Kerr- Its on!

[TimeFor11]

OK.

Tell that to your Tiger mate who was using the Judd trade as a template for what you'd need to give up for Kerr.

I think it is fair to say without Cousins and Judd Kerr has struggled to get into alot of games so we need to water down his value on this years performances. He is also older than Judd am I right in saying this?

 

[TimeFor11]

Come on, mate.

Be serious.

How about we give you Jaymie Graham for Nathan Foley?

Well you see what I mean these are our only real expendable mids listed there the others you would be more shocked at.

I mean King, JON, Casserly are there for the taking. It is going to be hard for Richmond and WCE to strike a deal.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

I think it is fair to say without Cousins and Judd Kerr has struggled to get into alot of games so we need to water down his value on this years performances. He is also older than Judd am I right in saying this?

There's a bit of a myth about Kerr's performance dropping away this year.

He's still averaged 23-24 touches, more than he managed in 2005-06.

It's been a bad year for WC and Kerr has suffered. He's had some injuries and has been rubbed out a couple of times, but it's not like he's a crippled, permanently diminished player. He certainly doesn't have Judd's chronic groin injury. In a side that was up-and-running, Kerr would bounce straight back to his blue-chip best.

He's 15 months older than Judd. He'll turn 26 in May next year.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Well you see what I mean these are our only real expendable mids listed there the others you would be more shocked at.

I mean King, JON, Casserly are there for the taking. It is going to be hard for Richmond and WCE to strike a deal.

I don't want your shitty expendable mids.

Richmond need to hunt down another top 20 pick and then package it with pick 8.

You'll have pick 26. You should be able to get an upgrade on that from somewhere.

 

[Monkey Worshipper]

Can't see Kerr getting 2 x Top 10 picks. But pick 8 & 26 is way off the mark as well.

Tambling & 8 is a starting point.

Rance & 8 is more on the money. It would also mean WCE would also need to offload a KPP in another deal, like say Hunter.

Kerr for Cotchin, straight swap. Hell we'll even give you our pick 50 something that we'll never use.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Can't see Kerr getting 2 x Top 10 picks. But pick 8 & 26 is way off the mark as well.

Tambling & 8 is a starting point.

Don't want Tambling.

Would prefer Richmond upgraded their pick 26 to something 14-15, and then packaged that with pick 8.

 

[TigerGlory]

Er, WC also got Josh Kennedy, a 20-year-old CHF who was drafted with pick 4 a couple of years earlier.

Let's not forget about him completely. We rated him very highly, and he was a key part of the Judd trade.

So let's say you offer pick 8 for Kerr. What else?

If you're basing it on the Judd trade, you'd have to offer something equal to pick 20 and Kennedy. And that to match a trade where we were, in your words, "robbed blindly".

I was just talking draft choices, since im not sure you'd want many of our players.

I said Pick 8 and an early second Round pick, Pick 20 or so.

Im basing it on the Judd trade yes. But lets back up a bit. Kerr is no Judd, hes a bit behind. Hes had a pretty rough season AND hes still contracted, meaning we wont be wanting to be taken to the cleaners by you guys wanting revenge on the Blues, so if you ask for to much we'll just say no.

To be perfectly honest, im confident that Pick 8 and Pick 20 will net us Kerr.

 

[TigerGlory]

I don't want your shitty expendable mids.

Richmond need to hunt down another top 20 pick and then package it with pick 8.

You'll have pick 26. You should be able to get an upgrade on that from somewhere.

Port showed a bit of interest in Schulz last year. I reckon with an improvement in form we could net there second round pick which should be something like Pick 20 isnt it? Im not to sure.

Incidently, would Schulz generate any interest from you Gunnar?

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Im basing it on the Judd trade yes. But lets back up a bit. Kerr is no Judd, hes a bit behind. Hes had a pretty rough season AND hes still contracted, meaning we wont be wanting to be taken to the cleaners by you guys wanting revenge on the Blues, so if you ask for to much we'll just say no.

Well, in what sense are you basing it on the Judd trade?

Judd is more valuable than Kerr. Of course.

But Kerr is contracted - that increases his price, not the other way around. Judd was uncontracted, so we were forced to deal. And even then, we got picks 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy.

If you're using the Judd trade as a template, then how do you conclude that picks 8 and 20 will be enough for Kerr?

Not much parity there at all, especially when you consider that Kerr is contracted.

To be perfectly honest, im confident that Pick 8 and Pick 20 will net us Kerr.

Pfffttt... dreaming.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Incidently, would Schulz generate any interest from you Gunnar?

Zero.

We want mids. Period.

 

[TimeFor11]

Zero.

We want mids. Period.

Doesnt matter what you want it matters what the MC want. I think if Schulz was on WCE list he'd be starting FF with McKinley in the forward 50. No secret WC dont kick many goals. Dont tell me you have Hansen Jones Lynch because the fact is it just hasnt worked.

I think Schulz they would have some interest in but pick 8 and Schulz may not do it. However if we threw in JON as a little bonus who knows they may pounce no doubting his athletic ability and talent when he is confident it may tip the deal over the line.

 

[TigerGlory]

Well, in what sense are you basing it on the Judd trade?

Judd is more valuable than Kerr. Of course.

But Kerr is contracted - that increases his price, not the other way around. Judd was uncontracted, so we were forced to deal. And even then, we got picks 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy.

If you're using the Judd trade as a template, then how do you conclude that picks 8 and 20 will be enough for Kerr?

Not much parity there at all, especially when you consider that Kerr is contracted.

Pfffttt... dreaming.

Fair enough.

Im using the Judd template as a guide for draft picks. You got a first and second rounder plus a player for Judd. I think that Kerr is worth a first and second rounder, probably not a player so much.

Kerr being contracted means you hold the cards, true. But it also means clubs are going to be a little hesitant in offering. Last year with Judd meant that four clubs could have had an outright bid war if Juddy didnt be the selfish prick and single out Carlton. With Kerr, if you play hardball, then a club that holds interest might back down completley. Dont forget that draft picks are going to be very scarce.

Zero.

We want mids. Period.

Thats fair enough, does Coughlan hold any interest? I know hes been injured a fair while, but there are not many seriously developed midfielders that we can give you. Unless you want to take a gamble on one of our untried youngsters. We are kinda in the same boat as you guys are re: a midfield, except maybe a couple of years ahead, thats kind of why we are interested in Kerr.

 

[Genesis67]

Thats fair enough, does Coughlan hold any interest?

Would be the steak knives at most. With his injury record, WC would never consider him as a key part of a trade for Kerr.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Doesnt matter what you want it matters what the MC want. I think if Schulz was on WCE list he'd be starting FF with McKinley in the forward 50. No secret WC dont kick many goals. Dont tell me you have Hansen Jones Lynch because the fact is it just hasnt worked.

Lynch kicked 60 goals in a season.

What's Schulz's best effort?

Our forward line will eventually include McKinley, LeCras, Kennedy and probably Brown.

Schulz would not be best 22. No chance.

I think Schulz they would have some interest in but pick 8 and Schulz may not do it. However if we threw in JON as a little bonus who knows they may pounce no doubting his athletic ability and talent when he is confident it may tip the deal over the line.

You're kidding yourself, mate.

JON, Schulz and pick 8?

Why don't you throw in Danny Meyer as well?

You actually have to offer value in return for good players. You can't just pile up fringies and expect their combined value to equal that of a top tier player.

This trade suggestion is a non-starter.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Fair enough.

Im using the Judd template as a guide for draft picks. You got a first and second rounder plus a player for Judd. I think that Kerr is worth a first and second rounder, probably not a player so much.

Not all first rounders are of equal value.

The first rounder we got for Judd isn't the same as the first rounder you'd offer for Kerr.

Equally, the second rounder we got for Judd is higher than the second rounder Richmond will have to begin with.

Kerr being contracted means you hold the cards, true. But it also means clubs are going to be a little hesitant in offering. Last year with Judd meant that four clubs could have had an outright bid war if Juddy didnt be the selfish prick and single out Carlton. With Kerr, if you play hardball, then a club that holds interest might back down completley. Dont forget that draft picks are going to be very scarce.

This doesn't make much sense.

It doesn't hurt a club to make an offer for a player.

If that player is contracted, it just means WC won't be forced into accepting an offer that is below par.

Thats fair enough, does Coughlan hold any interest?

You must have us confused with Fremantle.

I know hes been injured a fair while, but there are not many seriously developed midfielders that we can give you.

Yeah - that's why you'll have to go hunting for a better draft pick.

Unless you want to take a gamble on one of our untried youngsters.

Er, no thank you.

 

[TigerGlory]

Not all first rounders are of equal value.

The first rounder we got for Judd isn't the same as the first rounder you'd offer for Kerr.

Equally, the second rounder we got for Judd is higher than the second rounder Richmond will have to begin with.

Of course they arent. However, you wont be finding many clubs who will be parting with their first and second round draft picks before they are about to get r*ped by the Gold Coast. Your going to have to compromise or settle for nothing im afraid. Kerr would be nice, but we arent going to bendover backwards to get him.

This doesn't make much sense.

It doesn't hurt a club to make an offer for a player.

If that player is contracted, it just means WC won't be forced into accepting an offer that is below par.

West Coast have already started being aggresive with Kerr, and because of the draft penalties we ALL cop thanks to the Gold Coast, not many sides will want to trade. Richmond are in a unique situation, i believe we have enough untried talent on our list to go without to be honest, and Kerr would be nice.

You must have us confused with Fremantle.

Yeah - that's why you'll have to go hunting for a better draft pick.

Er, no thank you.

We wont be going hunting for anything if its to much trouble. Im simply trying to reach a compromise here by promoting players that you may have some interest in. You were the one complaining that our offer didnt include a player, not me.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

Of course they arent. However, you wont be finding many clubs who will be parting with their first and second round draft picks before they are about to get r*ped by the Gold Coast. Your going to have to compromise or settle for nothing im afraid. Kerr would be nice, but we arent going to bendover backwards to get him.

Two first rounders or it's not worth trading him.

West Coast have already started being aggresive with Kerr, and because of the draft penalties we ALL cop thanks to the Gold Coast, not many sides will want to trade. Richmond are in a unique situation, i believe we have enough untried talent on our list to go without to be honest, and Kerr would be nice.

Good for you guys.

If Kerr's on the move, we'll get some good offers.

It doesn't worry me if Richmond is involved or not.

We wont be going hunting for anything if its to much trouble. Im simply trying to reach a compromise here by promoting players that you may have some interest in. You were the one complaining that our offer didnt include a player, not me.

I wasn't complaining that it didn't include a player. I was pointing out that Josh Kennedy added a fair bit of value to the Judd trade. You were trying to use the Judd trade as a template for what you'd have to offer for Kerr, while overlooking the fact Kennedy was part of the first deal.

I don't want your fringies.

I want draft picks.

If you want Kerr, you'll be trying to get another first rounder. If you don't do it, someone else will.

 

[TigerGlory]

Two first rounders or it's not worth trading him.

Good for you guys.

If Kerr's on the move, we'll get some good offers.

It doesn't worry me if Richmond is involved or not.

I wasn't complaining that it didn't include a player. I was pointing out that Josh Kennedy added a fair bit of value to the Judd trade. You were trying to use the Judd trade as a template for what you'd have to offer for Kerr, while overlooking the fact Kennedy was part of the first deal.

I don't want your fringies.

I want draft picks.

If you want Kerr, you'll be trying to get another first rounder. If you don't do it, someone else will.

First thing's first. Who is going to offer draft picks for Kerr, that is below us?

The sides below us are rebuilding, obviously will want their own draft picks. Carlton may be different, similiar to us they have alot of young, raw talent on their list that they could go a draft without bothering. IF you deal with Carlton after their robbery of Judd is another thing.

I know you want draft picks. You have to come to the realisation that barely any sides are going to trade them all. All clubs wants draft picks, not just yourselves, considering the Gold Coast are about to rape the draft clean, no sides like Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle etc are going to give you there draft picks for Kerr, none of them.

Im confident that Schulz could net us an early Second Draft Pick from somebody, im leaning towards Port Adelaide, because he'd fit in comfortably in their forwardline. I think that Pick 8 and Pick 20 is going to just about be the tops, unless we can agree on a player as well. Looking through the Richmond list i can find Matt White. That kid is a very good looking prospect, but not one we would immediatley through up to trade. A Nathan Foley clone if i ever saw one.

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

First thing's first. Who is going to offer draft picks for Kerr, that is below us?

Essendon are a chance.

And why do they have to be below you?

A side above you could trade for another first round pick, and then they'd be in the box seat.

I know you want draft picks. You have to come to the realisation that barely any sides are going to trade them all. All clubs wants draft picks, not just yourselves, considering the Gold Coast are about to rape the draft clean, no sides like Melbourne, Port Adelaide, Fremantle etc are going to give you there draft picks for Kerr, none of them.

Disagree.

The impact of the GC17 has been over-stated.

Clubs will still do deals if they think there's a benefit.

It's easy to say "oh, no club will trade picks this year," but that's an over-simplification.

Im confident that Schulz could net us an early Second Draft Pick from somebody, im leaning towards Port Adelaide, because he'd fit in comfortably in their forwardline. I think that Pick 8 and Pick 20 is going to just about be the tops, unless we can agree on a player as well. Looking through the Richmond list i can find Matt White. That kid is a very good looking prospect, but not one we would immediatley through up to trade. A Nathan Foley clone if i ever saw one.

We'll have pick 20.

So picks 8 and 21?

I'd expect someone to come up with something better.

Otherwise, we simply won't trade him.

 

[TigerGlory]

Essendon are a chance.

And why do they have to be below you?

A side above you could trade for another first round pick, and then they'd be in the box seat.

But who below them is going to trade them the picks in the first place?

Lets face it, the Picks you want are being held by Melbourne, Freo and Port, none of which are going to trade their picks at all. Why would they? The top clubs that might want Kerr wont get them either because those Picks are off the charts. Whos going to trade A first round pick to another club so they can get Kerr? Nobody.

Disagree.

The impact of the GC17 has been over-stated.

Clubs will still do deals if they think there's a benefit.

It's easy to say "oh, no club will trade picks this year," but that's an over-simplification.

Over-stated my hat. I saw the back page of the Hun today and was mortified. Its an outrage the picks the GC are getting and they are literally going to be pilleging the draft. There are no clubs that will trade picks who are sitting down the bottom scale of the ladder this year, no way. Its easy to say you want picks, the fact is, so does everybody else.

We'll have pick 20.

So picks 8 and 21?

I'd expect someone to come up with something better.

Otherwise, we simply won't trade him.

I would throw up Picks 8, 21 and Matt White for Daniel Kerr. But i would not go much lower than that.

In perspective Carlton gave you Picks 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy for Chris Judd. Certainley Pick 3 is better than Pick 8, but Judd is also a better play than Kerr. Pick 20 is only a single pick earlier than Pick 21 and i think we could be both be certain in saying Matt White is a better player than Kennedy.

That would probably be a fair trade, am i right?

 

[UltraMagnus]

On the money Razor. Kerr has had an armchair ride alongside Judd and Cousins and as soon as the going gets tough, he folds under the pressure and subsequently wants out. Not the example I'd be wanting to set our young midfield. Pass!

ahhh such ignorance.
Armchair ride ?
Kerr has finished no lower than 3rd in the last 3 brownlows, that INCLUDES 2007 when we had no cousins and judd was hobbling around the forward pocket for half a game due to injury.
Injury Prone ?
Kerr has never missed more that 3 games due to injury since his debut season in 2001 in which he played 19 games.

im more than happy for you blokes to keep pick 8, thats the same pick you used to get JON best of luck with it.

 

[UltraMagnus]

But who below them is going to trade them the picks in the first place?

Lets face it, the Picks you want are being held by Melbourne, Freo and Port, none of which are going to trade their picks at all. Why would they? The top clubs that might want Kerr wont get them either because those Picks are off the charts. Whos going to trade A first round pick to another club so they can get Kerr? Nobody.



Over-stated my hat. I saw the back page of the Hun today and was mortified. Its an outrage the picks the GC are getting and they are literally going to be pilleging the draft. There are no clubs that will trade picks who are sitting down the bottom scale of the ladder this year, no way. Its easy to say you want picks, the fact is, so does everybody else.



I would throw up Picks 8, 21 and Matt White for Daniel Kerr. But i would not go much lower than that.

In perspective Carlton gave you Picks 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy for Chris Judd. Certainley Pick 3 is better than Pick 8, but Judd is also a better play than Kerr. Pick 20 is only a single pick earlier than Pick 21 and i think we could be both be certain in saying Matt White is a better player than Kennedy.

That would probably be a fair trade, am i right?

ahhh no

 

[TigerGlory]

ahhh no

Oh come on...

 

[Gunnar Longshanks]

But who below them is going to trade them the picks in the first place?

Lets face it, the Picks you want are being held by Melbourne, Freo and Port, none of which are going to trade their picks at all. Why would they? The top clubs that might want Kerr wont get them either because those Picks are off the charts. Whos going to trade A first round pick to another club so they can get Kerr? Nobody.

Essendon and Carlton would both also be in the mix.

I'm not insisting on two top 10 picks.

One would be sufficient. And then another in the top 20.

Over-stated my hat. I saw the back page of the Hun today and was mortified. Its an outrage the picks the GC are getting and they are literally going to be pilleging the draft. There are no clubs that will trade picks who are sitting down the bottom scale of the ladder this year, no way. Its easy to say you want picks, the fact is, so does everybody else.

The GC17 won't have a major effect until 2010.

Next year's draft won't be as deep, but it will still proceed as normal.

I would throw up Picks 8, 21 and Matt White for Daniel Kerr. But i would not go much lower than that.

Matt White doesn't add much value to that deal.

In perspective Carlton gave you Picks 3, 20 and Josh Kennedy for Chris Judd. Certainley Pick 3 is better than Pick 8, but Judd is also a better play than Kerr. Pick 20 is only a single pick earlier than Pick 21 and i think we could be both be certain in saying Matt White is a better player than Kennedy.

That would probably be a fair trade, am i right?

Sorry - walk me through the part where White is better than Kennedy.

Kennedy is considered a 10-year CHF.

 

[The Dice Man]

Dont want him. Dont need him.