Recommitted Josh Kelly [re-signed]

[king rising]

tick tock tick tock..

 

[Bokonon_]

deep down i reckon kelly is hoping he gets a flag this year and can then take norths deal for 9m

Maybe but end of September may be too late to make a decision. I know we all pretend these decisions are made post season, and it avoids the farical sutuation in the NRL where a coach demands players make a public decision in April.
I think the reality is both clubs and Kelly need it resolved before then .Would be a lot of very different options for us for example going into trade week not knowing. Hard to talk to players managers with we are interested but only if we have the draft currency and cap space from a kelly trade.

 

[Pykie]

Let's not be nieve, saints have a promising list, especially when compared to Norths. The real sticking point is length of contract. It's guaranteed money.

Yes, the contract length is the biggest point, which people seem to be completely glossing over.

It's plainly obvious people in this thread don't understand the power of fixed term contracts.

If he want's to start a business, grow his property portfolio, or anything that requires a meeting with a bank, a 9 year contract behind him is solid gold.

 

[YEMOC NAYR]

Yes, the contract length is the biggest point, which people seem to be completely glossing over.

It's plainly obvious people in this thread don't understand the power of fixed term contracts.

If he want's to start a business, grow his property portfolio, or anything that requires a meeting with a bank, a 9 year contract behind him is solid gold.

he could sign a 9 year 9 mill contract and get 9m.
he could sign a 5 year 800k contract, get 4m and be worth way less at the end of that 5year weather it be injuries, form whatever.

Option 1 9 times out of 10.

 

[JG22]

Carey reckons Kelly for Golstein is a good swap.

**** me dead

 

[Snake_Baker]

Courtesy of giantroo on the North board.

 

[JG22]

Courtesy of giantroo on the North board.

Intentions clear, good luck to them.

 

[MightyDons4]

Carey reckons Kelly for Golstein is a good swap.

**** me dead

It is a good swap..


For North, that is.

 

[Snake_Baker]

They don't need nor couldn't afford Goldstein.

 

[Daniltchenko You Beauty]

deep down i reckon kelly is hoping he gets a flag this year and can then take norths deal for 9m

Exactly what I'm hoping for. Otherwise I reckon there's a good chance he stays for 600k for another year or two.

 

[Baird]

9 years is it? That's fine considering he'll be 31 when the contract expires and they can front load the contract. The salary is high though

 

[Donkey Chop]

Let's not be nieve, saints have a promising list, especially when compared to Norths. The real sticking point is length of contract. It's guaranteed money.

The Saints best players are still there oldest. They're still rebuilding. They will struggle when Riewoldt & Montagna retire. Theres some good young talent in there, but let's not be nieve, every list has talented youngsters.

If it was about strength of lists he'd stay at GWS

 

[ManOfClay]

North would need Goldstein and their first going to GWS.

It's not 2015 anymore, Goldstein isn't that good

 

[JG22]

North would need Goldstein and their first going to GWS.

It's not 2015 anymore, Goldstein isn't that good

Just the first would do it.

 

[Donkey Chop]

North would need Goldstein and their first going to GWS.

It's not 2015 anymore, Goldstein isn't that good

It depends where Norths first is. Picks 3-7 would need to throw in an early second round pick. Later 8-15 would need another 1st. Don't reckon GWS would want Goldstein. For the trade to involve Goldy it would need to involve another club.

 

[Bokonon_]

It depends where Norths first is. Picks 3-7 would need to throw in an early second round pick. Later 8-15 would need another 1st. Don't reckon GWS would wasn't Goldstein. For the trade to involve Goldy it would need to involve another club.

Agree completely
Nightmare for us would be if North held 2017 pick 1. Then if Kelly nominates North the club has us over a barrel. It's take what we offer or we'll use the pick to get him in the PSD.
Cant see North finishing last, but a cunning list manager might wonder if it's possible to trade it. Even pick two would represent a risk as every club may well sieze an opportunity if it presents.

 

[Snake_Baker]

Agree completely
Nightmare for us would be if North held 2017 pick 1. Then if Kelly nominates North the club has us over a barrel. It's take what we offer or we'll use the pick to get him in the PSD.
Cant see North finishing last, but a cunning list manager might wonder if it's possible to trade it. Even pick two would represent a risk as every club may well sieze an opportunity if it presents.

When it comes to these things both of our clubs have a history of doing business and getting a deal done. I think if North end up with pick 1 to 4, that will get the deal done. If we ended up with pick 8 or 9 then there may be an exchange of later picks.

Tom Mitchell was an established 22 year old, 28 disposal average player that went for pick 10 plus change. the defining factor was the originating clubs salary cap. The same criteria applies here. Kelly would be in the same ball park trade wise.

 

[Bokonon_]

When it comes to these things both of our clubs have a history of doing business and getting a deal done. I think if North end up with pick 1 to 4, that will get the deal done. If we ended up with pick 8 or 9 then there may be an exchange of later picks.

Tom Mitchell was an established 22 year old, 28 disposal average player that went for pick 10 plus change. the defining factor was the originating clubs salary cap. The same criteria applies here. Kelly would be in the same ball park trade wise.

I'm not so sure about the pick range but I agree we have successful trading history. That involves in respecting each clubs right to act in it's own interests as best it can. In the scenario I mentioned North does nothing wrong by using an advantage in negotiations, If you dont think Kelly is worth pick one then it's an issue.
We'll see what the clubs come up with if he nominates North.

 

[Donkey Chop]

When it comes to these things both of our clubs have a history of doing business and getting a deal done. I think if North end up with pick 1 to 4, that will get the deal done. If we ended up with pick 8 or 9 then there may be an exchange of later picks.

Tom Mitchell was an established 22 year old, 28 disposal average player that went for pick 10 plus change. the defining factor was the originating clubs salary cap. The same criteria applies here. Kelly would be in the same ball park trade wise.

Tom Mitchell is half the player Kelly is

 

[Giant Heart]

When it comes to these things both of our clubs have a history of doing business and getting a deal done. I think if North end up with pick 1 to 4, that will get the deal done. If we ended up with pick 8 or 9 then there may be an exchange of later picks.

Tom Mitchell was an established 22 year old, 28 disposal average player that went for pick 10 plus change. the defining factor was the originating clubs salary cap. The same criteria applies here. Kelly would be in the same ball park trade wise.

If you think you're getting Kelly for anything close to what Hawthorn paid for T.Mitchell then you're sadly misguided.

Kelly is a much better player than Mitchell. We'd need a top three draft pick as an absolute minimum.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If you dont think Kelly is worth pick one then it's an issue..

Kelly probably IS worth pick 1, but whether North gets that pick is another thing. I doubt it would stop a deal.

If you look at the Mitchell trade, then analyse how many clubs would have taken Jack Bowes ahead of Mitchell based on trade value. My guess is none.

We'll see what the clubs come up with if he nominates North.

I doubt it will matter. Rarely do these things devolve in to bidding wars.

 

[Snake_Baker]

If you think you're getting Kelly for anything close to what Hawthorn paid for T.Mitchell then you're sadly misguided.

Yeah? What are GWS going to do about it? They don't have the upper hand, North does.

Kelly is a much better player than Mitchell. We'd need a top three draft pick as an absolute minimum.

You are undervaluing Mitchell.

Josh is not Chris Judd. Yet.

 

[Colonial]

Yeah? What are GWS going to do about it? They don't have the upper hand, North does.

They do? no.
Unless they come last.

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[king rising]

I'd give up pick 1 for Kelly no qualms at all

 

[Giant Heart]

Yeah? What are GWS going to do about it? They don't have the upper hand, North does.



You are undervaluing Mitchell.

Josh is not Chris Judd. Yet.

You have the upper hand how?

And, I'm not undervaluing T.Mitchell by saying he's not near the player Kelly is. I'm just stating a fact when I say he isn't.