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ClaytonM said:
Our boys acknowledge their error, took their punishment, and moved on.

Essendon and their players tried everything to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. Their failure to show true remorse for what they did was as big a crime as the horrendous performance enhancement program they ran.

We are talking chalk and cheese. Two blokes out partying versus a whole club operating an uncontrolled and undocumented performance enhancement program.
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Unfortunately there are several Essendon players who were duped. Especially the youngest who found themselves in a position of no power. Just go with what the club says or not get another contract. Implied bullying.
And as far as our two go, you simply have to believe their story if you want to make excuses.
I don’t believe their story.
Simple.
Nd I’ve stated previously, happy for both of them to succeed at AFL football. Just not at my club.
It’s still an embarrassment.
 
I back Josh Thomas (and Keefe). Mistake made, and paid for, unlike the GWS boys or the WCE boys or ..... so many others!
 
Vedder said:
When I said I am surprised B_W has not withdrawn his support for the club, I did not mean just financially but emotionally as well

If Josh kicks his 4-5 goals does he boo the guy, does he wish we had lost the game that we mightn't of won without Josh's input

I just struggle to see that with his strong beliefs how he can support/barrack/follow the club at all
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No issue with supporting/following/cheering my club of 55 years.
Don’t boo Thomas. Don’t overly celebrate his goals. Certainly celebrate the hard work done leading up to the score.
 

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ottoman said:
Just as an aside Black_White . Just because the law says something is wrong doesn't necessarily make it so.
In our very recent history being gay was an offence.
Being Aboriginal meant you weren't legally Australian (how's that for irony)
Saying "shit" on TV was sackable. Actually the great Graham Kennedy got banned for his crow call.
Just because the law says something is wrong doesn't mean that in reality it is.
Those of us who do possess rational thought can make the distinction between wrong and right. We don't need big brother to tell us. You're obviously one of those sheep that just agree with whatever the law says. Nazi Germany would have loved you.
If you don't like recreational drugs then that's your right.
But stop demonising and belittling people just because they did something you personally may not like.
Who the f*** are you to be the holier than thou judge, jury and executioner.
He made a mistake, learned from it and is moving on. In a very positive manner.
And you know what. If he is still taking recreational drugs I couldn't give a f***.
It's none of my business and it's definitely none of yours.
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Your right about the laws.
But we can, and do, live by the laws of the day.
And the laws of the day say the performance enhancing drugs are illegal for sportsmen/women at a professional level.
That may change one day. Seriously doubt it though as under this law, unlike the racist laws you cite, these laws do not discriminate against Color, creed, religion, race or sex.
Not sure about Nazi Germany, there is German blood in my ancestry so you may have a point, but what you are saying about big brother is simply ignorant.
Every society, even “free” ones like ours, have a set of laws that we all must follow under risk of punishment if we transgress.
To not follow the law of the land creates nothing but chaos.
And as an aside, he wasn’t done for “recreational “ drugs. Was he?
 
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jackcass said:
He's already on the ignored list, has been for some time, nothing he's said on the issue (and it appear the only thing he ever posts about) is worthy of consideration. I was responding to your post.
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Loud and proud to be on your ignore list.
Simply shows that you have a very closed view of the world, and alternate opinions.
How you are responding to people on this issue, without reading the original post, does pretty much astound me though.
How is this so?
 
Black_White said:
Your right about the laws.
But we can, and do, live by the laws of the day.
And the laws of the day say the performance enhancing drugs are illegal for sportsmen/women at a professional level.
That may change one day. Seriously doubt it though as under this law, unlike the racist laws you cite, these laws do not discriminate against Color, creed, religion, race or sex.
Not sure about Nazi Germany, there is German blood in my ancestry so you may have a point, but what you are saying about big brother is simply ignorant.
Every society, even “free” ones like ours, have a set of laws that we all must follow under risk of punishment if we transgress.
To not follow the law of the land creates nothing but chaos.
And as an aside, he wasn’t done for “recreational “ drugs. Was he?
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Yes performance enhancing drugs are illegal and yes athletes are punished, and many return afterwards.
They’ve done the crime and done the time.

Whatever the situation regarding Josh Thomas he has done the time and has now earned his place in the team - again! And for this I commend him
 
Black_White said:
Your right about the laws.
But we can, and do, live by the laws of the day.
And the laws of the day say the performance enhancing drugs are illegal for sportsmen/women at a professional level.
That may change one day. Seriously doubt it though as under this law, unlike the racist laws you cite, these laws do not discriminate against Color, creed, religion, race or sex.
Not sure about Nazi Germany, there is German blood in my ancestry so you may have a point, but what you are saying about big brother is simply ignorant.
Every society, even “free” ones like ours, have a set of laws that we all must follow under risk of punishment if we transgress.
To not follow the law of the land creates nothing but chaos.
And as an aside, he wasn’t done for “recreational “ drugs. Was he?
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Did he break any laws? You have never exceeded speed limit, parked your car over allotted time, etc?

Seems to me he broke AFL rules and was punished.

You don’t believe that anyone deserves a second chance or the opportunity to redeem themselves in the eyes of others or supporters?
 
Black_White said:
The druggie reference is more to do with the ability of the employer, any employer, being able to insert that clause into the employee contract.
It’s a clause I hope CFC have in his contract.
To insert a Cheat clause is problematical.
Though I do believe that the two were systematically using performance enhancers and when caught used the illicit untraceable pill as an excuse.
I used the druggie reference as I believe I need to dumb it down for the readership.
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That's putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal; is that one right next to the moral pedestal you were standing on when you passed judgement on druggies?

You might have to "dumb-down" your answer a little for me. :)
 
As Vicky Park’s favourite artist once sang
‘You gotta have faith’.

The Pies have stood by a young kid and helped him enormously to do his time and get himself ‘right’ to play afl footy at the highest level. I’m proud of the club that they didn’t simply discard this young kid because of an error in judgement. Who knows what his life would have been without the support he received.

I’m sure he is grateful for the support from the Collingwood footy club in such and has repaid the faith the club showed in him.

I think we underestimate how difficult it would be to leave AFL for 2 years without being able to train or be a part of the club. Takes a strong kid to recover.
 

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And before Saintly views my previous post, I should add just as George Michael wanted to be a ‘father figure’, I’m sure Bucks took on this role for Thomas and Keefe
 
BPikkers said:
And before Saintly views my previous post, I should add just as George Michael wanted to be a ‘father figure’, I’m sure Bucks took on this role for Thomas and Keefe
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Love it.

Both of them.

Review given: A+
 
Bw is not a troll, his views are the same now as they were at the start.
And he has a right to those views.
My view is l really don’t know what he took, but he got a two years ban.
Done his time, deserved a second chance, been embraced by the club for his hard work and good play. Will cheer him on.
 
Magpie Girl said:
Yes performance enhancing drugs are illegal and yes athletes are punished, and many return afterwards.
They’ve done the crime and done the time.

Whatever the situation regarding Josh Thomas he has done the time and has now earned his place in the team - again! And for this I commend him
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Ah, there’s the difference.
I would life ban any athlete convicted of performance enhancing drugs.
To me it’s the only way to clean up all sports.
 
jathanas said:
That's putting yourself on an intellectual pedestal; is that one right next to the moral pedestal you were standing on when you passed judgement on druggies?

You might have to "dumb-down" your answer a little for me. :)
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One foot on each pedestal.
Easy to understand I believe.
 

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Robroy22 said:
Just one question for B&W.
Ever done anything wrong or made a mistake?

I know I've made plenty (probably making another one right now!) and I've never met anyone who hasn't.
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I’ve never taken performance enhancing drugs with the view to cheating my fellow contestants in a sporting contest.
This is the core issue. The attempt, and you haven’t been the only one, to try and widen the discussion by turning it to my life is doomed to failure.
The self deprecating statement that you have made mistakes is also irrelevant, but a great attempt at sympathy for your view.
For the record, in 39 years of driving I’ve had three speeding fines.
I had notification from my hire car company of two offences in England last year. One making a left hand turn where I wasn’t allowed. (Never saw the sign) And one for being in a bus lane. (Photo shows the Jag half in half out as I realised I was in the wrong).
Neither offence was forwarded to me and I’ve stil got a clean driving record in the UK.
Never been charged, interviewed, suspected, fingerprinted, accused of any crime. Simply because I’ve never felt the need to wander from the law or my morals.
 
Black_White said:
Ah, there’s the difference.
I would life ban any athlete convicted of performance enhancing drugs.
To me it’s the only way to clean up all sports.
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Yes I think I agree with you here.

However, I do think that the evidence must show that the accused blatantly knowingly took performance enhancing drugs.

My understanding is that the boys took recreational drugs which, without their knowledge, contained a banned substance.

I don’t believe a masking agent was found.
It’s like the Essendon players. I don’t believe the players themselves believed the club was administering banned substances.
 
Maggie5 said:
Did he break any laws? You have never exceeded speed limit, parked your car over allotted time, etc?

Seems to me he broke AFL rules and was punished.

You don’t believe that anyone deserves a second chance or the opportunity to redeem themselves in the eyes of others or supporters?
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AFL rules?
No, incorrect.
ASADA, and by implication, WADA rules.
Rules made to try and make a level playing field for everyone all over the world. Especially those who don’t go the performance enhancing route.
I’ve always said that the players can make a career elsewhere. Still prefer life bans for the offence, but as that’s not how the rules stand right now then they can play elsewhere.
 
BPikkers said:
Yes I think I agree with you here.

However, I do think that the evidence must show that the accused blatantly knowingly took performance enhancing drugs.

My understanding is that the boys took recreational drugs which, without their knowledge, contained a banned substance.

I don’t believe a masking agent was found.
It’s like the Essendon players. I don’t believe the players themselves believed the club was administering banned substances.
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Your understanding is based solely on the defence put up by the players.
Unfortunately there is no evidence from any other source that this is the truth.
Any lawyer would surely advise the “I took the lesser evil without knowing of the higher evil”.
If there were other people who came forward with evidence that the supposed pills were laced, then there would be evidence. Simply there is not.
You are correct about the Essendon players to a degree. I still remember the Jobe interview when he admitted to taking the banned substance. He didn’t know it was a banned substance and withdraw his comments when told it was.
They were convicted of the performance enhancer, and to my knowledge (happy to be corrected) copped the full available sanction. No discount.
 
Thomas has had a cracking year. That forward combo with Stevo, WHE and JDG has been really hard to contain. All capable of kicking a bag. It's a big factor in our resurgence this year. A credit to the club for sticking by him and now reaping some rewards for it. Also handy as a midfield rotation.
 
Black_White said:
Your understanding is based solely on the defence put up by the players.
Unfortunately there is no evidence from any other source that this is the truth.
Any lawyer would surely advise the “I took the lesser evil without knowing of the higher evil”.
If there were other people who came forward with evidence that the supposed pills were laced, then there would be evidence. Simply there is not.
You are correct about the Essendon players to a degree. I still remember the Jobe interview when he admitted to taking the banned substance. He didn’t know it was a banned substance and withdraw his comments when told it was.
They were convicted of the performance enhancer, and to my knowledge (happy to be corrected) copped the full available sanction. No discount.
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There’s no evidence that it wasn’t the truth either.
Either way they did the time and now, like anyone else, deserve a second chance - as do the Essendon guys.
 

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