Current Julie Cutler - Murder - 1988 - Cottesloe WA *To the Coroner

[BFew]

Inquest into the Suspected death of Julie CUTLER

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER, Julie Leanne.pdf (49 pages)
'[2023] WACOR 19
JURISDICTION : CORONER'S COURT OF WESTERN AUSTRALIA
ACT : CORONERS ACT 1996
CORONER : SARAH HELEN LINTON, DEPUTY STATE CORONER HEARD :
3 - 4 NOVEMBER 2022 DELIVERED : 6 APRIL 2023
FILE NO/S : CORC 830 of 2019
DECEASED : CUTLER, JULIE LEANNE'

 

[mrskafoops]

Julie's last confirmed sighting was 12.30am on Monday morning after the staff party, so if the Kebab shop was closed and the items left in there were hers, they were left after it opened again?

If the shop was in an arcade, I assume it would have opened probably around 9.00am on the Monday when the roller doors came up?

Yes, I’d say around that time. I haven’t been able to get any info online about Sunday trading hours. I’m not sure if it would’ve opened earlier for some shops like cafes etc? So, yes if the uniform was hers then it was left after she went missing. At the inquest though Detective Hamilton said that the police haven’t confirmed it is a Parmelia Hilton shirt, which contradicts what the media have reported. On one hand you have the media, on the other someone in a court under oath. That doesn’t mean that it isn’t a Parmelia uniform, they just can’t confirm that.
White shirts and black stockings are common in hospitality so really it could have come from anyone at any time. I’m sure the arcade was busy.
Even though one was shown at the press conference (the old photo of the officer holding up the blouse) there wasn’t a black tie with it, or rather the tie was never mentioned at the inquest, only shirt, plastic bag, stockings. Maybe the tie was forgotten which is why no one mentioned it?

 

[Kurve]

Even though one was shown at the press conference (the old photo of the officer holding up the blouse) there wasn’t a black tie with it, or rather the tie was never mentioned at the inquest, only shirt, plastic bag, stockings. Maybe the tie was forgotten which is why no one mentioned it?

Looks a bit like the tie may have been sewn on to the collar? That might make sense for washing and dry cleaning as that tie is quite long and I can imagine with a lot of shirts to do, they could get tangled up quite easily.

Perhaps that's why the tie wasn't mentioned if it wasn't a separate item but part of the shirt? This could also go towards a more distinctive feature of the Parmelia Hilton shirt.

A young woman vanishes after leaving a work party, her car found in the sea. 34 years on, there are no answers

Julie Cutler disappeared in mysterious circumstances in 1988 after visiting a high-end nightclub. It's one of Perth's most baffling mysteries, but it's hoped an inquest can shed light on the decades-old case.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Kurve]

There's a picture of Juilie in here somewhere in a white shirt with a bow tie, I've been through 50 plus pages and can't find it to know if it's confirmed as her work uniform.

Anyway, just a reminder that two bags were missing out of Julie's car one was her shoulder bag and the other was a biggish square makeup case. While this looks like a Parmelia Hotel staff uniform, nobody's saying much about whether she was wearing a vest over the shirt. That isn't strictly a crisp bow tie either.

 

[Kurve]

Two bags.

 

[gymjam]

Julie's last confirmed sighting was 12.30am on Monday morning after the staff party, so if the Kebab shop was closed and the items left in there were hers, they were left after it opened again?

If the shop was in an arcade, I assume it would have opened probably around 9.00am on the Monday when the roller doors came up?

I haven't seen a media report that details when the plastic bag containing the shirt and stockings were initially found, it would be very interesting to know. I also wonder who the woman was that rang the newspaper reporter pretending to be Julie indicating she wanted to be left alone, sounds like a copycat of what the Birnies made victims do when they were made to phone parents or friends to indicate they were just taking time out.

Edited to correct typo.

 

[gymjam]

The photo of the white shirt showed it with what looks like a separate long detachable black tie-like strip that would be fashioned into a loose bow imo. Now I am searching for that photo. Great article thanks.

There's a picture of Juilie in here somewhere in a white shirt with a bow tie, I've been through 50 plus pages and can't find it to know if it's confirmed as her work uniform.

Anyway, just a reminder that two bags were missing out of Julie's car one was her shoulder bag and the other was a biggish square makeup case. While this looks like a Parmelia Hotel staff uniform, nobody's saying much about whether she was wearing a vest over the shirt. That isn't strictly a crisp bow tie either.

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[gymjam]

The photo of the white shirt showed it with what looks like a separate long detachable black tie-like strip that would be fashioned into a loose bow imo. Now I am searching for that photo. Great article thanks.
Edit the white shirt is in the article being held on show by a detective.

How police let key pieces of evidence slip through their fingers after Julie Cutler vanished without a trace

A police investigation into the 1988 disappearance of Julie Cutler was hampered by lost evidence that could have yielded crucial clues into the suspected death of the bubbly 22-year-old.

www.abc.net.au

There's a picture of Juilie in here somewhere in a white shirt with a bow tie, I've been through 50 plus pages and can't find it to know if it's confirmed as her work uniform.

Anyway, just a reminder that two bags were missing out of Julie's car one was her shoulder bag and the other was a biggish square makeup case. While this looks like a Parmelia Hotel staff uniform, nobody's saying much about whether she was wearing a vest over the shirt. That isn't strictly a crisp bow tie either.

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[gymjam]

The tie may have been sewn on to the collar? That might make sense for washing and dry cleaning as that tie is quite long and I can imagine with a lot of shirts to do, they could get tangled up quite easily.

Perhaps that's why the tie wasn't mentioned if it wasn't a separate item but part of the shirt? This could also go towards a more distinctive feature of the Parmelia Hilton shirt.



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A young woman vanishes after leaving a work party, her car found in the sea. 34 years on, there are no answers

Julie Cutler disappeared in mysterious circumstances in 1988 after visiting a high-end nightclub. It's one of Perth's most baffling mysteries, but it's hoped an inquest can shed light on the decades-old case.

www.abc.net.au

Looks like there was also a series of vertical pintucks and a rolled high collar not a normal shirt collar and buttoned enclosure at the front.

 

[Kurve]

The tie may have been sewn on to the collar? That might make sense for washing and dry cleaning as that tie is quite long and I can imagine with a lot of shirts to do, they could get tangled up quite easily.

Looks like there was also a series of vertical pintucks and a rolled high collar not a normal shirt collar and buttoned enclosure at the front.

They weren't a common shirt and were identifiable as Parmelia staff uniform, as per a reference earlier in this thread there was only 37 of those particular shirts.

The pin tucks might make sense to go under the vest, or is it a bib attached to the skirt? I hope the Coroner can provide more on it.

 

[mrskafoops]

Kurve

 

[Kurve]

Kurve

Thanks, looking for that in here was getting tedious. I'm not sure Julie's in a Parmelia Hilton uniform shirt in that image with a crisp bow tie, unless she's looped the tie around her neck a couple of times to take up the slack and form a bow. The collar looks different though, the shirt she's wearing in the image might actually be a man's shirt I think?

 

[Kurve]

Just worth a mention I think given I've got a strong sense that Julie met with foul play, Edwards was asked about Julie Cutler through his police interview on the Claremont murders and if he'd been excluded or they didn't think there was a possibility he actually was involved, they wouldn't have.

 

[gymjam]

Kurve

Thanks MrsK. WOW that photo showing Julie wearing sunglasses depicts her wearing a totally different style of white shirt than what was in the plastic bag. I am trying to find the FB link that showed historical Parmelia staff photos I think you posted it.

 

[gymjam]

They weren't a common shirt and identifiable as Parmelia staff uniform, as per a reference earlier in this thread there was only 37 of those particular shirts.

The pin tucks might make sense to go under the vest, or is it a bib attached to the skirt? I hope the Coroner can provide more on it.

I wonder if room attendee staff and I believe that was what Julie's work involved, wore different type/style of shirts and ties for day and night shifts. To me it looks as though the bow tie shirt buttonholes are on the left front-side of the shirt. Does that show it was a male or female shirt?

 

[gymjam]

Kurve

Mrs K are there initial publishing dates for the news article photos?

 

[gymjam]

Thanks, looking for that in here was getting tedious. I'm not sure Julie's in a Parmelia Hilton uniform shirt in that image with a crisp bow tie, unless she's looped the tie around her neck a couple of times to take up the slack and form a bow. The collar looks different though, the shirt she's wearing in the image might actually be a man's shirt I think?

The bow-tie shirt appears to have a scalloped leading edge to the buttonhole strip and does the shirt have short sleeves (see right-side arm) and Julie's wearing a lighter-weight material long sleeved t-shirt top under it or is she wearing a short-sleeved t-shirt under a long sleeved uniform short?

Kurve you could be correct in that the shirt appears to be made for a male, as the buttonhole side appears to be on the left side of the front. Whereas a shirt designed for a female normally has the buttonhole side on the right side of the front.

And is that a tie from an apron just above Julie's waist?

I am now considering this photo may have been taken when Julie was on her o/seas journey in 1987? Is it possible Julie had worked in a cafe or restaurant somewhere? Does that that looks like a bottle of sunscreen lotion to Julie's right side?

 

[mrskafoops]

Mrs K are there initial publishing dates for the news article photos?

I’m trying to find where it originated from…I think from memory it was a news video clip.
Someone has suggested to me that Julie is wearing a Blues Brothers fancy dress costume and it’s not work related at all.

 

[BFew]

I’m trying to find where it originated from…I think from memory it was a news video clip.
Someone has suggested to me that Julie is wearing a Blues Brothers fancy dress costume and it’s not work related at all.

Maybe it's the clothes of a male friend of hers?

 

[GreyCrow]

The bow-tie shirt appears to have a scalloped leading edge to the buttonhole strip and does the shirt have short sleeves (see right-side arm) and Julie's wearing a lighter-weight material long sleeved t-shirt top under it or is she wearing a short-sleeved t-shirt under a long sleeved uniform short?

Kurve you could be correct in that the shirt appears to be made for a male, as the buttonhole side appears to be on the left side of the front. Whereas a shirt designed for a female normally has the buttonhole side on the right side of the front.

And is that a tie from an apron just above Julie's waist?

I am now considering this photo may have been taken when Julie was on her o/seas journey in 1987? Is it possible Julie had worked in a cafe or restaurant somewhere? Does that that looks like a bottle of sunscreen lotion to Julie's right side?

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Everytime I see this picture I think music video around that time - or tv advert. Could just be because it is a still from a video piece.

I looked up Robert Palmer videos ( in the name of crime busting of course ) but nope

So a few things - yes that looks like apron string. If it was a BB costume it needs the black jacket

On the sideboard is hand cream/lotion and either a condom or a tab of pills and the fitted sheet has come off the corner of the mattress.

More holiday to me

 

[Kurve]

I’m trying to find where it originated from…I think from memory it was a news video clip.
Someone has suggested to me that Julie is wearing a Blues Brothers fancy dress costume and it’s not work related at all.

I do remember something about that now in that Julie was going to a fancy dress, I must have forgotten. Looks like it too.

 

[mrskafoops]

Thanks MrsK. WOW that photo showing Julie wearing sunglasses depicts her wearing a totally different style of white shirt than what was in the plastic bag. I am trying to find the FB link that showed historical Parmelia staff photos I think you posted it.

No, that’s wasn’t me..

 

[BFew]

The Julie Cutler inquest finding is out.

Tragic disappearance of Julie Cutler unlikely to be solved

The mystery of how missing Perth woman Julie Cutler died — and whether she was murdered — is unlikely to ever be solved after a coroner said she could not come to any firm conclusion about her fate.

thewest.com.au

Julie Cutler's death 'beyond reasonable doubt' but 35 years later little else is certain

A coronial inquest into one of WA's most baffling missing person cases uncovers no new information on what happened to Julie Cutler, other than it is "beyond reasonable doubt" she is dead.

www.abc.net.au

'Julie Cutler inquest: report into mystery disappearance of Perth woman 35 years ago handed down​

Posted 2h ago, updated 54m ago

A coronial inquest into one of Western Australia's most baffling missing person cases has uncovered no new information on what happened to Julie Cutler, other than it is "beyond reasonable doubt" she is dead.'
...
In her report released on Thursday afternoon, Ms Linton was unable to determine whether Ms Cutler was a victim of homicide, or took her own life.

"It is very rare in this state for a young woman to simply disappear, even more so with the strange circumstance of her empty car then being found in the ocean," she said.

"The Western Australian community has shared Julie's family's bafflement, concern and desire for answers.

"Losing a loved one prematurely is painful enough without having to suffer the hurt of having no body to bury and no idea where they are or what happened to them.

"With regret, I am therefore unable to give Julie's family and friends the answers they seek."

Ms Linton said the inquest could only offer Ms Cutler's family "formal recognition" she had died around the same time she went missing.

Claremont killings link​

Ms Linton noted the similarities between Ms Cutler's disappearance and those of Jane Rimmer and Ciara Glennon, who were abducted and murdered by Claremont killer Bradley Robert Edwards several years later.

However, she said Ms Cutler was last seen "safely driving away" from the hotel carpark, whereas Edwards' modus operandi was to abduct young women who were on foot.

She said although Edwards had declined to cooperate with police since his convictions for the Claremont killings, he had earlier denied knowledge of Ms Cutler, and police "have concluded there is no compelling evidence to elevate him above the many other persons of possible interest" in her disappearance.
...
"Unfortunately, it is equally open on the evidence to find that Julie died as a result of suicide as it is to find that she died as a result of homicide."
...
"The investigation remains open, subject to any new information arising," she wrote.
"However, depending on how Julie died, it is possible those answers may never be forthcoming."

 

[BFew]

IMO, most likely spelt Mokhtar.

https://www.coronerscourt.wa.gov.au/_files/Inquest_2023/CUTLER,%20Julie%20Leanne.pdf

'114. A gentleman by the name of Mokhtar Khir was working as the General Manager of the Merlin Hotel and investigations suggested that Julie had possibly been in a relationship with him at the time she disappeared.

Mr Mokhtar was spoken to by police on 24 June 1988 and he said he had met Julie two weeks prior to her disappearance at the disco at the Merlin Hotel and he later escorted her to the casino, where they were together until about 4.00 am.

They made plans to meet several days later but Julie did not keep the appointment. Mr Mokhtar told police he last spoke to Julie on 16 June 1988 when he rang her at the hotel. He invited her out to dinner, which she declined.

Mr Mokhtar was married at the time and denied any sexual involvement with Julie.

Detective Carey interviewed Mr Mokhtar and believed he had associated with Julie but there was no evidence to suggest he had any connection to Julie’s disappearance.(159)

'159 T 88; Exhibit 1, Tab 31.'

 

[BFew]

'114. A gentleman by the name of Mokhtar Khir was working as the General Manager of the Merlin Hotel and investigations suggested that Julie had possibly been in a relationship with him at the time she disappeared.

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'Mokhtar Khir​

Group Director-Operations, Boustead Hotels, Boustead Holdings Bhd.​

Mokhtar Khir is Group Director-Operations at Boustead Hotels & Resorts Sdn. Bhd. and Group Director-Operations & Boustead Hotels at Boustead Holdings Bhd.

In the past Mr. Khir held the position of General Manager for Merlin Inn Cameron Highlands, General Manager of The Merlin Subang, General Manager for The Merlin Kuala Lumpur, General Manager at Merlin Perth Hotel, General Manager at Fraser's Hill Merlin Hotel Sdn. Bhd. and General Manager-Hotel Operations at Landmarks Bhd.'