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Coach John Longmire - Part II

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What should we do about the coaching situation?

  • We should sack Longmire before his contract is over and bring in someone new.

    Votes: 31 34.1%

  • We should allow Longmire to see out his contract, but we should definitely not give him a new one.

    Votes: 18 19.8%

  • We should allow Longmire to see out his contract, seeing how he goes before offering a new one.

    Votes: 33 36.3%

  • We should extend Longmire's contract beyond its current duration.

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Total voters
    91

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connolly said:
Mate I feel like the strawman in the Wizard of Oz. Did I say that champion players deliver premierships? Buddy was recruited into a champion side. We had just won a premiership. Usually in those circumstances premierships follow. Not yet apparently.
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When you make statements like "He was recruited for premierships not Colemans. Jury is still out." I don't see how anyone can take that to mean anything other than unless he wins a premiership his recruitment was a failure.

But anyways this thread is meant to be about Horse, not Buddy
 
BloodySwan said:
When you make statements like "He was recruited for premierships not Colemans. Jury is still out." I don't see how anyone can take that to mean anything other than unless he wins a premiership his recruitment was a failure.

But anyways this thread is meant to be about Horse, not Buddy
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You can draw a number of conclusions. One of them is that he and the team were coached inadequately and hence failure. Not his recruitment but his utilization. That's my conclusion by the way. Exhibit A and Exhibit B are Longmire being outcoached in both Grand Finals. Not the only reason for the defeats but significant factors.
 
Bloodied52 said:
Aye Bloody Swan. I still blame the Mule for going up to the Gold Coast with a fistful of moolah to recruit Tinman - one of the worst decisions we have made.
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From your posts I'm assuming Tinman is Tippett? If so I just can't agree. We had no idea Buddy wanted to make a move and we needed a dominant forward.
It was a very sound decision at the time, not knowing what the future would bring.
 

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Recruiting Tippett was the right decision at the time
Recruiting Buddy was the right decision at the time.

Longmire

Ranieri won the premier league with Leicester city and was sacked 2 years later.

You can't ride the coattails of past glory forever.
 
sataris said:
Recruiting Tippett was the right decision at the time
Recruiting Buddy was the right decision at the time.

Longmire

Ranieri won the premier league with Leicester city and was sacked 2 years later.

You can't ride the coattails of past glory forever.
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You say that like Horse has done nothing between 2012 and today. 2 grand finals & 4 top 4 finishes in between are nothing to be sneezed at.

Ranieri went from premiers to looking at getting relegated the next season (not 2 seasons after). Horse has not taken the Swans from premiers to wooden spooners in one season.

Also for what it's worth, Ranieri deserved more time in charge for a team which won the premiership on such a small budget. Nothing short of being one of the greatest sporting achievements of all time
 
Some interesting reading on here.

I think the most important thing to remember is that everyone barracks for their club in different ways. Some are optimistic - they focus on the consistency, the sustained output, the growth of our club. Others judge harsher - they can't look past the failures, the missed opportunities, the concerns with our best 22/whole list. But neither parties are wrong. Truth is, we have done a lot right and that's worth celebrating. But you can only celebrate it so much. You can't be stuck in a time-warp of self-congratulatory worship. Winning a flag in 2005 and 2012, plus all the other finals we've reached, did not make watching what happened the other night any more bearable.

A lot of people want a premiership, and so an honourable runner-up placing, or a semi-finals exit despite an 0-6 start, does not make them feel any better about not winning a flag. All players say they play AFL for a premiership, so why aren't supporters allowed to have that same mentality? Not saying I agree with it but people are well within their rights to support the club like that.
 
connolly said:
Having a bit of a problem with the technology. But in reply to Robbie. Mate please don't equate critical football discussion with being a weak supporter. If we become hopeless like the toffs I will be where I have been for the past 68 years. Supporting the Bloods through some of the worst and longest periods of defeats, drubbings, thrashings, rogerings and pantsings. Its really silly to equate educated football discussion with defeatism.
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I'm not equating educated football disucssion with defeatism.

Like I said, there is plenty of scope for critical discussion. I don't think Longmire is perfect, I think the team has some concerns right now that need to be addressed.

What I was responding to was the few on here who have engaged in criticism with a complete lack of nuance or perspective, with so much vitriol and unjustifiable dogmatism when it comes to our coach. The ones who want to throw the baby out with the bath water.

Of course we should be talking about the things we need to do better, the things we need to change. But let's do that in a reasonable way, not hysterically.
 
connolly said:
Mate I feel like the strawman in the Wizard of Oz. Did I say that champion players deliver premierships? Buddy was recruited into a champion side. We had just won a premiership. Usually in those circumstances premierships follow. Not yet apparently.
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Do premierships "usually" follow in this circumstance? What are the precedents for it?

Again, I draw attention to the increased expectations our fans now have due to our period of sustained success.

It is bloody hard to win a premiership. All the other teams are trying to do it. Each year only one can be successful. To back it up the next year is even hard, very few teams do it. Many drop off completely. To do more than that, to win three in short succession puts you in the smallest percentage of the most succesful teams that have ever played the game.

So yeah, if you expected the premierships to just flow once Buddy was signed I'd say you had pretty massively inflated expectations. As it was, we made two more grand finals in the years following. And yes, our performances in both this games was disappointing to say the least, but the way some people are carrying on it is like Longmire has led us from paradise into the barren desert.

As it stands, despite a major injury crisis that has caused us to lose the majority of our key position players, despite a hard draw that has seen us play five of the current top 8 in the first seven weeks of the season, we sit in the 8, just two games off first, with good results against those other teams in finals contention. There is every reason to believe we are going to play finals again this year. Exactly how deep we can go remains to be seen, but as we get our key players back in it is reasonable to think we are every chance of a top 4 finish and another crack at a flag.
 
I love to bash horse as much as the next guy but i cant put the blame soley on him for tippett.. moves of that magnitutude surely get signed off by the entire football department collectively. Recruitment,coaches,leadership group, directors etc
 

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All week the norf loss was not his fault, he doesn’t control skills errors or mistakes

So he doesn’t control ronkes goals, or Rohan’s mark tonight, he can’t get all the credit one week and wear no blame the other

The reality is the last few weeks he has made a scrap fest and kept it tight to try and scrape a win, it worked 2/3 so fair play

But young guys who attack are making the difference, so take note and let them loose horse and we might win at home
 
The King! said:
All week the norf loss was not his fault, he doesn’t control skills errors or mistakes

So he doesn’t control ronkes goals, or Rohan’s mark tonight, he can’t get all the credit one week and wear no blame the other

The reality is the last few weeks he has made a scrap fest and kept it tight to try and scrape a win, it worked 2/3 so fair play

But young guys who attack are making the difference, so take note and let them loose horse and we might win at home
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He controlled where Rohan and Ronke were positioned at key moments in the game. And they executed as they were expected to.
 

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The King! said:
All week the norf loss was not his fault, he doesn’t control skills errors or mistakes

So he doesn’t control ronkes goals, or Rohan’s mark tonight, he can’t get all the credit one week and wear no blame the other

The reality is the last few weeks he has made a scrap fest and kept it tight to try and scrape a win, it worked 2/3 so fair play

But young guys who attack are making the difference, so take note and let them loose horse and we might win at home
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It was poor selection against North i said it we needed another tall to contest the ball especially when you have a mosquito fleet forward line.

Not selecting McCartin or Cameron cost us the game last week.
 
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