Kick ins

[Caramelas13]

When are we ever gonna get this right? Ever since Ben Hart's departure, we cannot set up a decent play from a kick in. While i don't think Johncock is the man for the job, i don't blame him. I think our set up from when the opposition score a behind is statue-like. There is no structure, system or rythm to our play from full back. Last week agaisnt Collingwood we coughed up about 6 scoring shots from bad kick ins. Today agaisnt Port we done the same. We can't afford to let the opposition set up against us so easily. Quicker ball movement is required. I guess that is what we need all over the park if we want to be regarded as a top notch team.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

Graham shouldn't be doing it, who cares if he passed some stupid test, its pretty obvious it isn't his thing doing it during a game. He should be receiving the ball, not kicking it. Get Ben Rutten to kick, or someone else, anyone.

 

[seababoon]

doughty.

 

[slinks]

You can see having the responsibility of kicking in is getting to johncock. In the last quarter when he kicked the ball from the full back area and it went straight to pearce (I think) about 40 out - Johncock just stood there shaking his head trying to figure out what just happened. I know this was not an actual kick in, but it's similar to the type of pressure that's on his shoulders everytime he's in the D50

 

[bus24]

Still rattled from the Geelong game.

 

[kingyubbo]

Agreed. Not meant to be kicking in. Ideally McLeod would be the best man, but he's a waste in defence. I agree with Doughty as his kicking has improved and he can run.

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

You can see having the responsibility of kicking in is getting to johncock. In the last quarter when he kicked the ball from the full back area and it went straight to pearce (I think) about 40 out - Johncock just stood there shaking his head trying to figure out what just happened. I know this was not an actual kick in, but it's similar to the type of pressure that's on his shoulders everytime he's in the D50

EXACTLY, he shouldn't have that pressure put on him, wtf is with Neil Craig trying to make players play in positions that are not their natural positions, just let Graham play ****ing footy.

 

[slinks]

Doughty may be playing great footy at the moment - but I really wouldn't wont him with the kick in duties. Decision making hasn't been one of his strong points (despite some fantasic evasive moves in the back pocket several times - below the old scoreboard today)

 

[Vince Van Mackay]

Just get the person with no pace to do it, aka Ben Rutten.

That way the people with pace can receive the ball and run.

I came to this conclusion without any fancy kick in tests. Then again, I didn't invest in FirePower either.

 

[slinks]

And make sure when he does kick it in - it's well away from the opposition ruckman. We seem to have a fondness of this trend with the obvious result of the ball rebounding back into the D50 or over the head of the bloke who originally kicked it in!

 

[kimirocks]

Anybody but ****ing Johncock. Went through this in the "trade to the ferals" thread, but although I have never seen the light of King Stiffy, I am hating him more every week. Poor decision making, poor execution. He has to go, at least from defence. McLeod is in a similar predicament, his execution has never been our best, but it's getting worse with age, missing targets (so evident in the last quarter with the game on the line, rebounds, Port goal,game over). He also has to go, bung him up forward where he can provide a spark at the crunch times of games, his coping of pressure (since he has been heavily tagged) since, say Round 8 has been somewhat not representative of the role he plays with our footy club, of a senior player. Furthermore skills below his knees, sublime in the early part of the decade, gone, fumbling, reluctance to attack the ball in a contested situation, can't believe I'm alluding to this, but sounds like a Lonie. Stand up son.

 

[Asgardian]

I'm off topic sorry, but kimirocks, your current location says "Ceske Republika"

Is this correct, and if so, do you see the footy by some sort of web cast?

 

[TheLeftFist8]

Anybody but ****ing Johncock. Went through this in the "trade to the ferals" thread, but although I have never seen the light of King Stiffy, I am hating him more every week. Poor decision making, poor execution. He has to go, at least from defence. McLeod is in a similar predicament, his execution has never been our best, but it's getting worse with age, missing targets (so evident in the last quarter with the game on the line, rebounds, Port goal,game over). He also has to go, bung him up forward where he can provide a spark at the crunch times of games, his coping of pressure (since he has been heavily tagged) since, say Round 8 has been somewhat not representative of the role he plays with our footy club, of a senior player. Furthermore skills below his knees, sublime in the early part of the decade, gone, fumbling, reluctance to attack the ball in a contested situation, can't believe I'm alluding to this, but sounds like a Lonie. Stand up son.

Some hard truths.

McLeod will do nothing up forward. Back pocket or nothing with his current performance and endeavour.

I am being a broken record here but Johncock FP or have a rest for a while to regain some composure.

 

[Coopers]

This is bullshit.

Stiffy has been brilliant at kick ins for 2 years now. He's had 3 bad games in a row, so yeah, maybe the confidence is down, but you guys are clammering on like it's a serious issue over the last 5 years or something.

With the exception of the last 3 weeks, kick ins have been great for a long time.

 

[kimirocks]

I'm off topic sorry, but kimirocks, your current location says "Ceske Republika"

Is this correct, and if so, do you see the footy by some sort of web cast?

Ahh, been back for a month or two, didn't notice that I hadn't changed it back. Good times

This is bullshit.

Stiffy has been brilliant at kick ins for 2 years now. He's had 3 bad games in a row, so yeah, maybe the confidence is down, but you guys are clammering on like it's a serious issue over the last 5 years or something.

With the exception of the last 3 weeks, kick ins have been great for a long time.

Stiffy is not a pressure player. He doesn't have the skills and composure to cope with it. In previous seasons there hasn't been nearly as much pressure on our kick ins as there has been in the last month or so. That much is evident at least. He really is turning into the new Fred Bassett, indecision is the main problem, by the time he decides what he's going to do with the ball, it's either too late, and in the oppositions hands, or it's about to be, whether through poor disposal, or giving the ball off to a teammate on his wrong side, or under even more pressure, he just panics.

It's fine to look at things subjectively some of the time, everybody has their favourites, but there comes a time where you just have to step back, pull the wool back from over the eyes and see where everything is at.

Moving on, the coaching staff need to throw out the tactics of attempting to rush the ball out of the defensive 50, we mastered that years ago against most opposition, against a lot of them it still works, however against the stronger/ faster/ better teams, we need to be a lot more reserved, and return to our ice cold status. Unwavering, unaffectable, robotic. For this in the future I see trying Reilly or DMac for kickins, both have sublime skills, I think we would see a difference with this, for now, I couldn't see any Crow on the D50 having any confidence in Johncock at the moment, we need to reinstill this, for the future if nothing else. Responsibility for the kids, thats where its at.

 

[Freddy Bassett]

This is bullshit.

Stiffy has been brilliant at kick ins for 2 years now. He's had 3 bad games in a row, so yeah, maybe the confidence is down, but you guys are clammering on like it's a serious issue over the last 5 years or something.

With the exception of the last 3 weeks, kick ins have been great for a long time.

Stiff has been brilliant up til the last 3 weeks. I think we are struggling because the guys arent moving enough and we do not have a dominant ruckman who can provide strong contests. I also blame the coaching staff more than stiff for not getting it right. It is a set play and the buck stops with the coach on this one.

 

[TheLeftFist8]

This is bullshit.

Stiffy has been brilliant at kick ins for 2 years now. He's had 3 bad games in a row, so yeah, maybe the confidence is down, but you guys are clammering on like it's a serious issue over the last 5 years or something.

With the exception of the last 3 weeks, kick ins have been great for a long time.

Cannot agree fully there. It's obviously at its lowest ebb now but Stiffy has often thrown in one or two clangers from a kick it in many games. He does not have the best foot skills. I wouldn't mind throwing the mature Mackay the job for a bit to see how he goes.

 

[Caramelas13]

While Stiffy's decision making can be erratic at times i still think our set up on kick ins isn't right. The poor bloke probably looks up and see's no structure to kick to. He is then forced to take a risk and kick to a 50/50 contest that in the past couple of months we have coughed up and conceeded scoring shots. We just need to get the ball moving quickly before the opposition set up their defensive zone on us.