Judd -wtf?

[Mario Speedwagon]

So now you're saying its ok to give a guy votes in a game where his team loses if that performance is special enough as long as its not the 3 votes.

As for McPhees job on Judd, he still got 30 touches to be the Blues leading possession winner in fact he was equal leader for the match alongside Barlow. Gee what I would give to have a tagger who can keep Judd to 30 touches every time we play him.

Firstly...the Collingwood game wasn't just a loss ..it was a THRASHING by a similarly placed team on the ladder, tell me what "impact" he had in REAL terms, not figures ...should he get BOG for turning a 75 point loss in to a 55 point loss?

Secondly ..30+ possession games are a dime a dozen these days...whereas players don't kick half a dozen + goals every week , it's real achievement in modern footy and it will usually earn a vote even in small to medium losses, which is the range both our losses to St.Kilda fell into, though I don't know why I'm even bothering to argue this point, as I said it's a completely simplistic and fascile comparison that you made...

Finally to the Freo game...again you're blinded by stats , because apart from you and the umpires it seems, the entire football world agrees his effectiveness and influence on the game was severly curtailed by the efforts of McPhee..his direct opponent.... stop trying to defend the indefensible and just admit it RT...they were 5 votes from two games that just can't be justified at all.

 

[cakewalk_1]

How Swan was deemed to only have two BOG games is beyond me.

Agree.

BTW, he got 38 touches in a game against Nth and didn't get one vote. Someone else posted here that Carlton got smashed by 9 goals, against us actually, and Judd got 3 votes. go figure.

Nothing against Judd he is a superstar. But was he a standout player this year? He just made the bench in the AA team and some of the experts said Hayes should have got in.

Anyway all history now. I'm looking forward to taking my seat in Q23 row W.

 

[Mr Magic]

Yeah , for once I have some sympathy for Collingwood!

Now I will wash my mouth out with Soap!!!!

 

[_RT_]

Firstly...the Collingwood game wasn't just a loss ..it was a THRASHING by a similarly placed team on the ladder, tell me what "impact" he had in REAL terms, not figures ...should he get BOG for turning a 75 point loss in to a 55 point loss?

Where does 75 points come from? The Pies biggest margin during the game prior to the last quarter blowout was 39 point halfway through the second quarter. The Blues got the margin back to 3 points midway through the third quarter before the Pies got a run on and kicked 11 of the last 14 goals which blew the margin out to the eventual 53 points.

Perhaps that is why Judd got 3 votes in that game because he hauled his team back from a 6 goal deficit to get them within 3 points.

As for the Freo game as I said even though McPhee did an 'outstanding' job on Judd he still was the highest possession getter for the game along side Barlow. If the umpires are given stats to help them make their decisions they would have seen this and awarded him votes on that basis. If restricting Judd to a 30 possession game is the mark of someone having done a good job, then we must have some great taggers in our side as Judd rarely gets 30 when playing us over the last few years.

BTW I'm not defending him getting the votes just trying to explain why he may have got the votes.

 

[Mr Magic]

Sounds like Barlow should have got the three.

But he is new so he can't I guess

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

Where does 75 points come from? The Pies biggest margin during the game prior to the last quarter blowout was 39 point halfway through the second quarter. The Blues got the margin back to 3 points midway through the third quarter before the Pies got a run on and kicked 11 of the last 14 goals which blew the margin out to the eventual 53 points.

Perhaps that is why Judd got 3 votes in that game because he hauled his team back from a 6 goal deficit to get them within 3 points.

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Either way all he really did was effect the margin, which was still over 50...seeing as you like comparing Judds votes in Carlton defeats to votes from our losses....then put it this way..would you have given BOG to any Richmond player in our 50 point loss to Adelaide, just because we were still within a kick a 3/4 time?

 

[Cutty]

Judd's win just signifies how much this is an umpires gift and not a popular vote a la AFLPA MVP award.

It is also an inditement on the remaining players at Carlton. So many high draft picks and no players capable of standing up without Judd to carry their sorry butts.

Carlton without Judd = spoons

 

[_RT_]

Either way all he really did was effect the margin, which was still over 50...seeing as you like comparing Judds votes in Carlton defeats to votes from our losses....then put it this way..would you have given BOG to any Richmond player in our 50 point loss to Adelaide, just because we were still within a kick a 3/4 time?

The highlighted part just adds to my point, the Blues were the 39 points down before half time, midway through the 3rd they were 3 points down, reckon that might have been due to the influence Judd had on the game.

As for the Crows game, if they had a game where they had 38 possessions with 22 contested, won 11 clearances and sent the ball inside 50 10 times then yes I would have.

 

[Spluff]

If they had a game where they had 38 possessions with 22 contested, won 11 clearances and sent the ball inside 50 10 times then yes I would have.

He had 37 posessions. It's just a pity he also had a game high 6 clangers, only 1 tackle, and very very poor kicking efficiency.

 

[_RT_]

He had 37 posessions. It's just a pity he also had a game high 6 clangers, only 1 tackle, and very very poor kicking efficiency.

Like the posters on here, who make excuses for our contested ball winners when their kicking efficiency and clanger counts are brought up, I'm going to blame those clangers and poor kicking efficeincy on Judd being under pressure as a result of winning so much contested ball.

The fact still remains, Judd had more possessions, more clearances and more I50's than any other player and was probably seen as the main reason his side got back into the game after being down 39 points midway through the second quarter.

 

[Mario Speedwagon]

The highlighted part just adds to my point, the Blues were the 39 points down before half time, midway through the 3rd they were 3 points down, reckon that might have been due to the influence Judd had on the game.

As for the Crows game, if they had a game where they had 38 possessions with 22 contested, won 11 clearances and sent the ball inside 50 10 times then yes I would have.

I thought you weren't defending him?

And if you think a sentence that ends with the words "the margin which was STILL OVER 50" adds to your point then we really are going in circles....nonetheless I'll give it one last shot....are you saying that if a Richmond player had Judds stats in that game, and the game panned out the same with same score...you'd award him BOG ahead of McCleod & Goodwin who tore us a new one in the last quarter...or even single vote winner Maric and Johncock who recieved none? All those guys were matchwinners....not gallant losers in lost causes,...I'm talking about huge losses here not narrow defeats...FWIW I thought Cotchin was clearly BOG v Hawthorn....that was 3 point loss that should've been a win but for ...well the same idiots that gave out the votes....(well that and Tuck's lack of awareness)....now that's a case of a player nearly dragging his team over the line single-handedly....53 points tells me Judd didn't even come close to those kind of heroics....

 

[scomac]

Judd's win just signifies how much this is an umpires gift and not a popular vote a la AFLPA MVP award.

It is also an inditement on the remaining players at Carlton. So many high draft picks and no players capable of standing up without Judd to carry their sorry butts.

Carlton without Judd = spoons

Look wether you like it or not he won the Brownlow,he is a terrific inside mid and your last line while, rather pedantic is probably close to the mark.

 

[brett15]

Like the posters on here, who make excuses for our contested ball winners when their kicking efficiency and clanger counts are brought up, I'm going to blame those clangers and poor kicking efficeincy on Judd being under pressure as a result of winning so much contested ball.

The fact still remains, Judd had more possessions, more clearances and more I50's than any other player and was probably seen as the main reason his side got back into the game after being down 39 points midway through the second quarter.

Despite those 37 disposals champion data still ranked 8 players higher then judd including a few of them being his own team mates in murphy, bower, scotland and russell.

In the Freo game Barlow and Sandilands were easily the best 2 players on the ground for that game with 9 players ranked higher in that game.

 

[Cutty]

Look wether you like it or not he won the Brownlow,he is a terrific inside mid and your last line while, rather pedantic is probably close to the mark.

Ill admit to being somewhat facetious with that last comment

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Ill admit to being somewhat facetious with that last comment

...DAMM...and there i was thinking you were serious...silly me......

 

[Cutty]

...DAMM...and there i was thinking you were serious...silly me......

I said somewhat, there is definitley a nugget of truth in there