Kent Kingsley

[Robin Hood]

What he worth on the trade market? Not saying he should be traded, just interested.

 

[Dangercat]

maybe pick 16 through to 25
obviously he wont be traded though..

 

[Robin Hood]

maybe pick 16 through to 25
obviously he wont be traded though..

why not?

 

[Dangercat]

because he fits into our forward line and key forwards are very hard to find

 

[Lacquer Head]

and he kicks goals, like forwards are supposed to

 

[Turbocat]

With the Stockmarket , you buy when stocks are low, sell when high. Right now Kent stocks are low and unless he give a couple of Essendon type games in the finals he would be worth little

 

[BulldogMike]

What about pick 20 for Kent kingsley so we get him at the Doggies?

 

[answerman]

If Geelong somehow manages to win the flag then that trade might be on the cards, but otherwise......

 

[Turbocat]

Without a doubt , the man is a dead weight. At least at the start of the year he was marking the ball,not now,He is now reached the status of "Ash tray on a Motorbike" ,totally useless and superfluous.The eg. of a Dead man Walking. If Kent is out of contract at the end of this year , I hope he hasn't borrowed too heavily for the new place with Scarlo and Kingy. FF is the biggest weakness in our line up and if and when we need this bloke to win a game for us , we will be gone , gone ,gone.
Sorry Kent but you are now our weakest link

 

[rizzo]

McCarthy maynot be ablet to kick but he can MARK and he is ablet to Give an option. Kent sits there fumbling like a man with no arms

 

[GeeCat]

I still think you're a tad harsh there TC. Kent has obviously struggled these past few weeks, but it's always just so easy to bag the forward. He'll never be a guy who'll kick 2-3 goals every game and mark 80% of all deliveries into our forward 50, so I suspect some here are placing too high expectations on Kent. By all means if he's going through a dirty patch you're inclined to have a dig at him but you must remember he's holding down a position he really shouldn't be having. Every week he draws the number 1 or 2 defender of the side, and granted he needs to show better form than currently, but some here (not pinpointing you Turbo) act like Kent has to grab 8 marks a game, has to kick 2-3 goals a game, and has to play great footy week in week out. There were a few instances in today's game where Kent contested the ball and, although he didn't grab it cleanly, still managed to give some good 'assists' to our other forwards in SJ and GAJ.

I'm not defending Kent's poor form, but simply bringing into reality that some people need to realise Kent is never going to be the consistent, reliable, goalkicking we need, as much as we want him to be.

 

[Catman]

I still think you're a tad harsh there TC. Kent has obviously struggled these past few weeks, but it's always just so easy to bag the forward. He'll never be a guy who'll kick 2-3 goals every game and mark 80% of all deliveries into our forward 50, so I suspect some here are placing too high expectations on Kent. By all means if he's going through a dirty patch you're inclined to have a dig at him but you must remember he's holding down a position he really shouldn't be having. Every week he draws the number 1 or 2 defender of the side, and granted he needs to show better form than currently, but some here (not pinpointing you Turbo) act like Kent has to grab 8 marks a game, has to kick 2-3 goals a game, and has to play great footy week in week out. There were a few instances in today's game where Kent contested the ball and, although he didn't grab it cleanly, still managed to give some good 'assists' to our other forwards in SJ and GAJ.

I'm not defending Kent's poor form, but simply bringing into reality that some people need to realise Kent is never going to be the consistent, reliable, goalkicking we need, as much as we want him to be.

Well said, GeeCat.

 

[nananana catman]

Unless we Trade for someone or Playfair, Mackie etc prove a viable option he shouldnt be traded. Hell take 2nd Best tall defender next week, which leaves Johnson on 3rd best and Haynes on 4th. He may even kick a goal, but for mine that was the worst ive ever seen him play, he really lacked heart.

 

[Andrew Bogut]

I suspect some here are placing too high expectations on Kent

I haveone expectation of him, to be able to convert 60%+ of his shots.

This season he has kicked 44.46 with 12 OOF (second in the AFL). That's a conversion rate of 39%

 

[Rodion]

I guess the fact that he draws a good tall defender every week gives Magic Johnson some breathing space. But, damn it all to hell, I don't think it's too much to ask that he actually kick strainght once in a while.

 

[Turbocat]

I still think you're a tad harsh there TC. Kent has obviously struggled these past few weeks, but it's always just so easy to bag the forward. He'll never be a guy who'll kick 2-3 goals every game and mark 80% of all deliveries into our forward 50, so I suspect some here are placing too high expectations on Kent. By all means if he's going through a dirty patch you're inclined to have a dig at him but you must remember he's holding down a position he really shouldn't be having. Every week he draws the number 1 or 2 defender of the side, and granted he needs to show better form than currently, but some here (not pinpointing you Turbo) act like Kent has to grab 8 marks a game, has to kick 2-3 goals a game, and has to play great footy week in week out. There were a few instances in today's game where Kent contested the ball and, although he didn't grab it cleanly, still managed to give some good 'assists' to our other forwards in SJ and GAJ.

I'm not defending Kent's poor form, but simply bringing into reality that some people need to realise Kent is never going to be the consistent, reliable, goalkicking we need, as much as we want him to be.

I think yo wrapped it up here, he is not up to it!!

Am I harsh on him , yes. Is it warranted yes.Is he wastfull , yes,Has he talent , yes Is he playing out of position , maybe but ther are others with more talent to play up field. Will we be the best side with him at FF , doubtfull but he still can pull an ESS game.

Gee , Im jack of him. He leads well, on his day get quite a bit of the ball but he is basically a mark/stop play/ kick option that as our TEAM USA friend says

I haveone expectation of him, to be able to convert 60%+ of his shots.
This season he has kicked 44.46 with 12 OOF (second in the AFL). That's a conversion rate of 39%.

the man just has no business playing in the AFL at FF if you arent confident in your kicking at goal. I get angry at him because he is wasting his chance, who knows how many chances a person gets.One day when he's kicking goals playing for Grovedale or some other lesser grade side he will wonder what he could have been.
He has now lost confidence in his better parts of his game because of his poor conversion. If Greeves was on our list KK wouldnt be getting a game
Today at times , GAJ looked more the focus than KK, infact he got doubled a couple of times. I want our FF to be the man the others double , and that doesnt happen unless they respect and fear him ..... KK ,well say no more

Now after the bagging , do we have any other options. Not many. McCathy looked as meek as a lost lamb in Adelaide.Haynes is has no zip, Mackie has the height and the talent but is 20 kg short of a FF. Johnson is almost plays like KK now with better conversion but he does not yet have a body to play FF all the time but he is the closest to it at the moment. What about Lonergan is he still to light? We keep coming back to the same issue, they need a differnt sort of tall at the club, one like that Shultz at Richmond big with leap that you dont have to spend 4 years putting meat on him. I wonder what it would take for a deal on Shultz?

 

[nananana catman]

I watched him during the warm up against the Hwaks, and he was kicking it beautifully. Staright through the middle 3/4 post height from 45. He was kicking THROUGH the ball. As soon as he has a shot during the game he stabs at it and it goes all over the place or doesnt make the distance.

 

[jim boy]

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[GeeCat]

Am I harsh on him

Yes

Is it warranted

Not this level

Is he playing out of position , maybe but there are others with more talent to play up field. Will we be the best side with him at FF, doubtfull but he still can pull an ESS game.

And this is exactly my point. Whilst Kent may not be the best full forward in the competition for whatever reason, he's still the best we have in our list so we have to live and deal with it. Additionally, we can't all keep hoping and expecting him to pull an Essendon game consistently every week or so, it's simply not going to happen being the player he is so I see no point whatsoever in having a go at him week in week out when he doesn't perform to whoever's standards in a game.

The man just has no business playing in the AFL at FF if you arent confident in your kicking at goal. I get angry at him because he is wasting his chance, who knows how many chances a person gets.One day when he's kicking goals playing for Grovedale or some other lesser grade side he will wonder what he could have been. He has now lost confidence in his better parts of his game because of his poor conversion. If Greeves was on our list KK wouldnt be getting a game. Today at times , GAJ looked more the focus than KK, infact he got doubled a couple of times.

Once again, love him or loathe him, he's our best option at FF so just save the weekly blast and live with it mate.

I want our FF to be the man the others double , and that doesnt happen unless they respect and fear him ..... KK ,well say no more

You've got to understand Kent's not that type of player. He'll never be the sole target in attack, so don't expect him to be double-teamed too often. The way our forward line operates we don't have a sole go-to man in attack, so erase any expectations of Kent being a consistent and goal-kicking machine that it seems you and many others keep blaming him for not being.

 

[Lacquer Head]

I think we dont have a go to man, becaue Kingsley is too inconsitent.

Why did he get taken out of FF when we were beating the Hawks so easily?

It should have been a confidence booster going into the finals, for him.

Mooney went OK, but was cought out of position when the runners bombed the goal square in the last quarter.

I think FF is a worry for us ATM and its the only thing between us and a grand final appearence.

 

[Turbocat]

Once again, love him or loathe him, he's our best option at FF so just save the weekly blast and live with it mate.

GeeC , weekly is a bit unfair but yes when KK has performed below what I think he should have, I have put finger to key.
As I said before the reason is he could be so much more than he is. Do I expect an Ess level of performance , NO. 7.0 is beyond reasonable expectation , but I would expect a player and player to be able to kick better at goal than he and McCathy.Mac has the big grab in his game and really is not anything more than longshot player on our list but KK gets games has shown he can get the ball when in form, has got good hands on a lead but doe's little to create his own goals like a Steve Johnson, he is a finisher without the finish. My main requirement of a FF is to convert the up field effort into goals.As greater man then I once said, "give me possesions and I''ll shut up". With KK , "give me more goals than points and OOBOTF and I'd be satisfied with his effort"
The one thing you are totally correct on is that with the remainding games this year its a waste of time changing, he is our best option for 04. If he is still our best option in 05, then sombody is not doing there job.