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Chief said:
Why? What do you have against grandma?
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Nothing, she is a regular white haired little lady in a small village in Europe muttering down the phone line in a barely understandable version of english to my mum with lots of strong opinions. Used to smoke like a chimney, drink like a fish and always votes for the most revolutionary/ anti establishment party she can.

You'd love her. She'd tell you off for being mean to me and then feed you.

She got herself vaccinated.
 
Coolangatta said:
Haven't watched it all yet as I'm in the middle of something but I call bullshit on the claim that you'd be considered a nut if you said you can still get covid if you're vaxxed.

Anyone with a basic understanding knew that vaccines aren't a f*n cure, and they've never been presented as such to those outside of the walls of anti-vax bullshit. Perhaps it was a popular myth on mainstream media or social media, but yeah, I was never under any illusions about how vaccines work that's for sure.
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They were definitely sold as a cure in the beginning (obviously the new variants changed everything) not sure if this is the montage Taylor is referring to but you should get the jist of it



Another one here

 
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Chief said:
We're getting awfully detailed here.

CTP is compulsory insurance.

I've never had an accident.

Why should I be forced to pay?

To protect other people.

sigh It gets exhausting explaining this stuff to our resident Mr Angry Pants.

I'm done.
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Given how much you're probably being screwed over in paid taxes I'm happy for you not to be taxed anymore.
 
Freak Dodgeball Accident said:
They were definitely sold as a cure in the beginning (obviously the new variants changed everything) not sure if this is the montage Taylor is referring to but you should get the jist of it



Another one here

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I think that might be dangerous misinformation...:think:
 
Had a 6 hour drive so listened to the latest 4-hour Jordan Peterson one.

Sadly, I think JP is in decline. I guess the self-induced coma, benzo addiction and fame would do that to most people.

Some things I noticed:

- Would talk over Joe a hell of a lot, or shout an answer before Joe had even finished a question.

- Said answers would be (no doubt, deliberately) controversial, and Joe would push back and JP would back track and meet in the middle.

- He had the same talking points as 4 years ago - eg to establish some approval from someone left-leaning he admits that he thinks we are overfishing the oceans - I've literally heard him mention this on 20 different occasions I reckon. Needs something new.

- He really does take a right-wing opinion on every single topic, which would be fine if he admitted he was super conservative and playing to that base - eg Shapiro.

There was more, but this was off the top of my head. I still like him though.
 
Taylor said:
You'll be compelled to be responsible for your choices if you have insurance or not too. The insurance serves to protect you, as does the seatbelt. Neither are particularly useful to anyone else, especially if they have made their own choice to utilize one or both.
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lol, I'd suggest seatbelts are probably useful to others traveling in the same car as you in the event of a crash.

How about licenses? Not particularly useful to anyone else?
 
bourbons said:
lol, I'd suggest seatbelts are probably useful to others traveling in the same car as you in the event of a crash.

How about licenses? Not particularly useful to anyone else?
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That would be why we never see unlicensed drivers, since the license is such a key feature of operating a vehicle.
It's just a document.
 
Taylor said:
You'll be compelled to be responsible for your choices if you have insurance or not too. The insurance serves to protect you, as does the seatbelt. Neither are particularly useful to anyone else, especially if they have made their own choice to utilize one or both.
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That’s not true. Seatbelts are 100% important to others. If you are the driver and the passenger doesn’t have a seatbelt on, they can go flying straight into the driver, injuring or even killing then.

It also allows the driver to stay relatively still in order to redirect the car if they have the chance to do so.

Watch dash cam footage of people in accidents without seatbelts. It’s scary what happens to them.
 
bok_party said:
That’s not true. Seatbelts are 100% important to others. If you are the driver and the passenger doesn’t have a seatbelt on, they can go flying straight into the driver, injuring or even killing then.

It also allows the driver to stay relatively still in order to redirect the car if they have the chance to do so.

Watch dash cam footage of people in accidents without seatbelts. It’s scary what happens to them.
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Considering we were talking about insurance, I think it's pretty clear that we are talking about your seatbelt's effectiveness to the other driver. I don't think the data shows anything close to most crashes being head ons.
 

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Taylor said:
That would be why we never see unlicensed drivers, since the license is such a key feature of operating a vehicle.
It's just a document.
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So thats a concession on the seatbelt I take it.

A document that proves you are qualified to operate a vehicle. What would be the percentage of unlicensed drivers, would you say? Would it be around the current percentage of unvaxxed adults? Or are you actually arguing that not getting 100% compliance is a reasonable rationale to do away with something?
 
bourbons said:
So thats a concession on the seatbelt I take it.

A document that proves you are qualified to operate a vehicle. What would be the percentage of unlicensed drivers, would you say? Would it be around the current percentage of unvaxxed adults? Or are you actually arguing that not getting 100% compliance is a reasonable rationale to do away with something?
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I was saying that the seatbelt is primarily and entirely for your own protection when you interact with another vehicle, it doesn't keep the person you contact safe just as when you get insurance that is for your own protection and doesn't keep other people safe such that my own insurance doesn't require you to be insured for me to be safe. That's a far more reasonable metaphor for the vaccine.

Your license isn't a functional requirement to operate the vehicle. It just isn't. It's not even a requirement to own a vehicle.

There is a statistical correlation between unlicensed drivers and vehicle accidents, as there is with substance abuse outside of driving, domestic violence and being poor.
 
The other problem with Toe Rogan's claim that he's just sharing different perspectives from medical experts is that he's been weighing in himself with his biased opinions instead of playing the devil's advocate, and that does negatively influence the audience since clearly as you can tell from this thread his regular listeners love him.

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Taylor said:
I was saying that the seatbelt is primarily and entirely for your own protection when you interact with another vehicle, it doesn't keep the person you contact safe just as when you get insurance that is for your own protection and doesn't keep other people safe such that my own insurance doesn't require you to be insured for me to be safe. That's a far more reasonable metaphor for the vaccine.
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Yes, you are seeking to limit the scope of effectiveness re: seatbelts to exclude some participants in any potential accident in order to prop up a flawed analogy, I get it. And yes, its a far more reasonable metaphor with that exclusion in place, but its not reality is it? People pretty regularly travel in the same car with other people.

Taylor said:
Your license isn't a functional requirement to operate the vehicle. It just isn't. It's not even a requirement to own a vehicle.

There is a statistical correlation between unlicensed drivers and vehicle accidents, as there is with substance abuse outside of driving, domestic violence and being poor.
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Not functional, but it is a requirement nonetheless. As a road user, you assume the vast majority of other road users have at some stage of their life undergone the requisite training and are licensed. I'd suggest the roads would be far more dangerous if no such training and licensing were required, as your second line seems to confirm.

I don't think this is the analogy you're looking for, to put it mildly.
 
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bourbons said:
Yes, you are seeking to limit the scope of effectiveness re: seatbelts to exclude some participants in any potential accident in order to prop up a flawed analogy, I get it. And yes, its a far more reasonable metaphor with that exclusion in place, but its not reality is it? People pretty regularly travel in the same car with other people.


Not functional, but it is a requirement nonetheless. As a road user, you assume the vast majority of other road users have at some stage of their life undergone the requisite training and are licensed. I'd suggest the roads would be far more dangerous if no such training and licensing were required, as your second line seems to confirm.

I don't think this is the analogy you're looking for, to put it mildly.
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Good thing it wasn't me who brought it up, isn't it?
 

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chunkylover53 said:
Had a 6 hour drive so listened to the latest 4-hour Jordan Peterson one.

Sadly, I think JP is in decline. I guess the self-induced coma, benzo addiction and fame would do that to most people.

Some things I noticed:

- Would talk over Joe a hell of a lot, or shout an answer before Joe had even finished a question.

- Said answers would be (no doubt, deliberately) controversial, and Joe would push back and JP would back track and meet in the middle.

- He had the same talking points as 4 years ago - eg to establish some approval from someone left-leaning he admits that he thinks we are overfishing the oceans - I've literally heard him mention this on 20 different occasions I reckon. Needs something new.

- He really does take a right-wing opinion on every single topic, which would be fine if he admitted he was super conservative and playing to that base - eg Shapiro.

There was more, but this was off the top of my head. I still like him though.
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Pretty close to how I feel about Jordan at the moment, I like him like you but it took me 4-5 sittings to get through that Rogan Podcast, Jordan can be a little hard to sit through at times. I blame the stress, addiction, mental health problems. One thing I noticed from the Podcast that I was surprised at was that Jordan reads the comments on his youtube feed, Joe said why don't you just not read it... Jordan finds it hard to ignore, it is well known that Joe doesn't read the comments on his social media postings.
 

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