lovet arn't close and if u think they are then u'd prob. think Henneman is a good player also

3) Despite u all playing down Bartel's undeniable talent, I'm not the one who posted a topic about him in my club's forum saying how much he'd help the side

4) Even optimistic Bombers fans surely must realise that Jimmy Bartel isn't leaving the Cattery and has only put off contract talks to concentrate on playing finals football (something u'r boys need not worry about)

 

[whirl]

Bartel's good but I wouldn't give up a quality CHF/CHB for him in Lucas. Midfielders can be found easier.

 

[Longy413]

Also let me clarify

1) I never said Lucas was an average forward, he's good thats why I said Geelong would be interested.

We know he is good and of greater value than Bartel. That is the point.

2) Bartel>Stanton, Bartel>Dyson, Bartel>Lovet - don't bother arguing the last two, u may post good arguments for Stanton but IMO Bartel takes the cake. Dyson and Lovet arn't close and if u think they are then u'd prob. think Henneman is a good player also

Bartel has played nearly 70 games. Lovett, Dyson, Stanton have played that between them. Their numbers are up there with Bartel in his first two season's. Infact Stanton's blow Bartel's away. Yes Bartel of 2005 is better than Stanton, Dyson and Lovett of 2005. But no Bartel of Season 1/2 is not better than Stanton, Dyson, Lovett in their 1st/2nd season's.

3) Despite u all playing down Bartel's undeniable talent, I'm not the one who posted a topic about him in my club's forum saying how much he'd help the side

No one is playing down Bartel's talent. That is the reason there is a thread about him. Not to many wouldn't welcome him to the club. He would be fantastic addition to our side. The reason you are being shot down is because you think he is worth Scott Lucas. He isn't.

4) Even optimistic Bombers fans surely must realise that Jimmy Bartel isn't leaving the Cattery and has only put off contract talks to concentrate on playing finals football (something u'r boys need not worry about)

He put off contract talks a long time before Geelong were assured a finals spot.