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Kennett Taking Over
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Hi Guys,
I am a Carlton supporter who noticed the thread and found it interesting. I would imagine that you guys would want on field success long term more than anything else.
With this in mind I think the most important thing is how real Mr. Kennett will be in his role. By this I mean will he keep an open mind in making his decisions or will he come into the club and rule the club with arrogance.
I dont doubt that he is a gifted and powerful man however power can also be the undoing of some men. A truly strong man is one who is balanced in his personality and faces others with resolve and calm.
My instinct is that Jeff could let his ego get in the way of the best interests of the club. This is not to say that he doesn't love the club just that his ego could blind him to consistently doing the best for the long term stability of the club. John Elliot loves Carlton and is IMO a good man. However his blind arrogance di lead him to make decisions that in the light of day even he would not have made.
I am a Carlton supporter who noticed the thread and found it interesting. I would imagine that you guys would want on field success long term more than anything else.
With this in mind I think the most important thing is how real Mr. Kennett will be in his role. By this I mean will he keep an open mind in making his decisions or will he come into the club and rule the club with arrogance.
I dont doubt that he is a gifted and powerful man however power can also be the undoing of some men. A truly strong man is one who is balanced in his personality and faces others with resolve and calm.
My instinct is that Jeff could let his ego get in the way of the best interests of the club. This is not to say that he doesn't love the club just that his ego could blind him to consistently doing the best for the long term stability of the club. John Elliot loves Carlton and is IMO a good man. However his blind arrogance di lead him to make decisions that in the light of day even he would not have made.
pumped said:
The very reason Kennett has put up his hand is that he experienced how the club has lost its way under Dicker in the selfish direction you refer to. His stated aim internally and publicly is to ensure the best people are in place/put in place and that they have clear direction to be delegated to go and do their job. He has a lot to do and his first step is to show members, supporters and the football community he is serious about bringing respect back to Hawthorn and we will no longer be seen as the laughing stock we became.
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Gilbert_Hodge said:
The correct answer is "yes". Kennett facilitated the docklands, and he knew fullwell that that meant the end of Waverly.Hawkk said:
Kennett's nothing but an egotist. There are already signs that he will try to push Dermie and Dunstall off the board under the pretext that they have media commitments (would he prefer unemployed board members?) After he does that (and removes anyone else who isn't a yes-man), he'll effectively have complete control over the club. Then he'll use it as his private play-thing, enjoying irritating one set of fans or another, by changing jumpers, or the song, moving to the docklands, selling too many games, or just showing his ugly head in public and saying "Hawthorn believes this" when he means "I think this". (Remember John Elliot? The man who left Carlton with a wooden spoon or two, massive debt, and a 35,000 seat stadium they don't even play at. Hawthorn can less afford a bad president than Carlton could.)Fabulous said:
He will lose the club supporters, and, considering everyone in Melbourne already has a team (even if they don't follow it), he couldn't possibly gain us very many. Besides, we wouldn't want the type of people who would be attracted to a person like Jeff to be supporters of our club. That kind of trash belongs at Essendon.
No ego in that post...
"Ego"? Can you please argue against the points I have made, rather than just accusing me of Jeffing my own post.Grendel said:
(And, yes, Kennett did make up the verb to Jeff.)
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That wouldn't surprise me if Kennett makes those changes. According to The Footy Show on Thursday, he has already said when/if he gets into power, players will not be allowed to be in the media doing things like guests on The Footy Show.MightyFighting said:
Well that'll be great for getting the club's exposure. Who needs players to be the face of the club anyway? Jeff would be a much more marketable image than Crawf and Vandenburg.Gilbert_Hodge said:
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I thought you were against Kennett?MightyFighting said:
It was sarcasm.Gilbert_Hodge said:
I thought you were against Kennett?
Wrong on all accords.MightyFighting said:
Jeffery has made it clear that it was a matter of personal taste not appearing on the "Footy show", it is up to the board to decide.
Actually quite the opposite, the way that Jeff has spoken in all circumstances it appears that he is going to focus alot of the attention into the Eastern Suburbs of Melbourne. That was one of the reasons he gave for joining, and I quote; from the source "Kennett to lead the Hawks...
"Kennett said he was particularly excited by the club's move to Waverley next season, which was one of the main reasons he decided now was the right time to become involved with the club.
"We are about to service the greatest area of demographics in Victoria," he said"
I actually think that if anything Kennett may want to abort the Tassie experiment rather then play there more.
If anything I believe we will gain supporters out of this, remember we are the only true Eastern suburban club, so having a high profile president should only help to spread the gospel.
I dont think Jeff will kill us, we are doing alright off the field-thanks Ian
, and we are on the way up on the field. Love him of loath him, he did get thinks done and was a charasmatic character, as well as a passionate supporter.Remember something like 90% of Hawk supporters are Liberal voters
I mean with the excitement of this year we should give 35 000 members a tickle next season.
All looks up for us, although I was disappointed in Saturday, we really played poorly, but the kids will learn from the experience
MightyFighting said:
Fwiw, I can't argue for or against the points you have made because NONE of them are yet to happen.
The whole of the post was about what you think will happen. You projected your thoughts (which is fine btw) on what you believe Kennett will do once he becomes President.
What is that if not ego?
Foresight is not ego. I evaluated the evidence, including Jeff's history, and came up with some sensible predictions.Grendel said:
Some of what I said will come to pass, you mark my words.
Again your stance is you are correct. That's ego. However if you want to call it foresight that's fine by me.
"Foresight" - Perception of the significance and nature of events before they have occurred.
You're right, foresight looks a lot like tarot cards, tealeaf reading, fortune telling etc going by that definition.
Your base argument is that you believe Kennett wont be good for the club yea? That's your belief and you have every right to it. However it's your ego that makes the statement as we all do.
I vote for Kennett and believe the opposite that I think he will do a good job, it's my ego at work. I think I know best what's for the good of the club and what's for the bad of the club.
Ego. My thoughts, my views, my foresight.
Same as everyone else.
"Foresight" - Perception of the significance and nature of events before they have occurred.
You're right, foresight looks a lot like tarot cards, tealeaf reading, fortune telling etc going by that definition.
Your base argument is that you believe Kennett wont be good for the club yea? That's your belief and you have every right to it. However it's your ego that makes the statement as we all do.
I vote for Kennett and believe the opposite that I think he will do a good job, it's my ego at work. I think I know best what's for the good of the club and what's for the bad of the club.
Ego. My thoughts, my views, my foresight.
Same as everyone else.
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Lol my bad, was a big night last night.MightyFighting said:It was sarcasm.
MightyFighting said:
I am willing to bet that the overwhelming majority of hawk supporters voted for Kennett when he was premier and would also be in favour of him coming to the Hawks.
He took Victoria from the worst run to best run state in the country. Some people are able to recognise this. So he offended some people, big deal. He had to fix up the shambolic muppetry of Australia's third worst ever Premier.
I want "those" sort of people to follow the Hawks. People who want to be part of a sucess story, people who wont accept mediocrity, people who think PP's and the CBF are a disgrace and should be abolished immediatlely, people who want the Hawks to be respected again, people who think presidents shouldnt cry etc.
If you want to accept having a rubbish team, losing cash, nobody caring, being constantly on welfare from the AFL then I believe the Roos, Dogs and Melbourne are looking for members.
Buster the hawk
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Jeff obviously has a lot of pride in the Hawthorn Fc & will not have it indirectly ridiculed as a laughing stock on the FS as we have been in the past due to our only player (save for spider )who can truely lay claim to being a champion in recent times, making a fool of himself on national TV.This impression in particular has impressed me no end since the announcement was made.Anyone who has a copy of "the Hard Way"will have read words to the effect that before Kennedy took over ,in the late 50's ,early 60's the hawks were regarded as no threat but really good blokes who good opposition sides didn't mind having a beer with after the game because we were the poor cousins of the VFL perennially down the bottom & destined for sustained mediocrity.IMO the likes of Shane Crawford (although brilliant) epitomizes this same image for the Hawks in the modern era through his antics.This nice-guy ,glamor boy image has got to stop if we are again going to be successful.You only have to look at recent GF winners Brisbane ,as a model for the degree of professionalism required to win premierships & their formula for sustained success didn't include making a D$ckhead of yourself on TV every second week.By the sound of things Jeff Kennett has the same opinion & this can only be a huge positive for the club in the next few years.I admire Crawford immensely but by the same token ,i would love to see him pull his head in a bit as far as his media commitments go in his final years while we have a fair dinkum crack at winning another flag.
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This isn't about Liberal and Labor, but I'll bite this time: Look at a map of the eastern suburbs after the last state election, most of the Hawk areas fell to Labor after they realised that Tory scaremongering about Labor management was just that.medusala said:
Kennett placed symbols of himself all over Melbourne (those large diagonal things), he also made every new number-plate in Victoria carry his political slogan. No doubt he'll use Hawthorn for his own arrogance too.
He's also undeniably a very unappealing personality (regardless of what you may think of his politics). Now, that wouldn't matter if he would stay in the background as much as possible, but, knowing Jeff, that's not very likely to happen.
Going to ask once and once only. No more about politics please.
The thing only becomes a slanging fest and this is meant to be about footy and only footy.
Next post/s will just be edited out or maybe shunted across to the S&C board that mention what the Libs did or didn't do that was right or wrong.
Stick to footy please.
The thing only becomes a slanging fest and this is meant to be about footy and only footy.
Next post/s will just be edited out or maybe shunted across to the S&C board that mention what the Libs did or didn't do that was right or wrong.
Stick to footy please.
You're in for a loooooooooong 3 - 5 years Gren.
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You may not look at what he did whilst a politician but most people will, including myself.Grendel said:
Let's hope you're right, but I think we'll need some other strong personalities on the board to curb his excesses.Hawkk said:Fact is in my opinion Jeff will bring much more then he will detract from the Hawthorn Football Club. Thats my spin on things
