Ken Judge

[Au_Blue#24]

Just a quick one on judgey. I know that it is popular belief that he is the sole reason for our woeful last two years and some people think he is bitter about west coast.

I disagree. I've just heard him on 882 and he was singing praise about our midfield and how he reckons we can beat richmond.

I reckon Kens been really admirable in light of what happened to him in such a public forum. I also reckon he had a lot to deal with injury wise for the two years he was here. I also think woosha has obviously more public backing, but also a unique type of respect which has filtered down from admin to the players - some thing kj maybe or definately didnt have.

something to think about..

Go the eagles

 

[carlyp]

Yeah I suppose that he hasnt really been given a fair go by the public. We did have bad injuries under him and alot of communication problems. Maybe we are giving an hard time just a little bit.

 

[goal_umpire]

Jugdey is a talent scout for the Dockers.

So he is keeping an eye on the Eagles players.

Look out at the end of the season.

He's coming to get all the eagles players!!!!!!!!!!

 

[TheFoxhat]

Originally posted by Au_Blue#24
Just a quick one on judgey. I know that it is popular belief that he is the sole reason for our woeful last two years and some people think he is bitter about west coast.

I disagree. I've just heard him on 882 and he was singing praise about our midfield and how he reckons we can beat richmond.

I reckon Kens been really admirable in light of what happened to him in such a public forum. I also reckon he had a lot to deal with injury wise for the two years he was here. I also think woosha has obviously more public backing, but also a unique type of respect which has filtered down from admin to the players - some thing kj maybe or definately didnt have.

something to think about..

Go the eagles

That's why he got the @sse

 

[Au_Blue#24]

foxhat - the greatest insult I can bestow on you is that your obviously on par with suzi_olsen.

 

[schorner]

What's he going to say? The team I was involved with for the past two years is still disgraceful? NO...he'll start to take credit, just like he did at Hawthorn. He wants to get on board the gravy train now...in a few years you'll hear..."i don't want to blow my own trumpet, but they know what i did at west coast..."

 

[Frodo]

Boris told me that KJ was told he would be dumped by 6PR if he didn't get more professional, and he seems to be doing that. Although I heard him yesterday saying how Connelly had made mistakes at Freo that he would never have made .

I think he talks a lot of crap, was a disaster for WCE and is the worst AFL coach there ever was.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by Frodo
I think he talks a lot of crap, was a disaster for WCE and is the worst AFL coach there ever was.

I think he's a stage in the eagles history that had to happen. In the short term he really really stuffed us, but in the long term the eagles as a club have learnt to put more thought into picking their coach as well as plan for the future more rather than play for the moment (as we did under MM).

I'd rather have had him as our coach in those two horrific years (where bad drafting, retirements and injuries didn't help our cause), than a competent coach who would have taken us to 9th-10th finishes in those two years yet had not progressed at all in terms of development (we picked up Judd, Sampi, Kerr, Humm and McDougall due to our low finishes, had we finished 9-10th we wouldn't have had any of them). Two bad years will now be followed by a decade of success, had we finished higher we'd have been like Richmond of the 90's, always close to the 8 but never quite there.

 

[Frodo]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


I think he's a stage in the eagles history that had to happen. In the short term he really really stuffed us, but in the long term the eagles as a club have learnt to put more thought into picking their coach as well as plan for the future more rather than play for the moment (as we did under MM).

I'd rather have had him as our coach in those two horrific years (where bad drafting, retirements and injuries didn't help our cause), than a competent coach who would have taken us to 9th-10th finishes in those two years yet had not progressed at all in terms of development (we picked up Judd, Sampi, Kerr, Humm and McDougall due to our low finishes, had we finished 9-10th we wouldn't have had any of them). Two bad years will now be followed by a decade of success, had we finished higher we'd have been like Richmond of the 90's, always close to the 8 but never quite there.

C'mon D4e, we can't really sing his praises as the man who won a priority draft pick for us, sureley.

 

[Visro]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes


I think he's a stage in the eagles history that had to happen. In the short term he really really stuffed us, but in the long term the eagles as a club have learnt to put more thought into picking their coach as well as plan for the future more rather than play for the moment (as we did under MM).

I'd rather have had him as our coach in those two horrific years (where bad drafting, retirements and injuries didn't help our cause), than a competent coach who would have taken us to 9th-10th finishes in those two years yet had not progressed at all in terms of development (we picked up Judd, Sampi, Kerr, Humm and McDougall due to our low finishes, had we finished 9-10th we wouldn't have had any of them). Two bad years will now be followed by a decade of success, had we finished higher we'd have been like Richmond of the 90's, always close to the 8 but never quite there.

I can't believe I actually sort of agree with you...on some things. Yes the period was required but we still didn't need to play that bad. He has sort of set us up for the future with the influx of young talent that has come into the club but then again, his coaching ways are still present sometimes, ie not running hard like yesterday.

In summary, we needed a bad period, but it didn't need to be as bad as it was...

 

[noodle]

at least ken got us some good draft picks

 

[carlyp]

He wasnt a good communicator I dont think!

 

[Thrawn666]

Originally posted by carlyp
He wasnt a good communicator I dont think!

It's funny that because he didnt come across that way at all as coach of the club, butwhen I listen to him commentate now he is ten times better. Maybe he just has the right voice for the job. Ive said it before,and ill say it again, Ken Judge's major problem was a lack of respect from the player group. If you dont respect someone you cant give them your fullest, where as with Woosha it's a case of "Jump", "How high?"

 

[Voice of Reason]

Originally posted by daddy_4_eyes
I think he's a stage in the eagles history that had to happen. In the short term he really really stuffed us, but in the long term the eagles as a club have learnt to put more thought into picking their coach as well as plan for the future more rather than play for the moment (as we did under MM).

I'd rather have had him as our coach in those two horrific years (where bad drafting, retirements and injuries didn't help our cause), than a competent coach who would have taken us to 9th-10th finishes in those two years yet had not progressed at all in terms of development (we picked up Judd, Sampi, Kerr, Humm and McDougall due to our low finishes, had we finished 9-10th we wouldn't have had any of them). Two bad years will now be followed by a decade of success, had we finished higher we'd have been like Richmond of the 90's, always close to the 8 but never quite there.

You are the Paul Keating of this board - "the Judge we had to have".

Whatever one's view - it's history now.

 

[carlyp]

Originally posted by Thrawn666


It's funny that because he didnt come across that way at all as coach of the club, butwhen I listen to him commentate now he is ten times better. Maybe he just has the right voice for the job. Ive said it before,and ill say it again, Ken Judge's major problem was a lack of respect from the player group. If you dont respect someone you cant give them your fullest, where as with Woosha it's a case of "Jump", "How high?"

I couldnt respect him either because I dont think he was a very tough person and he hadnt proven himself to the player group like Mick Malthouse or Woosha did! Mick had some success at Footscray before he came and like Woosha in his first year he made some big changes to the team that paid off for them!

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by Frodo


C'mon D4e, we can't really sing his praises as the man who won a priority draft pick for us, sureley.

Well, no. Thats not what i had in mind. What i meant was that even though we sucked under him, the WCE as a club learned a lot. It was especially necessary as due to 10yrs of success the board/players/coaches were maybe a bit laid back, they didn't put in as much effort as they porbably should have. Those 2 yrs of misery brought the whole club back to reality, and even though KJ went too far in terms of mediocrity, that eye-opener was better than a 9-10th finish.

 

[Mead]

I ain't exactly a Judge fan.. As a matter of fact, I was one of the people calling for his head before the end of this last year, and I still firmly believe his ability as a tactical coach, a motivator, and a communicator is very very poor indeed.

I will say this for him, however, he knows his talent. Troy Wilson, Dan-the-man, Collica, Glass, Gaspar, and several other handy players originate from his time.. part of this might be down to just the draft picks we were getting, but its hard to deny that he found some guys in good places- I mean, how long did Willow languish in the WAFL?

 

[drexel]

Judge may take credit for some of these pick-ups but which ones?

Richard Taylor
Mark Merenda
Richard Prior
Greg Harding?
Sirrakowski
Collica

Collica and maybe Prior are the only ones in our top 22. And these for 2 All-Australians. He got middle range players even though we were supposed to be rebuilding. Sounds like he was trying to save his career from the moment he got here. What kind of leadership is that for a club that should be a powerhouse...he was turning us into the Dockers.

He even stated he would keep Cummings. So does anyone think Wilson would be having the same impact if Judge stayed.

His 6PR work is pretty ordinary.

 

[Frodo]

Yep, he traded Gehrig and White. Both hugeley demotivated by Judge and wanting to leave. Of course we got our natural draft picks which were better ones than in previous ten years because we finished lower so the two picks under pick 20 were expected to do well.
But we traded some of our picks for:-

Richard Taylor
Mark Merenda
Richard Prior
Greg Harding?
Sirrakowski
Collica
Trent Carroll

and also White and Gehrig (and Metropolis). Now IMO, out of that bunch only Collica and perhaps Merenda will figure on what we expect to be a good side in two years time.
So on balance I think it was short term stupidity by a bloke supposedly good at developing youngsters. We have to wait to see whether his key draft pick, McDougall at 5, turns out good, but don't forget that most others in that draft picked below number 20 are already established AFL players.

BTW Kerr was IMO his best pickup.

 

[USAEagle]

We will never know if Judge would or could have developed the team. Full stop. Judge got a bad deal. Something like 22 major injuries over 2 seasons, and sacked. Having said that, I am glad he is gone and I am glad Woosha is winning. But what KJ woulda, coulda or mighta done with the Eagles will be forever lost because he wasn't given the chance to finish.

 

[Goldenblue]

Originally posted by suzi_olsen
Jugdey is a talent scout for the Dockers.

So he is keeping an eye on the Eagles players.

Look out at the end of the season.

He's coming to get all the eagles players!!!!!!!!!!

You really have lost the plot haven't you?

You have no idea what you are talking about foolish girl.......

 

[carlyp]

SUZI!!!! YOU IDIOT! One thing that our boys are known for is there great loyalty. When Mick Malthouse left the Eagles he was asked by a journalist...Who will you bring from the eagles to Collingwood? Mick replied...I'll be surprised if anyone comes...there a very loyal bunch that team!
It would be very unlikely that any eagle player would leave the club and go to the dorkers when our club is going so well and making such big inroads! HAHAHAHA!

 

[goal_umpire]

What happened with Judgey was the fact that he was coaching Hawthorn until he had a falling out with the Hawthorn Board. His confidence was shot by the time he went to coach the Eagles.
The Eagles board were on his back at all times. Then he was sacked at the end of the year.

He won't coach anyone else.

I think that the Eagles supporters are partially to blame here.

 

[carlyp]

Were to blame suzi????????? How else would you take it when your team is one of the superior clubs in the comp, makes finals every year and then some stupid ******** comes to our club and ruins our team!! You can give me hundreds of excuses as to why KJ didnt perform but the fact is he didnt.
When he signed on everyone thought he was the luckiest man in the AFL..he had a good well oiled machine to coach! He is the one that ****ed things up for himself...he is the one that tried to implement idiotic changes and game plans and didnt have the courage to change them when they failed
(ie Jako at CHF)
HOW DARE YOU SAY THAT WERE TO BLAME FOR KJ'S DEMISE! He did this on his own accord suzi not us!
He had a good team and he ruined it! He's not going to coach again? Thats because no-one wants him anymore after his pathetic effort in Perth!
GET REAL SUZI!

 

[Mr Eagle]

Judge sucked as a coach because he couldn't inspire the player group at the one time they needed some inspiration more than anything. Guys like King Mick the Overly Serious and Woosha have that magic touch that brings out the best in our players when its needed, but Judge never had that. I suspect that even if he had a full squad to pick from, they would not have realised their full potential.


Oh, and he was a depressing bastard at post-match press conferences too