Justin Sherman

[StringyDog]

At $400k a year to honour his back ended contract with Brisbane, I doubt there will be too many clubs interested.

He's a good player, but not worth being paid what the top 5 players at your club get.

Apart from GC what club's can afford to pay $400k a year for him ?

A deal would more than likely be done so Brisbane pays ~100K of his deal and the new club only pays ~300K depending what they get in return.

 

[Hollow Knight]

Well it's been the worst kept secret for the last couple of days but Sherman is now confirmed to be up for trade.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/sport/justin-sherman-latest-to-flee-brisbane-lions-den/story-e6frg7mf-1225925056761

Richmond's second rounder on offer but other clubs interested too.

Probably seems around the mark. Hard to pin an exact value on him as he is the ultimate hot & cold player.

Assuming his new club takes on most of the contract, Brisbane's salary cap will now be back under control.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Interesting on Footy Classifieds last night the ever reliable Hutchy reported Sherman has asked to leave.
1) I wonder if the Fev allegations towards shermans wife have any truth?
2) What would Shermans trade value be worth for a pick.
3) What clubs would be willing to trade a player for Sherman?

I think Armitage if he isn't GC bound would be a good trade.

What are these allegations about Fevola and Mrs Sherminator , private message me if you are worried about ramifications thanks.

Was its Shermans wife in the park in Brisbane a few weeks ago?

 

[DoWhat]

She was a mother of four, Sherman isn't he 24 or so...quick work that!

 

[Punchy Demons]

In an even & just world I think he is probably worth a pick in the 20 - 30 range. However, Brisbane might be willing to accept a less than ideal trade pick if the new club is willing to take on his entire contract. Which could result in trade involving a pick 30+.

 

[DivideandMultiply]

A deal would more than likely be done so Brisbane pays ~100K of his deal and the new club only pays ~300K depending what they get in return.

Interesting.

Our second rounder sits before Richmonds but would we be willing to part with it?

A player salary bidding war with a club like GC would not be in our best interest with many of our young guys beginning to mature and maybe need new contracts over the next couple of years.

We will need to offer guys like Naitanui top dollar with GWS on the prowl.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Not sure we could trade for him, if we did I'd love to have Sherman in the side. He played a cracker against us at the MCG a couple of years back - your best in a losing side. Would give that outside run we are searching for now, and with Eagleton's retirement if he plays to his strengths he wont have too much competition for a spot in the side.

What would Brisbane want from the Bulldogs list for him, realistically?

A straight swap back, Akermanis for Sherman, Voss is big on getting to the trade table so anything put in front of him he will jump at. Voss would jump at that trade..

 

[HFF]

This is unbelievable really as to what is happening at Brisbane. You'd think that this exodus was on the back of too many superstars in the one team, hence the salary cap pressures.

They loaded up last year because Voss felt they could push for a flag tilt and now they are losing three of their "very good" players and possibly a fourth in Drummond not to mention Bradshaw too. All these players have virtually been replaced by names such as X Clarke, Buchanan, Staker, Raines, Maguire and Fev(gun).

This is a serious implosion and poor list management. Much worse than Rossy Lyons trade week debacle last season.

 

[TigerTime88]

Brisbane are really F**** considering there top 5 players are:

Brown (28/29), Black (30's), Power (30), Fevola (29 and possibly deregistered).

Plus they have no good young kids coming through in their midfield bar Rich.

They have lost Rischatelli, Sherman, Brennan, Bradshaw....and all when 2 compromised drafts are upon us...wow!

 

[bombermick]

He can be a quality player but he was terrible this year. Essendon have plenty of outside midfielders who can go missing. I wouldn't mind Essendon chasing Brennan hard. He can be inconsistent but can play any position on the field and would give a huge amount of flexibility.

 

[.Shotties.]

Plus they have no good young kids coming through in their midfield bar Rich.

Banfield, Redden and Rockliff.

 

[Quigley]

Brisbane are really F**** considering there top 5 players are:

Brown (28/29), Black (30's), Power (30), Fevola (29 and possibly deregistered).

Plus they have no good young kids coming through in their midfield bar Rich.

They have lost Rischatelli, Sherman, Brennan, Bradshaw....and all when 2 compromised drafts are upon us...wow!

Thanks for playing the trolling game but if you never watch Brisbane play and you can't count to 5 then you just look like a fool. Good young kids is not one of our problems.

Have a look at the rising star nominations from this year if you never watch us play. In addition to those three excellent prospects Bartlett has enormous talent from the 09 draft (rated at 5 by wiseby) and should be good when he gets back on the park. Harwood and Hanley also both looked very promising when they got a chance at the end of the year. Beams was our best performed reserves player in the second half of the year and didn't get a chance to play due to money issues.

Its our lack of midaged talent that is causing the problems and are the ones leaving.

DT13 - Sherman leaving is not a result of poor list management it is a factor of conflict with our high performance manager. With that said there has been some very poor list management going back to the mid half of the decade. Gubby Allen was in that role and lead the way last year, stuffed up our cap situation and then took the bags of cash GWS were offerring. Allen was in charge of drafting up until he was relieved of those duties in 08 when Hadley took over. Since then our drafting performance has improved enormously. Rob Kerr has taken over list management and hopefully he is equally adept at getting out from under the mess created by Gubby Allen.

 

[Juddys_navy_blues]

Thanks for playing the trolling game but if you never watch Brisbane play and you can't count to 5 then you just look like a fool.

Good young kids is not one of our problems.

Have a look at the rising star nominations from this year if you never watch us play. In addition to those three excellent prospects Bartlett has enormous talent from the 09 draft (rated at 5 by wiseby) and should be good when he gets back on the park. Harwood and Hanley also both looked very promising when they got a chance at the end of the year. Beams was our best performed reserves player in the second half of the year and didn't get a chance to play due to money issues.

Its our lack of midaged talent that is causing the problems and are the ones leaving.

DT13 - Sherman leaving is not a result of poor list management it is a factor of conflict with our high performance manager. With that said there has been some very poor list management going back to the mid half of the decade. Gubby Allen was in that role and lead the way last year, stuffed up our cap situation and then took the bags of cash GWS were offerring. Allen was in charge of drafting up until he was relieved of those duties in 08 when Hadley took over. Since then our drafting performance has improved enormously. Rob Kerr has taken over list management and hopefully he is equally adept at getting out from under the mess created by Gubby Allen.

Really laughed at that too. What is happening with Travis johnstone? Will he remain on the list, be possible traded or delisted? If Brisbane are to shop him around i suggest they hold him down, shave off his beard, cut his hair and introduce him to a bar of soap and a can of deodrant, he looks like Jesus or a modern day hippy and it looks bloody stupid.

 

[the mighty T]

Quigley, allow me to be a bit more...diplomatic then the previous poster

As an outsider looking in, i can see to an extent where he's coming from, because it certainly appears that the talent thats left the lions since the end of last season outweighs the players the club has brought in.

Outs: Brennan, Sherman, Bradshaw, Rischatelli and potentially drummond (although there may be some cap room to save that now). Theres also the possibility that you might love Fev as well due to his off field issues

Ins: Staker (has been pretty good), Maguire (i thought he was very good this season), Fev (Is better than his output this season), X Clark, Buchanan and Raines (Disappointing but wasnt expecting much)

Now factor in that players like Banfield and Rockliff have come into the side and look extremely promising, the fact is that the Lions still seem to have lost more than theyve gained this season.

Losing three players this season that can play through the middle and are quite talented is a massive blow. It would be like collingwood losing pendlebury, wellingham and Ball at the end of this season...nomatter what the depth is and what you get in return, its going to have an impact!

I hope the lions can turn it around and they can minimize their losses of this season and move on to a better 2011

 

[TigerTime88]

Banfield plays more forward than midfield. Rockliff is a gun and I did forget about him. Redden in my opinion is an average player.

Callum Bartlett was one of my favourite players of last years draft, however he did his knee again and that is a real worry.

Plus that is 3 players currently getting a gig and not all in the midfield and also Bartlett. It is going to take alot more than those couple of average to decent young kids (none are really guns except for Rockliff) to lift your midfield back up.

Simon Black will be one of the biggest losses a team has experainced in the last decade when he leaves imo such is his greatness. No one on your list not even Rockliff looks to even be in the same league.

Apologies for coming off harsh but I really think Brisbane are in a deep whole right now and with the stars they have all around the 30 mark and comprimised drafts you will be sturggling for a long time, as my team has.

 

[Sin City]

Brisbane are really F**** considering there top 5 players are:

Brown (28/29), Black (30's), Power (30), Fevola (29 and possibly deregistered).

Now I'm no mathematician but.................................

 

[TigerTime88]

Now I'm no mathematician but.................................

Sorry meant that those players would be in there top 5. After that I would probably say Mitch Clarke but he is a youngster and a gun.

 

[The Flying Belgian]

Outs: Brennan, Sherman, Bradshaw, Rischatelli and potentially drummond (although there may be some cap room to save that now). Theres also the possibility that you might love Fev as well due to his off field issues

Always good to see someone take the time to be coherent!

Whilst the sight of those three (Drummond will stay, was never a chance of leave really) does signal some problems internally, I think those three are expendable. I might be accused on spin, but I think it's true. The indictment is probably more on the recruitment pre-2008 under Allan and/or Craig Brittain, that we have very few high-calibre selections from that time. Sure we did trade away Wood and Henderson, but I think neither is those has lived up to expectations (a bit early on Henderson perhaps).

Brennan and Sherman can be explosive and match-winners on their day, but are terribly inconsistent, with Sherman in particular liable to go missing for half a season or more - as we've seen this year, and it's not the first time either. Brennan hurts a little, but he's not worth the coin reportedly being offered elsewhere.

Rischitelli is solid (well, this year more so than previously) but is fairly unspectacular and while it may take a year or so, we've got players who can step into his role.

I would have preferred to keep Bradshaw and not recruit Fev, but Braddy's getting on and had his share of injury concerns during the past 5 or so year. The less said about the Fev the better...

Think you're underselling Pendlebury there, comparing him to Brennan!

 

[The Sloane Ranger]

Brisbane are really F**** considering there top 5 players are:

Brown (28/29), Black (30's), Power (30), Fevola (29 and possibly deregistered).

Plus they have no good young kids coming through in their midfield bar Rich.

They have lost Rischatelli, Sherman, Brennan, Bradshaw....and all when 2 compromised drafts are upon us...wow!

agree

IMO Brisbane are the new basket case of the AFL

The knock on affect of the Fev trade has been huge, their list management has been appaulling, for the lions to have salary cap issues given the quality of their list, this is nothing but total list management negligence

 

[Quigley]

Okay have we lost more than is coming in? Absolutely at least in the short term. Rischitelli and Brennan we have lost because of big money offers that we would have been crazy to meet. Sherman had a poor season and had a bust up with Collins who was backed by Voss so has requested a trade. Selwood has been delisted by the club but that was on performance more than anything else.

Drummond will definately stay. Before we started to lose all of these players I expected Johnstone to be one of the first delisted but if he is prepared to play on a reduced contract I think he will stay. He might not want to do that and remain in Brisbane but he is now over 30 and a fringe 22 player so not a big loss if he decides to go. He would only be kept on on the basis that he adds some experience to a very inexperienced squad.

Of the ins this year Staker was better than expected. Maguire was good when he was on the park but he had a few injury problems. He adds something to our team when he is there and for basically the last pick in the draft he was okay. Voss always said this year for X wasn't about playing it was about getting his body right and he didn't expect much. We got him for pick 60ish and again I don't really have a problem with it and he is a guy who could be good if he gets on the park. Buchanan and Raines were stuff ups and were always stuff ups. I was always against the Fevola acquisition but Fevola and Bartlett (don't forget he was in that trade) for Henderson and Lucas is not the worst trade on paper. Fevola started well but injury and family issues turned things downhill. Culture was hurt with his acquisition more than anything else. We were never going to give Bradshaw a three year deal (and this year has demonstrated that we were right) and he would have always gone to Sydney.

As far as our young mids go:

Rich - learning to deal with a tag but could / should become a gun.
Rocky - love the kid. He is a ball magnet and leader. Gun
Redden - hard at it inside out player who is one of the best tacklers in the competition. He showed nice skills and goal scoring ability last year but went backwards this year when there was no skill work done. That is changing and I expect his skills to return.
Banfield - played the year up forward because we didn't have anyone else and did a nice job. Up until this year he played all his football as a winger and his pace and one touch skills will add a lot to the midfield when we get a couple of reasonable small forwards.
Harwood - big bodied, hard at it inside mid who would be one of the hardest tacklers in the competition as an 18 year old. From a difficult background and came on in leaps and bounds this year.
Hanley - big bodied, quick Irishman who played at HB at the end of the season and showed real flair. Big ball winner in the midfield in the reserves and he does things with the ball that traditional players wouldn't even consider. With Drummond back next year I expect him to move to the wing. Adds skill and pace to a group really in need of it and showed he can get the ball at AFL level (over 17 ppg in the last month of the season).
Beams - plays a lot like his brother but maybe more inside. Improved enormously over the year and has good skills, ball winning ability and pace. Was a late returner to AFL after trying cricket. Budgetary issues were apparently the reason he wasn't promoted over the year. Played for the Qld senior side against Tas this year.
Bartlett - very talented outside in player who did his other knee after being named as an emergency two weeks in a row.

There are quite a few other prospects and not all of the above is going to work out as I hope but there is definate talent there. We will also get quite a few picks this year and will draft more than a few mids. We have been forced into a rebuild where a year ago we were comfortable with our core and were adding complementary players to allow us to compete with the best teams.

The guys we have lost have been been good players but not crucial players and all are relatively easily replaceable. They were not key structural guys and the team we have left should be competitive and probably improved from this year with the extra year's development on the young guys. We won't have depth though and if we have anywhere near the injuries we had this year we are in deep trouble. The starting 22 I think is still pretty good. Atm and without any new players included I see it as:

B McGrath Merrett Staker
HB Adcock Patfull Drummond
C Clarke Rich Rockliff
HF Banfield Brown Power
F Polkinghorne Fevola Proud
R Leuenberger Black Redden
Int Clark Harwood Hanley Stiller
Emerg Maguire Cornelius Johnstone Hawksley

Others who will be in the mix - Charman, Buchanan, Raines, Collier, Austin, Beams, Retzlaff, O'Brien, Sheldon.

Add to that the 5 or so top 35 selections and other youngsters like Bartlett and we are not looking too bad. Top 4 - no way, top 8 - unlikely, 8-13 - probably, 14-17 - unlikely. There are worse lists in the AFL.

 

[TigerTime88]

Okay have we lost more than is coming in? Absolutely at least in the short term. Rischitelli and Brennan we have lost because of big money offers that we would have been crazy to meet. Sherman had a poor season and had a bust up with Collins who was backed by Voss so has requested a trade. Selwood has been delisted by the club but that was on performance more than anything else.

Drummond will definately stay. Before we started to lose all of these players I expected Johnstone to be one of the first delisted but if he is prepared to play on a reduced contract I think he will stay. He might not want to do that and remain in Brisbane but he is now over 30 and a fringe 22 player so not a big loss if he decides to go. He would only be kept on on the basis that he adds some experience to a very inexperienced squad.

Of the ins this year Staker was better than expected. Maguire was good when he was on the park but he had a few injury problems. He adds something to our team when he is there and for basically the last pick in the draft he was okay. Voss always said this year for X wasn't about playing it was about getting his body right and he didn't expect much. We got him for pick 60ish and again I don't really have a problem with it and he is a guy who could be good if he gets on the park. Buchanan and Raines were stuff ups and were always stuff ups. I was always against the Fevola acquisition but Fevola and Bartlett (don't forget he was in that trade) for Henderson and Lucas is not the worst trade on paper. Fevola started well but injury and family issues turned things downhill. Culture was hurt with his acquisition more than anything else. We were never going to give Bradshaw a three year deal (and this year has demonstrated that we were right) and he would have always gone to Sydney.

As far as our young mids go:

Rich - learning to deal with a tag but could / should become a gun.
Rocky - love the kid. He is a ball magnet and leader. Gun
Redden - hard at it inside out player who is one of the best tacklers in the competition. He showed nice skills and goal scoring ability last year but went backwards this year when there was no skill work done. That is changing and I expect his skills to return.
Banfield - played the year up forward because we didn't have anyone else and did a nice job. Up until this year he played all his football as a winger and his pace and one touch skills will add a lot to the midfield when we get a couple of reasonable small forwards.
Harwood - big bodied, hard at it inside mid who would be one of the hardest tacklers in the competition as an 18 year old. From a difficult background and came on in leaps and bounds this year.
Hanley - big bodied, quick Irishman who played at HB at the end of the season and showed real flair. Big ball winner in the midfield in the reserves and he does things with the ball that traditional players wouldn't even consider. With Drummond back next year I expect him to move to the wing. Adds skill and pace to a group really in need of it and showed he can get the ball at AFL level (over 17 ppg in the last month of the season).
Beams - plays a lot like his brother but maybe more inside. Improved enormously over the year and has good skills, ball winning ability and pace. Was a late returner to AFL after trying cricket. Budgetary issues were apparently the reason he wasn't promoted over the year. Played for the Qld senior side against Tas this year.
Bartlett - very talented outside in player who did his other knee after being named as an emergency two weeks in a row.

There are quite a few other prospects and not all of the above is going to work out as I hope but there is definate talent there. We will also get quite a few picks this year and will draft more than a few mids. We have been forced into a rebuild where a year ago we were comfortable with our core and were adding complementary players to allow us to compete with the best teams.

The guys we have lost have been been good players but not crucial players and all are relatively easily replaceable. They were not key structural guys and the team we have left should be competitive and probably improved from this year with the extra year's development on the young guys. We won't have depth though and if we have anywhere near the injuries we had this year we are in deep trouble. The starting 22 I think is still pretty good. Atm and without any new players included I see it as:

B McGrath Merrett Staker
HB Adcock Patfull Drummond
C Clarke Rich Rockliff
HF Banfield Brown Power
F Polkinghorne Fevola Proud
R Leuenberger Black Redden
Int Clark Harwood Hanley Stiller
Emerg Maguire Cornelius Johnstone Hawksley

Others who will be in the mix - Charman, Buchanan, Raines, Collier, Austin, Beams, Retzlaff, O'Brien, Sheldon.

Add to that the 5 or so top 35 selections and other youngsters like Bartlett and we are not looking too bad. Top 4 - no way, top 8 - unlikely, 8-13 - probably, 14-17 - unlikely. There are worse lists in the AFL.

The problem with that list is that the majority of top talent will be retiring in the next few years.

You mentioned all those midfield players saying they have talent but most of them are yet to prove anything at AFL level. Hot tip is every kid who gets drafted has talent.

Xavier Clarke hasn't played AFL football for 18 months and was a plodder at St Kilda but you have him starting on your wing.

There is a huge chance Fevola will be deregistered.

Black, Brown, Power are probably the only thing that would save you from bottom 4 next year but I would still be suprised if the lions weren't down around the bottom 4 again. Brisbanes backline is good but in 2 years with Brown on his last leg and Black and Power gone your midfield and forward line will be very average.

THe lions need some top 3 picks soon. Hopefully you get a pick around 12 or something for Brennan. It only takes one sucessful drafting period to change a side but with the compromised draft it makes it difficult.

 

[Quigley]

The problem with that list is that the majority of top talent will be retiring in the next few years.

You mentioned all those midfield players saying they have talent but most of them are yet to prove anything at AFL level. Hot tip is every kid who gets drafted has talent.

Xavier Clarke hasn't played AFL football for 18 months and was a plodder at St Kilda but you have him starting on your wing.

There is a huge chance Fevola will be deregistered.

Black, Brown, Power are probably the only thing that would save you from bottom 4 next year but I would still be suprised if the lions weren't down around the bottom 4 again. Brisbanes backline is good but in 2 years with Brown on his last leg and Black and Power gone your midfield and forward line will be very average.

THe lions need some top 3 picks soon. Hopefully you get a pick around 12 or something for Brennan. It only takes one sucessful drafting period to change a side but with the compromised draft it makes it difficult.

Hot tip most of the guys I mentioned have proved as much as all the young talent Richmond is relying on.

Also it should be considered that our spine is set and solid and we can focus entirely on drafting smalls without having to draft muliple key positions hoping one works out. We will build around the spine of Merrett, Patfull, Leuenberger, Clark and Brown and that should be set for the next 3 years until Brown retires. Brown will move to FF and will be comfortable there for the next three years.

Cornelius looks like he will step in for Brown when he retires and looked good as a second year KPF when he got the chance thsi year. He has shown himself very capable of taking a contested mark against AFL backmen (he actually reminds me of Reiwoldt early in his career both his strengths and his weaknesses). Clark is a natural forward who also happened to be the second best ruck in the competition last year. He rarely played up forward this year with Brown and Fevola there but he did against Adelaide in round 20 and picked up 5 goals. He is a huge man with excellent marking skills. His kicking for goal often let him down previously but he actually looked a lot better this year. Retzlaff has impressed a lot of people with his development this year as a first year player and you might get to see him next year if you ever watch a Lions match.

Black and Power are on their last legs and were contributers and not stars this year. They were not relied on to carry the team. We got a lot of games into the young guys I mentioned and they showed plenty. They know they can compete and they know what they have to improve. There is a lot of development in that group.

You don't need top 3 picks to pick up champions. It makes it easier for sure but there are great players available later if you know what you are doing. Rockliff was a PSD for instance and Hannebery was number 30 just to mention a couple of the top youngsters from this year. Hadley in his first two years has shown himself to be an excellent judge of talent and there is no reason to think he can't continue to build on the guys that he has taken so far.

On X he is a lot of things (injury prone for one) but I would never call him a plodder. Perhaps one of the Saints supporters would like to field this one.

 

[charles202]

The problem with that list is that the majority of top talent will be retiring in the next few years.

You mentioned all those midfield players saying they have talent but most of them are yet to prove anything at AFL level. Hot tip is every kid who gets drafted has talent.

Xavier Clarke hasn't played AFL football for 18 months and was a plodder at St Kilda but you have him starting on your wing.

There is a huge chance Fevola will be deregistered.

Black, Brown, Power are probably the only thing that would save you from bottom 4 next year but I would still be suprised if the lions weren't down around the bottom 4 again. Brisbanes backline is good but in 2 years with Brown on his last leg and Black and Power gone your midfield and forward line will be very average.

THe lions need some top 3 picks soon. Hopefully you get a pick around 12 or something for Brennan. It only takes one sucessful drafting period to change a side but with the compromised draft it makes it difficult.

Whilst your comment in relation to talent is true, the top four young midfielders have all won rising star nominations, with Rich of course winning the gong.

Top 3 picks guarantee nothing (see Black v Brennan) but we do need to hit on some more young midfielders, at least we have a good track record in that in the last two years.

 

[the mighty T]

Mate note what i said...i think that this year alone has been a disappointment and youve lost some good players.

Nothing wrong with the list at all and youll bounce back soon because there is a lot of talent

But i doubt that brisbane supporters wouldve been ecstatic about losing those fellas

 

[TigerTime88]

Hot tip most of the guys I mentioned have proved as much as all the young talent Richmond is relying on.

Also it should be considered that our spine is set and solid and we can focus entirely on drafting smalls without having to draft muliple key positions hoping one works out. We will build around the spine of Merrett, Patfull, Leuenberger, Clark and Brown and that should be set for the next 3 years until Brown retires. Brown will move to FF and will be comfortable there for the next three years.

Cornelius looks like he will step in for Brown when he retires and looked good as a second year KPF when he got the chance thsi year. He has shown himself very capable of taking a contested mark against AFL backmen (he actually reminds me of Reiwoldt early in his career both his strengths and his weaknesses). Clark is a natural forward who also happened to be the second best ruck in the competition last year. He rarely played up forward this year with Brown and Fevola there but he did against Adelaide in round 20 and picked up 5 goals. He is a huge man with excellent marking skills. His kicking for goal often let him down previously but he actually looked a lot better this year. Retzlaff has impressed a lot of people with his development this year as a first year player and you might get to see him next year if you ever watch a Lions match.

Black and Power are on their last legs and were contributers and not stars this year. They were not relied on to carry the team. We got a lot of games into the young guys I mentioned and they showed plenty. They know they can compete and they know what they have to improve. There is a lot of development in that group.

You don't need top 3 picks to pick up champions. It makes it easier for sure but there are great players available later if you know what you are doing. Rockliff was a PSD for instance and Hannebery was number 30 just to mention a couple of the top youngsters from this year. Hadley in his first two years has shown himself to be an excellent judge of talent and there is no reason to think he can't continue to build on the guys that he has taken so far.

On X he is a lot of things (injury prone for one) but I would never call him a plodder. Perhaps one of the Saints supporters would like to field this one.

Completely disagree suggesting your young mids that you have talked about have shown as much as the Tigers. Martin, Cotchin ect are much more accomplished.

Time will tell.

As for Xavier Clarke he is a plodder imo and most of the footballing world, hence why you got him for pick 60.