Key position players (Post's) development

[bigstyletiger]

I know he played well on the weekend but a big CHB is what we need and this is the position he was drafted to play. Í don't see any reason why he wouldn't be left at CHB in the twos and when he does get a game in the ones played also played there. This would release Moore to a flank where he could zone off and leave McGuane and Thursty to rotate between full back and third tall duties.

Does anybody else think that the lack of continuity in where Post is being played could effect his development?

As it stands I think we are reasonbly well off for Key postion potential.

We have Riewoldt and Griffiths who will definately play key forward.

Could be KPF/KPB: Astbury and Post

Key postion backs: McGuane, Thursty, Rance, Gourdis, Grimes. Given that we aren't in a position that Bowden has to play CHB shouldn't we be developing key position players in their best positions?

 

[Danog]

Astbury can be the swingman. Post needs to feel settled in 1 position.

 

[deledio7]

To be perfectly honest, I still have no idea. Has all the attributes to be a good forward but doesn't seem settled down there.

He has shown signs in defense but has yet to nail it down.

I'm sure as he develops it will become alot clearer. For the moment I'm happy for him develop in the forward line.

 

[Bazzar]

Im to unsure to vote. Not convinced with Postie yet.

 

[Mr Magic]

I think Postie is a CHF but he really needs to develop his legs. He needs to get power from his legs to drive him forward and up .

Astbury also looks like a great prospect. I love his kicking for goal and he is a likely type who needs to fill out.

I also like Griffiths who is more agile than I thought from after seeing the weekend game.

I just don't know either. Some say Post is more suited to CHB but I am not so sure. You might even put him on the wing as a swingman like Richo.

Then again I am thinking Griffiths could play CHF as a pivot with Post on the HFF as a swingman and Reiwoldt up forward with a small forward pocket and another. Where does that leave Astbury. Astbury may be a CHB but what I love about him is his kicking. I think we will know more when they develop physically and fill out. Griffiths could also switch to HFF pivot and Post as CHF.

My gut feel is Posts longer stride is not suitable for CHB so on a agility basis Astbury might be more suited ATM but I love his kicking for goal. A lot will depend on matchups with the opposition I suppose.

It is a good dilemma to have ATM

 

[Tiger_Stripes]

Post is too slow to play CHB (or anywhere at the moment), needs to build his leg speed. Astbury has more awareness, more speed and can kick. Lift your game Post. Ultimately a defensive prospect, we need key defenders and he's my pick, a forward line of Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt, Taylor, Nason, Morton, White, Nahas starts to crowd. He doesn't have the mark to play forward. Nor does he have Richo's tank to play wing.

 

[coke_zero]

Post is too slow to play CHB (or anywhere at the moment), needs to build his leg speed. Astbury has more awareness, more speed and can kick. Lift your game Post. Ultimately a defensive prospect, we need key defenders and he's my pick, a forward line of Astbury, Griffiths, Riewoldt, Taylor, Nason, Morton, White, Nahas starts to crowd. He doesn't have the mark to play forward. Nor does he have Richo's tank to play wing.

ok, he is probably one of the best marks on our team. And he played CHB last year and didnt look out of place.

 

[Thecho]

I think he is a better mark for the high ball, only decent at marking on the lead. Similar to JR8. He did look slow this year but hopefully he gets his confidence and pace back. I think he is suited to CHB since he is so good on the high ball (contradiction comparing him to JR8, I know). I just feel that not only do we need more KPD but he is better defensively as he seems lost at time up forwards. Played most of his juniors at back too.

 

[tugga]

He's a forward. A natural forward.
You turn the wannabes into defenders...the not so talented ones.

 

[TigerTime88]

Here is my opinion on all our KPP:

Riewoldt is definitley a FF imo but if we are so blessed with talent one day you could play him and 2 other KPP in the forward line.

Griffiths Really like this kid. Will play FF/CHF parterning with Riewoldt

Astbury I like him as a CHF and think his goal kicking is too good to pass up. Plus he knows where to lead.

Groudis IMo he will be our FB or CHB. Pace, strength and a good verticle leap. Looked good in the pre season and I am pissed he was not given a go.

Pos No idea. Looked decent forward last year. I think that he is a bit slow at this point. I would like to see him given 6 games in a row at CHB to see how he goes.

McGuane/Thursfield Both are defensivley very good and do well considering there size. I rarely see a bag kicked on these guys. However if POst and Gourdis take the KPD roles where do these guys play? I think McGuane provides enough run to play 3rd tall. Thursfield I think could be traded.

Moore Can play off HBF. Has speed and skill and is a good defender. COuld play FB but has enough ability to hold down a BP or HBF. Would keep him unless we get a mint offer....

 

[ize_]

I dunno that he's a natural forward at all. I can't ever remember seeing him lead, except in his first game. I like this spine -

Gourdis
Post
Cotchin
Astbury
Griffiths

With Riewoldt and Rance. Hopefully we can get this going. Although out of those, Post is by far the one I'm most worried about.

 

[Spluff]

As much as I was sick of every tall forward in the competition being suggested to take a 'richo role', it may actually be a viable option with Posty. He's got good skills, lovely hands, he's pretty agile, and he loves a run down the wing. However, you need absolutely elite endurance for a big man to play that role and I have no idea whether he has it.

 

[tigerdan]

If anyone was going to play a 'Richo' role surely it is Rance. Wasn't he drafted as a wingman anyway? He's pretty tall, and mobile. Very hard to match up on. Will outmark conventional wingmen and too fast on a taller player.

Kicking seems a bit suss, but that's ok, on the wing he can always dish off a handball to a someone else running past.

 

[Roachy8]

Im to unsure to vote. Not convinced with Postie yet.

Yeah same here...
I have hardly seen Post play since last season when I would have placed him at CHF or FF for sure.
Looked very wobbly when in for The Tigers earlier this year and apart from last week at Coburg, reports out of there have not been flash either.

Perhaps needs to consolidate at Coburg either up forward or down back but it seems he has been thrown about a lot this season.
Jack & Griff are clearly forwards only and personally I like the look of Astbury when he hits up a long lead out of the forward half too.

I guess CHB for Postie then.

Oh, & there is heaps of mail on here that Gourdis will simply take an elevation and slot straight into full back for the ones. Played a good couple of quarters v The Hawks pre-season I know...

I guess it might happen but he is a rookie for a reason and if indeed he was to step off the rookie list and immediately establish himself at fullback it would be some sort of effort... here's hoping though.

 

[richcogs]

POST is a FF in my opinion. Looked very good down there last season. When has he played that great of a game in a Richmond Gernsey down back? He and Jack from the square.

Griffiths looks primed for CHF.

POLAK as I have continually stated. Why promote him? WFT were they thinking? Gourdis would possibly of cemented a spot by now. He's been the best Richmond player at Coburg this season! POLAK IS ####!

Moore is not a KPP.

McGuane FB! like McGuane more than Thursty because provides at least a little bit of run!

Astbury looks the goods. Swingman.

Riewoldt the best 3rd tall in the comp in years to come!

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

He just looks really, really lost on the field at times.

I don't think he has the closing speed to be an amazing CHB - and he gets confused, and loses the balance of attack/defence out there.

I must say I like him as a lead up CHF - he works his arse off - and really straightened us up early this year - they just weren't sticking.

Really - I don't think he's good enough at either to be given a go at the ones just yet. I know it's supposed to be a developmental year - but now we've got a bit of form going, why put him in for the sake of it?

 

[pieface]

i heard that when he comes back in he will be playing foward and pinch hitting in the ruck

 

[Ninjajuice]

Personally i think post needs to spend a few weeks down in the twos to be honest just so that he can find his "football" mind a bit. He seems very lost and unsure and in todays game if you cannot react fast then your going to be destroyed by other players. I also think we need a big versatile backman. someone like Brian Lake who can take a big pack mark and save the game. Maybe if Jack Reivolts kicking form drops down(touch wood it doesnt happen) then mabe we can trial him down back, mabe centre half back. He has a great mark. That would then allow Griffiths and Astbury to develop in the forward line whilst Nahas and Martin pick up the crumbs when the big boys drop the ball.

 

["The Roar Is Back"]

He's as raw as they come , his body looks so undeveloped , has no hardness to what so ever , I think once he tones up he could be anything , but at the moment has no fitness and muscle tone !! Hope whilst he's been at Coburg he has being spending shit loads of time in the gym!!

 

[coke_zero]

i heard that when he comes back in he will be playing foward and pinch hitting in the ruck

I hope this isnt true. I'd rather give games to Vickery and Browne than have to use a KPP in the ruck. It didnt work with Polak.

 

[Goldust]

I WAS fully in the Post at centre half forward camp pre-season and was pretty harsh on hardwick being so committed to playing him at centre half back.
But what I have seen thus far from Astbury and Griffiths - together with the continued development of Riewoldt - I am thinking those three have the key tall forward roles stitched up.
Post and Gourdis should be given every shot at being the two tall key defenders.

 

[bigstyletiger]

That's pretty much what I am thinking too Goldy. Post and Gourdis should be played exclusively as key backs in the twos until they get their chance either through form/injury.

A lot of people have a knock on his pace but at CHB is it a massive issue? I know I wouldn't put him on Buddy out of the square but Travis Cloke, J Brown, D Hale/Petrie types he should be fine.

 

[Danog]

Griffiths should be our CHF. Can launch it from outside 50 easily.

 

[Ralll]

CHF
Post impressed me in the forward line in his first few games. Then was shifted around and seemed to lose his way from there.

 

[santa claws]

genuine kpps projecting forward 3 yrs.
established.
riewoldt - yep genuine kpp and has proven beyond doubt he can play. the only question to be asked is how good will he be.
at this point in time with 3yrs down the track in mind jack is the only established kpp on the list.

so it leaves kpps in development projecting 3 seasons.some may some maynot make it who knows.

astbury - chf/chb who knows.
post - chf/chb who knows.
grimes - chb.
rance - chb. grave concerns about him being there in 3 yrs.
griffiths - ff/ruck.
westhoff - forward/ rookie listed so is a true speculator.
gourdis - ff/ fb the interesting one for me.
imo we have chf and chb well and truly covered.

to me we lack a big bodied fb in the lake mode or merrett. of course there are others who may be able to play there but its an actual type we dont have at all and need to look for.
to me we lack a quick leading big bodied strong overhead ff imo this could be gourdis if he makes the grade we need to cover this area just in case he doesnt.

third tall types who may pinch hit in the kp.

thursfield - good negator still needs size but is the best of the rest to play 3rd tall will need to add to his game. i can see him as a keeper.

mcguane - just not my cup of tea to many weaknesses in his game if hes there in 3 yrs i will not only be surprised but disappointed.
polak - sheesh has not been up to standard ever.

thursfield - imo the only genuine fb on the list right at this minute. still needs size but is a decent negator.

projecting forward we are at least 2 or 3 kpps shy of what we need. we are also a couple of ruckmen shy. and thats only if all make it.

just on post very good in the air and weather some want to believe it or not is a nice mover. would prefer to see him developed mainly at chb but it could pan out he plays forward. we wont know for another season or two.

to me over the next two yrs i reckon it is important we get games into all of jack astbury post griffiths and gourdis. add thursfield and use moore as a tall running defender.

when talking about this area one thing that always gets overlooked is depth. its not uncommon for clubs to have 4 or 5 big men down injured and more on occasion this is where depth and standard of depth is very important. maybe not so much right now for us, but when we start to challenge it becomes critical.