Recommitted Josh Kelly [re-signed]

[Snake_Baker]

Are you ******ed?

I.Q. 143

Apparently

Now please get back on topic.

 

[coniglio_number1]

Why?

He has 4 years less football left in him.

He's a realistic chance to win the Brownlow for GWS this season. Should we also pay them for their Brownlow?

What about a Norm Smith, should we pay THEM for that?

You mean 4 years ahead on his development or do you highly value those early formative years

 

[BluesRule]

BTW, if Josh was so desperate to get to North, not only would they not need to resort to offering him a staggering contract that could cripple the club if something goes wrong, but surely he would have asked to be traded there at the end of his initial 2 year rookie contract!?

Did he just forget how much he loved North and how desperately he wanted to get there when he re-signed with GWS the first time around!?

Norths did not want him two years ago. He was too young and would not have fit with their culture

 

[Snake_Baker]

You mean 4 years ahead on his development or do you highly value those early formative years

He wasn't pick 2 for nothing. He was a gun when you got him. A certainty.

 

[joop]

He wasn't pick 2 for nothing. He was a gun when you got him. A certainty.

Just like Scott Gumbleton?

 

[coniglio_number1]

Just like Scott Gumbleton?

And Jon o'rourke

 

[Snake_Baker]

Norths did not want him two years ago. He was too young and would not have fit with their culture

On the contrary, the coach is on record as stating that the club tried to trade in to the top two picks in 2013, but didn't have the currency to get it done.

Four years later, we have pounced.

 

[tonygeeks]

The giants will take a couple of firsts I think , they were peacocking when they refused freo's offer of 2 firsts for McCarthy ( thank god ) trying to show everyone they were big boys , you'd think they would play a bit smarter this time round


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[Royal Flush]

Neither are North. Funny how you think other clubs wouldnt jump and pay that money to get him there.

I havent talked it up at all. North fans threatening something that would cause them to lose Kelly.

Both clubs wouldnt risk it. Talk tough as you want but your club wont be fools about it.

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GWS have enough early draft picks. They wouldn't miss a beat.
No club would be as short sighted to try to get one over GWS, they will be dealing with GWS for their players for many years to come .

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[Snake_Baker]

GWS have enough early draft picks. They wouldn't miss a beat.
No club would be as short sighted to try to get one over GWS, they will be dealing with GWS for their players for many years to come .

Can you imagine the blood in the water when their RFA's start to come through the system?

 

[joop]

He wasn't pick 2 for nothing. He was a gun when you got him. A certainty.

Any other certainties you can tell us about in football?

 

[Unity-28]

Why? Thought it was pretty easy to understand but anyway....
4 years ago Kelly was drafted at number 2.
Since then he's had 4 years development in an AFL system. His game has progressed every year to where he is now a top 5 player in the league. As you said, he might win the Brownlow this year.
So yeh, pretty easy to see why his value has gone up since he was drafted.

funny isnt it....? when north made the reprted offer in feb, everyone thought "josh kelly, really that much"
now we have him as top 5 player in the league, to be the biggest paid player.

north in 2013 scrambled the whole way through the trade period to get pick 2 from Melbourne, but ultimately they gave it to GWS fir the players they got in return.

north have been trying to get Josh since then (yes Gws re signed him, at the end of his first season for a further 2 years).

it will be a very interesting trade period if jk, dusty, fyfe etc havent signed by then.

 

[Unity-28]

Any other certainties you can tell us about in football?

umpiring will be shithouse this weekend?!

 

[mpal6]

Other clubs are irrelevant.



Again, our worst case scenario is that we gain nothing and lose nothing.

GWS's worst case scenario is they lose a gun and gain nothing.

As the desired location for the player we would have the negotiation whip hand.

IF the truly bizarre circumstance were to arise and Josh were to hold the club to a financial bidding war, and IF we still had to part with absurd trade picks, then I would expect the club to push back its chair, collect its papers and exit the room. It would simply be an act of idiocy to continue.

1.4 million + 2 x top 10 picks would get us 4 very good players and no single player is worth that much!

We'll give pick 1 to GWS and a godfather offer to Kelly. It'll be sorted.

 

[stfan]

Can you imagine the blood in the water when their RFA's start to come through the system?

Yes another raft of good draft picks for them.

 

[stfan]

While some claim he is signed. LOL

How tempting must it be for Kelly to say stay at GWS on a 3 year deal. He may well rack up a three-peat in that time. But certainly at least one flag.

And then in his prime he could choose a new home setting himself up for life (well if he invest wisely he will be well set up anyway after 3 more year at GWS).

That way he may well get both the glory and the riches.


I think some people forget that players want to play. And at AFL level they also want to play for success.

So is he really homesick? If not he may well sign on for another 2 to 3 seasons.

 

[Dirty_banchez]

imo the silver lining here for GWS is they can draft Brander with the early picks they receive for Kelly.

 

[coniglio_number1]

While some claim he is signed. LOL

How tempting must it be for Kelly to say stay at GWS on a 3 year deal. He may well rack up a three-peat in that time. But certainly at least one flag.

And then in his prime he could choose a new home setting himself up for life (well if he invest wisely he will be well set up anyway after 3 more year at GWS).

That way he may well get both the glory and the riches.


I think some people forget that players want to play. And at AFL level they also want to play for success.

So is he really homesick? If not he may well sign on for another 2 to 3 seasons.

He was happy to sign in February until north waved $9mil at him to think about so it's not homesickness. No adult turns down that money unless there is extenuating circumstances eg success

 

[Scotland]

1 Phil Davis (c)
2 Jacob Hopper
3 Stephen Coniglio
4 Toby Greene
5 Dylan Shiel
6 Lachie Whitfield
7 Brett Deledio
8 Callan Ward (c)
9 Tom Scully
10 Devon Smith
11 Will Setterfield
12 Jonathon Patton
13 Isaac Cumming
14 Tim Taranto
15 Matthew Kennedy
16 Nathan Wilson
17 Steve Johnson
18 Jeremy Cameron
19 Nick Haynes
20 Adam Tomlinson
21 Matthew Buntine
22 Josh Kelly
23 Heath Shaw (vc)
24 Matt de Boer
26 Dawson Simpson
27 Harrison Himmelberg
29 Zac Williams
30 Matthew Flynn
31 Jeremy Finlayson
32 Ryan Griffen
33 Lachlan Tiziani
35 Aidan Corr
36 Harry Perryman
37 Rory Lobb
39 Tim Mohr
40 Adam Kennedy
41 Shane Mumford
44 Tom Downie

Bolded I'd imagine are already contracted on decent amounts ($300-500k+). They're not all on $1m a year and big names like Griffen and Deledio started with their contracts being subsidised by their former clubs and Johnson wouldn't be on big money, but it's still a fair list.

My guess is that Kelly stays for $6-800k and at least one of Smith/Haynes/Lobb goes, or Kelly goes. The sort of figures being thrown around for Kelly are ridiculous. No good team would be able to accommodate that into their salary cap over the next couple of years. GWS aren't mugs, they would've banked on Kelly's contract going up after 2017 but not up by a few hundred per cent.

 

[Buzzasto DaSilva]

Agree with most of that, though I think Zac Williams is on a decent wage. Was close to an All Australian last year and signed a new deal in the summer. Would be slightly above $500,000 in my opinion when his extension kicks in.

I doubt it will be Lobb that leaves, I'd say one of Kelly, Buntine or Devon Smith will go. Coniglio is the wild card in my opinion. Contracted for two more years, but, if the price is right, he could be the one to go, however I'd say Smith/Kelly are far more likely.

 

[Colonial]

GWS have enough early draft picks. They wouldn't miss a beat.
No club would be as short sighted to try to get one over GWS, they will be dealing with GWS for their players for many years to come .

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Never enough. We wont be handing over somemone like Kelly for nothing.

He will be a big trade 2 top 1st rounders no doubt.

As ive said. Neither club will screw this up IF Kelly decides to go.



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[Colonial]

We won't have to get in to a bidding war with Josh if he chooses us. The only entity that wins out of a bidding war is your club, hence your myopic understanding of this matter.



If it goes to the PSD, we will have already conceded. North loses nothing. GWS loses everything. This is very simple math, I don't know why your are struggling with it.



You can keep trumpeting as much as you wish. It will be what North are willing to pay or the PSD. GWS don't hold the whip hand. They hold what North is prepared to give them, Nothing more. If you really want to be a player then pony up with your chip stack and get in the game.



This is just your opinion and nothing more. Searching through your post history I see little reason to place much weight in your opinion in regards to trades.



Of course we are going to try to pay the least for the goods. What planet do you live on?



Josh's manager won't give two stuffs about what GWS get out of this. Neither will Josh. It's simply not their business.

You won't be turning your back on a trade because the people that ultimately control your club (aka The AFL) wouldn't allow your club to commit such a ridiculous act of stupidity.

Id actually written a reply before going over your posts since this one.

Decided it wasnt worth it as you dont read posts before ranting.

Not worth more than where he was drafted? lol

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[bird_man]

Definitely worth two first round picks.

 

[Glen Buterol]

Definitely worth two first round picks.

Pick 4 & 8 is perfect

 

[pinot]

Pick 4 & 8 is perfect

Big risk for a player that hasn't had a hard tag yet (would like to see how he goes rotating between hard running Marc Murphy and hard tag Ed Curnow) - but he is all class. But is still abit of an unknown if I was St Kilda I would offer 4 + 8 for sure.