Jobe!

[Hosko]

Really looking forward to seeing young watson out there against the cats. Hoping that he will be able to make an impression at a young age like juddy has done. It just seems like we need someone fresh out there to kick start us at the moment. If our intensity does not improvfe and we end up going down to the geelong, god forbid, we are pretty well screwed. Hopefully the players will realise that aswell. Enjoying the young prospects in the 2's at the moment with the likes of harvey, winderlich, o'keefe ect but am a little worried about the mobile key position players that we are developing. I know that Lay**** and O'Keefe are talls but mainly specialize in the ruck division and ted richards is about the only young mobile tall that i can name. Bolton is great but he is only showing that he can play now yet he is 23 or 24. Only the topic of Cory McGrath, everyone seems to a big fan which confuses me a bit. Maybe i have missed something but he is not a rookie anymore he is about 24 or 25, so he should be reaching his peak but i can't say that he has strung to many decent performances together in the senior squad. Possibly a trading option at the end of the year. Another player that needs to lift is Peverill. He is in the worst form that i have seen from him. Needs a rocket!

 

[Koala]

yeah I can't wait to see Jobe either!

re mobile talls, we've also got Sammy who's 192cm, Courtney is 191am and James Davies is also 191cm.... and he can certainly move. Jordan is close behind at 190cm. Carts is another ruck in development too.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Hosko
Only the topic of Cory McGrath, everyone seems to a big fan which confuses me a bit. Maybe i have missed something but he is not a rookie anymore he is about 24 or 25, so he should be reaching his peak but i can't say that he has strung to many decent performances together in the senior squad.

He'd be able to string more together if he got more games.

For some reason, McVeighs consistantly shyte efforts over the last 2 years rarely saw him get dropped.

 

[BomberGal]

Wahooo, and I'm gonna be there! Can't wait to see him play.

 

[Clackers69]

Originally posted by Koala
Courtney is 191am

Hey, Carla, does that mean he's only tall in the morning?

 

[Koala]

*blush* ummmm yeah... that's what I meant......

 

[Lethal]

Sheeds has given him the news over the weekend that he will be playing this weekend against the Cats.
Can't wait to see him run out in the red and black like his old man.

He also compared him to Whitnall in the way he plays, hopefully he's maening his football brain and not saying that he will need a trip to the fat farm somewhere down the track.

 

[Stealth bomber]

Wonder if they'll put him on Ablett.

 

[you_idiot]

Originally posted by Stealth bomber
Wonder if they'll put him on Ablett.

Quite possibly-- and it'll be interesting to see these two players, as sons of modern legends of the game and otherwise, going at one another, even if they aren't matched up directly opposite one another on the ground.

I'll be there Friday night as well, and I'm looking forward to seeing these players and their teams going toe to toe.

I'm sure the Watson v Ablett angle is one which will be played up quite a bit as we get closer to Friday night...

 

[Dave]

That's what the f/s rule is all about dan. One of these you'll twig to what it is that makes football the success that it is. I'll give you a hint, it's a word you hate.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Dave
That's what the f/s rule is all about dan. One of these you'll twig to what it is that makes football the success that it is. I'll give you a hint, it's a word you hate.

Football is not the success it is because of the father-son rule, Dave. Passion drives football, and will continue to drive it, with or without this rule. Soccer is the most passionately followed sport in the world and I don't see any F-S rule there.

I hope Jobe does well, obviously, but the fact he is Tim's son, is not really the point. He is going to have to forge his own career and be his own person. A rule which allows him to ONLY be drafted by Essendon doesn't add to the history of the club. The history will be in it's 106th year regardless of whether a son of a former player is on the list. It doesn't necessarily help us "on field" any more than selecting an equally talented "non-father-son" player.

Is the legacy and tradition of famous Soccer clubs or NFL clubs, or basketball clubs ruined if the rules state that any player can be picked up by any club (heaven forbid we treat people, as equals)? Of course it's not.

The F-S rule is yet another unnecessary aspect of the drafting process whcih compromises it, for no real need. What did Jobe do (he did nothing) that made him be treated differently while Chris Judd could have ended up anywhere in the country? (and did)

 

[M29]

I just hope he isn't sh-it.

 

[carn_the_nmfc]

great to see Jobe Watson making his debut Tomorrow night against Geelong.
Hope that he plays well. I will be guessing that when I am listening to ABC radio that Jobe's old man Tim will be very toey.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Dan26
Football is not the success it is because of the father-son rule, Dave.

Not alone, no, but it's one of the many things that appeal to supporters emotions.

Passion drives football, and will continue to drive it, with or without this rule.

Removing it is just another small step along the road to de-emotionalsing the game.

Soccer is the most passionately followed sport in the world and I don't see any F-S rule there.

Well **** lets adopt the round ball too 'cause I don't see any oval ball there either. Obviously footy will survive with a round ball and nets for goals.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Dave
Not alone, no, but it's one of the many things that appeal to supporters emotions.

I don't think so. Supporters get emotional based on the performances of their team, or based on acts of bravery or courage from their players, or when your team wins against the odds etc etc. There might be a bit of "deja-vu" with the name "Watson" playing again, but it's not the same Watson that supporters got emotional about, and it's not the same Watson who did all those great things for Essendon. It's an 18 year old kid. Let's suppose that Essendon didn't use the father-son rule and selected Chris Judd instead of Jobe Watson (hypothetically obviously). I guarantee no one would be any less emotional, and we would be just as excited and emotional as long as the player (Judd in this case) gave his all for the team. I hardly think Richmond fans were emotional about David Bourke, simply because he ended up being crap. Essendon supporters get emotional from acts of courage and inspiration from Jason Johnson, and guess what? He didn't have a relative that played for the Bombers. Shock, horror - believe it or not.

Originally posted by Dave
Removing it is just another small step along the road to de-emotionalsing the game.

Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha. That's hilarious Dave. Melodramatic garbage.

Originally posted by Dave
Well **** lets adopt the round ball too 'cause I don't see any oval ball there either. Obviously footy will survive with a round ball and nets for goals.

The point, dimwit, was that you don't need the F-S rule to have "emotion" in the sport. I don't have to use Soccer as an example - I can use any sport as an example.

I really do get sick of this deliberately over-emotional melodramatic rubbish from supporters. I can tell you one thing, I won't be cheering any more this week, than what I was last match against the kangaroos, just because Jobe is playing.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Dan26
I don't think so. Supporters get emotional based on the performances of their team, or based on acts of bravery or courage from their players, or when your team wins against the odds etc etc.

You should have stopped after the first three words. Surprise surpise supporters also get emotional about the sons of former champions, hence the added interest in Jobe and Gary Ablett junior at Geelong.

more of dans prepubescant drivel

The point, dimwit, was that you don't need the F-S rule to have "emotion" in the sport. I don't have to use Soccer as an example - I can use any sport as an example.

The point danny boy, was thew FS son rule is part of what makes our game special. The fact that no other sports do it only adds to the uniqueness of our competition.

And only dimwit? You are slipping.

I really do get sick of this deliberately over-emotional melodramatic rubbish from supporters. I can tell you one thing, I won't be cheering any more this week, than what I was last match against the kangaroos, just because Jobe is playing.

So? You are the sum total of opinion about football? Bahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha.

 

[M29]

Originally posted by Dan26
I can tell you one thing, I won't be cheering any more this week, than what I was last match against the kangaroos, just because Jobe is playing.

Same here.

But that'll be because I've had more to drink than I did against the roos.

 

[mustapha]

I think that the FS rule is one of the few remaining mechanisms that distinguishes between clubs. If you were new to AFL and wanted to follow a VIC club what would make you follow a certain team?

* No home grounds so there is no geographical link
* Players are distributed randomly in a draft
* Style of play of most clubs is the same
* Salary cap ensures that success is cyclical
* No noticable ethnic or economic differences between supporters of clubs
* Clubs (apart from us) use a standard web page

With the AFL becoming more and corporate and sterile every year it is nice to know that the sons of your champion players will get to play for your club if they make the grade.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Dave
...supporters also get emotional about the sons of former champions, hence the added interest in Jobe and Gary Ablett junior at Geelong.

They don't get "emotional." They get a sense of nostalgia, then after a few games they realise the"son" is a completely different person forging his own career, and his parentage is totally irrelevant to how much supporters cheer.

Originally posted by Dave
The point danny boy, was thew FS son rule is part of what makes our game special. The fact that no other sports do it only adds to the uniqueness of our competition.

It's not what makes the game unique. What makes the game unique is the rules of the sport on the field. The free-flowing nature of the sport, the fact there is no off-side rule, etc etc. The father-son rule is an off-field issue which makes no difference to how much fans cheer for their team. Fans care about the on-field stuff. Fans want their team to win - that's where the passion and excitement comes from. Stuff like the F-S rule simply compromises the draft, and treats players like Jobe differently even though he did nothing to deserve special treatment. I'm sure if the F-S rule didn't exist and Gary Ablett jnr. was playing for Essendon, there would still be interest in young Ablett because he was the son of Gary snr. I'm sure Essendon fans are fully aware of the greatness of Gary Ablett, and we don't need his son playing for the same team to have an "added inteest" (your words) in the player.

 

[Dave]

Originally posted by Dan26
They don't get "emotional."

Of course, because you know everything that everybody else is thinking. When I think of Jobe it brings back great memories of watching his dad play. The GF's against Hawthorn, that prelim goal. I'm doubt if he played for Adelaide their fans would think back with any joy on that day. You'll dismiss this I know, but it is important to a great many fans. Fortunately as there are more of us than there are of you the FS will be around for a quite a while.

They get a sense of nostalgia, then after a few games they realise the"son" is a completely different person forging his own career, and his parentage is totally irrelevant to how much supporters cheer.

Bulldust. Tim Watson said last week he though the Ablett factor was worth a couple of thousand people through the gate each week for the cats. Malcolm Blight is quoted as saying "I think that's how great football clubs evolve, just building bridges between the different eras". The FS rule is what allow those bridges to be built. A clubs history and heritage ARE important, otherwise they're nothing more than franchises that wear different jumpers. Why barrack for one over another in that case?

It's not what makes the game unique.

I said it's part of what makes it unique. Learn to read Danny.

What makes the game unique is the rules of the sport on the field. The free-flowing nature of the sport

Rugby Union is just as free flowing.

The father-son rule is an off-field issue which makes no difference to how much fans cheer for their team. Fans care about the on-field stuff. Fans want their team to win - that's where the passion and excitement comes from.

Fans take a great deal of enjoyment out of watching the sons of former champions play. You claim it makes no difference to how loudly they cheer. I disagree. The volume of noise when Jobe got his first touch (finally!) was louder then any I've heard for any other first gamer we've had. Likewise the volume goes up whenever GAJ gets near it.

Stuff like the F-S rule simply compromises the draft, and treats players like Jobe differently even though he did nothing to deserve special treatment. I'm sure if the F-S rule didn't exist and Gary Ablett jnr. was playing for Essendon, there would still be interest in young Ablett because he was the son of Gary snr. I'm sure Essendon fans are fully aware of the greatness of Gary Ablett, and we don't need his son playing for the same team to have an "added inteest" (your words) in the player.

I'm sure there would be added interest in him were he to play for any other teasm. But it wouldn't be the same as it is for the fans who watched his dad. Ditto us and Jobe.

You don't like the rule becuase it compromises the draft, fine, that's your opinion, you're entitled to it. Why you feel you can't simply say that without trying to claim that it adds nothing to the game is a little bemusing.

 

[Dan26]

Originally posted by Dave
When I think of Jobe it brings back great memories of watching his dad play. The GF's against Hawthorn, that prelim goal. I'm doubt if he played for Adelaide their fans would think back with any joy on that day. You'll dismiss this I know, but it is important to a great many fans.

You'e got those memories of Tim, regardless of what a relative of his is doing. Funny, because before yesterdays game (you know, before Jobe had played a game) I fully remembered Tim, and his great moments.

Originally posted by Dave
Bulldust. Tim Watson said last week he though the Ablett factor was worth a couple of thousand people through the gate each week for the cats.

Tim is wrong. It ain't worth a couple of thousand. That's a massive exaggeration. It's not as if Geelong's crowds are any different to the two years immediately before Ablett jnr was added to their list.

Originally posted by Dave
Malcolm Blight is quoted as saying "I think that's how great football clubs evolve, just building bridges between the different eras". The FS rule is what allow those bridges to be built. A clubs history and heritage ARE important, otherwise they're nothing more than franchises that wear different jumpers. Why barrack for one over another in that case?

Going by that logic, why barrack for Arsenal or AC Milan? They have no FS rule so there is no "bridge building", history or heritage with them by your logic. A club's history is continous - new players (regardless of if they are "heirs") come through the club and play for the club to add to the history. Those players learn the values and traitions of the club, and they don't need to be a relative of a former player for this to happen. If it wasn't Jobe on the senior list, but another player, Essendon's history or heritage wouldn't be any worse off. Conversely, Essendon's history of heritage isn't any better with Jobe, than another player who may have replaced him.

Originally posted by Dave
Rugby Union is just as free flowing.

That's debatable, but the point is the rules of the sport are what makes it unique to any other sport. Just as the rules of Union, or basketball or Volleyball make that sport unique. The off-field stuff is not part of what makes the sport unique. The sport you see at AFL level is the same sport you see at suburban grounds where the off-field rules (regarding the FS rule or club payments) are different to the AFL. The on-field stuff is what links all the Aussie rule competitons, and that is what fuels the passion of supporters - not off field rules and regulations. That's just bulldust. It's the on-field stuff that gets people excited and passionate and always has done.

Originally posted by Dave
You claim it makes no difference to how loudly they cheer. I disagree. The volume of noise when Jobe got his first touch (finally!) was louder then any I've heard for any other first gamer we've had.

Of course it was. The fans don't know anything about him yet, other than that he is the son of Tim, so the fans obviously hang their hat on what they know about him. Once he gets established and develops traits that the fans are familiar with, he will just be another player. Look at Dustin Fletcher, for example. After all these years you don't see fans saying "Oh look, son of Ken has the ball." whenever Dustin gets a touch. He quickly developed his own persona, and became his own person. He's not "Son of Ken" anymore - he's Dustin Fletcher. Just as Jobe will eventually be Jobe Watson, instead of "Tim's son." You don't see fans cheer louder for Dustin because he's Ken's son. They cheer louder for Matthew Lloyd, because he is a great player - and his dad played for Carlton!

 

[windyhill]

1. If Jobe Watson played for another club I would have to go to my old man`s grave site, set up camp and explain why. It would be a long week.
2. Why was he only given the first 10 minutes ? I try not to bag the match committee but this made no sense, I can only think that it was for Sanderson ( Jobe`s opponent) setting up all of their early play. So move Watto, don`t drag the boy, youv`e picked him, ****ing well play him.

 

[go team]

maybe that was the plan all along? get him out there for ten minutes, try and get him an early touch just to calm the nerves...

reynolds seem to have an impact when he came on though