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Good change of strategy for the tigs. Keep the national draft picks for the kids and use the PSD for the bottom 1/3 players such as McCarthy and Houli. No more pick 19s for McMahon types when you can get them for free.
 
morebeer said:
Good change of strategy for the tigs. Keep the national draft picks for the kids and use the PSD for the bottom 1/3 players such as McCarthy and Houli. No more pick 19s for McMahon types when you can get them for free.
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yep our list management/strategy of late has been good.
 

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I would have thought someone who's already failed at one club wouldn't be rejecting any offers and just be happy to be on a list somewhere. Also who cares if he 'rejects' an offer from Port. If Port want him and can afford the price he's asking then he'll be at Port.
 
Players almost always get to their club of choice in the PSD - he's going to Richmond. Neither Houli or Grigg are world beaters, but they add depth, which McCarthy will add to.

The only danger is in a year when a more talented player becomes availiable at the last minute. They can't renege on their commitment.
 
bombermick said:
Players almost always get to their club of choice in the PSD - he's going to Richmond. Neither Houli or Grigg are world beaters, but they add depth, which McCarthy will add to.

The only danger is in a year when a more talented player becomes availiable at the last minute. They can't renege on their commitment.
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Surely a club would just go for the better player come the actual draft though. I don't imagine that there would be any contract signed before the PSD so if a better player enters the PSD you take him and the one who rejected other offers gets screwed and it would be his bad luck for rejecting them. I mean if for whatever reason Judd was in the PSD you wouldn't imagine a team would say no to him because they made a promise to John McCarthy.
 
It would be a dog act to renege on such an agreement - especially in McCarthy's example when he has skipped the ND.

You would be canned publicly, deservedly so, and you wouldn't have anyone wanting to cross to your club for a long time. Remember Fabian Francis?
 
lemon chicken said:
Port dodged a bullet, VFL footballer.
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Interesting analysis.

I think he is a very talented kid, that is a very smart player and a midfielder that knows where the goals are, can't have too many of those. Yes, he ain't no star, but not every player needs to be. I also think he has a bit of development in him and he can improve so I am happy with the fact we will obtain him in the PSD.

I bet most had the same about Houli. At the end of the year hasn't that opinion changed. 4th in the Best and Fairest, and a consistent high possession good user of the football. Developed under our coaching regime to be a very good player.

No reason McCarthy can't do the same.

Keep getting that second tier right Richmond. :thumbsu:
 
I always thought Houli was stiff at essendon. I would rate him more highly than McCarthy but we haven't seen a lot of him. Should be a good depth player with a mature body. I like the strategy of getting these types although not all that keen on McCarthy it adds bigger experienced bodies to a young list.
 

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smiddaz123 said:
Is below Houli's level. Can be a reasonable AFL depth player potentially though.
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Yet 6 months ago you would have had no hesitation in saying that McCarthy was a much better player than Houli, but now that he is no longer at the Pies he is a hack.
 
McCarthy will be a good pickup for Richmond can help cotchin or Martin play more outside/forward
 
Would've added to our side and would probably play before guys like Broadbent, Logan, Thomas, but he's another inside mid with questionable skills which isn't really going to help us much. At Richmond on the other hand he fits in very well as they need depth in their midfield because after guns like Cotchin and Martin they have a bit of a drop off and with Tuck and Connors on the outer he provides a younger, potentially better alternative. Even if he was in the PSD, I would think we would take Davis before him so I'd be surprised if the club was too devastated with his demands.
 
morebeer said:
Good change of strategy for the tigs. Keep the national draft picks for the kids and use the PSD for the bottom 1/3 players such as McCarthy and Houli. No more pick 19s for McMahon types when you can get them for free.
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Houli bottom 1/3 player? He was 4th in their B&F.

TheVelourFog said:
I would have thought someone who's already failed at one club wouldn't be rejecting any offers and just be happy to be on a list somewhere. Also who cares if he 'rejects' an offer from Port. If Port want him and can afford the price he's asking then he'll be at Port.
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This is one of the most stupid posts I've ever read. He has multiple offers why wouldn't he reject the one he doesn't want? Your stupidity is baffling.

McCarthy will be a good get for Richmond and they've gone about it perfectly.
 
RT73 said:
Yet 6 months ago you would have had no hesitation in saying that McCarthy was a much better player than Houli, but now that he is no longer at the Pies he is a hack.
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You sure? Go look at my posting history, never been a fan.

He's nothing special (hence, being delisted). Injury prone, average skills without being too poor, has always been too skinny for the role he likes to play.

How about you tell me why you think he'll be such a good pick up, besides the fact he'll be playing for Richmond?

Houli is a better player simply because he has better skills. But if you want to believe you're getting a future star for free after Collingwood delisted him, then go for it.

The best case scenario I'd be hoping for is Danny Stanley type output. I always rated Danny higher than McCarthy though, was upset he was let go.
 
smiddaz123 said:
You sure? Go look at my posting history, never been a fan.

He's nothing special (hence, being delisted). Injury prone, average skills without being too poor, has always been too skinny for the role he likes to play.

How about you tell me why you think he'll be such a good pick up, besides the fact he'll be playing for Richmond?

Houli is a better player simply because he has better skills. But if you want to believe you're getting a future star for free after Collingwood delisted him, then go for it.

The best case scenario I'd be hoping for is Danny Stanley type output. I always rated Danny higher than McCarthy though, was upset he was let go.
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The reason I think he'll be a good pick up for us is because he adds some more depth and size to our midfield. Will he be a future star? Highly unlikely, but if he can do his job much like Houli did this year which allows others to flourish then I'll be quite pleased especially when you consider the price we would have paid for him i.e. PSD pick.
 

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RT73 said:
The reason I think he'll be a good pick up for us is because he adds some more depth and size to our midfield. Will he be a future star? Highly unlikely, but if he can do his job much like Houli did this year which allows others to flourish then I'll be quite pleased especially when you consider the price we would have paid for him i.e. PSD pick.
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Yeh, so will any reasonably built midfielder. All that literally means is they have some muscle and play in the midfield. Is that all the basis you have for thinking he'll be a good player? What do you think his strengths/weaknesses are?

McCarthy isn't even that well built for an inside player tbh.

No idea why you had such an issue with me saying he wasn't as good as Houli. He isn't.
 
smiddaz123 said:
Yeh, so will any reasonably built midfielder. All that literally means is they have some muscle and play in the midfield. Is that all the basis you have for thinking he'll be a good player? What do you think his strengths/weaknesses are?

McCarthy isn't even that well built for an inside player tbh.

No idea why you had such an issue with me saying he wasn't as good as Houli. He isn't.
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I have nothing against what you say at all. You have watched him play closely so I take your opinion on him.

At the end of the day a lot is dependant on the development we put into him. Sometimes some TLC and confidence can change a player. I would imagine at Collingwood going in and out and overlooked would have played a role in his confidence levels and it all plays a part. He may not be as talented as Houli, but he does bring some qualities that if developed right, could be an asset for us.

Watching him closely he is a very balanced player, who has smarts and wins his fair share of clearances at VFL level. He definitely knows where the goals are, even at AFL level. His work rate is pretty good and he is a good runner. Kicking is on and off on occasions. So not a champion, but a lot to work with for Dimma and our coaches.

Same thing I was saying about Houli last year to Essendon fans who were laughing at us for taking him. Most of Houli's improvement came from the confidence shown in him to play a key role for us. I would imagine the same will be for McCarthy. Another player added to our second tier. At a great age.
 
Demon 86 said:
Houli bottom 1/3 player? He was 4th in their B&F.
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At a top 4 club Houli is bottom 1/3 for sure. Not sure many Richmond or Essendon fans would disagree with that. B&F finishes for poor teams can be misleading.

But the key thing is that he is solid and the tigs got him for free.
 
Think the Tiges need to play McCarthy in his correct position - That is primarily as a midfielder - can play inside/outside - probably more inside.

Watched him a few times at VFL Level - He was the ' pea in the pod ' -The 'Go-To man', who set up the plays. Unfortunately he was played primarily as a forward for the AFL team in which he struggled.

Richmond will give McCarthy every chance to transfer his VFL form to AFL level.

Would rate Houli higher because he has a better skill set.
 
smiddaz123 said:
Yeh, so will any reasonably built midfielder. All that literally means is they have some muscle and play in the midfield. Is that all the basis you have for thinking he'll be a good player? What do you think his strengths/weaknesses are?
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At the very least he will be a good solid contributor for us IMO but the reason many of us are very pleased with this is that we are adding some depth to our squad for free and we have no depth at all and having McCarthy will put more pressure on players like Jackson to play well or he won't be in the side, hoping this is what happens as well because that shows just how poor our midfield depth is that Daniel Jackson gets so much game time.
 
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