Kick outs

[The Dr]

Seroiusly, in all my time watching the Dees, I can never remember us having a good plan with our kick outs.

You see other teams often bring the ball out from a kick-in with precision and pace, working the ball upfield without their opponents touching it, while we seem like we have no F'in idea.

There is generally one shocker per game where we turn it over directly from a kick-in, with a goal kicked as a result. It's horrible to watch.

Do we even have a designated kicker? It would be good to have Davey kicking out all the time, but we need him using the ball through the centre to deliver it to our forwards.

Has always been a problem with us, and it doesn't seem to be improving at all.... it might be getting worse actually.

 

[master bate]

I think we have been much better this year, we have just still had way too many simple basic mistakes like Rivers today. But I think the actual plan to clear to ball is good. I don't think you can have a designated kicker these days with the fast kick ins. You waste too much of an opportunity whilst you wait for the player to get there.

As we mature as a team we will get much better. I can see Bennell, Grimes and Strauss being good kick outs. Also as Frawley, Martin, Garland, Warnock etc improve they will become good targets for the long bomb which still has its place.

 

[Bartram_Class]

Hopefully Cheney or Grimes long-term can take that, even Bennell perhaps.

Just keep Bruce or Morton away from it. Especially Morton, I don't doubt his decision-making, its just the way the ball floats off his boot, not suited to kicking in.

 

[omit]

we were really good until half way through the 3rd. then everything fell apart when kicking out

 

[Headless]

It wouldn't be so bad if every second kick out didn't fall a metre short of the target.

 

[davey_magik]

Hope Strauss fills this gap.

Flash taking them works because he makes good decisions and hits targets, but like the Dr said I think he needs to play further up the field.

There never seems to be a strategy for it either. Would hope Riv doesn't take many more from here on in, thats a couple turnovers in the last two weeks kicking in.

 

[kv_baby]

Cost us the game i reckon

 

[demonfan9]

I don't bloody know why we have key position defenders taking our kick ins. First Rivers, then Martin. Surely we need those guys to be our marking options, not our designated kickers. I think Rivers also stuffed one up against Geelong last week too.

Second problem is that we are so slow to take them. I can't remember seeing a quick kick in, which is what most teams do to beat the zone. It's as if we have to play exactly by the book and wait for our "structure" to set up. Take it quickly, catch the opposition off guard, and we'll be a hell of a lot better.

Thirdly, it can't possibly be that hard to create a contest 60m out on the boundary line. You get two big blokes and a couple of smalls there scattered around. Then the player kicking in plays on to himself, runs that extra 5m metres, kicks it 50m to the contest, then all of a sudden the ball is in a safe spot. How hard of a concept is that?

 

[eliasd82]

At the risk of being verbally abused I didn't mind it when Wheatley was filling this role.. but moving forward I think Bennell looks the best of the bunch, as Davey is needed in the midfield.

 

[demonfan9]

At the risk of being verbally abused...

**** OFF YOU ****!

Nah, Wheatley does have a penetrating kick, but we can't put him in the side just because of that. More often than not, he'll shank the ball into the Members stand.

Apart from Davey, who do we have at the moment that we could well and truly rely on?

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

The 2 we kicked directly to them today were pretty silly. They weren't wide, they weren't safe and they obviously weren't executed. A lack of decent targets might be contributing? But yeah a little slow at times. Davey is good because he is our best kick but can burst into space or get out of sticky situations.

 

[The Dr]

**** OFF YOU ****!

Nah, Wheatley does have a penetrating kick, but we can't put him in the side just because of that. More often than not, he'll shank the ball into the Members stand.

Apart from Davey, who do we have at the moment that we could well and truly rely on?

For mine, probably Bennell. I rate his disposal, decision making and evasiveness, which is good for taking on the bloke defending the goalsquare.

 

[kv_baby]

Bennell should be our designated kicker, did Whelan take kick outs? cant remember.

 

[The Dr]

And yesterday, again, f@cked up a few kick outs, which could have cost us the game (two went straight to Dogs players, i think the results were one goal, one behind)....

And it's not just the simple skill errors that's killing us in this area, we just have no system at all. Other teams often spot up blokes in good positions or work the ball up the ground without us touching the ball, and before you know it the ball is up our defensive end 10 seconds after they kick out.

What do we do? If we don't kick it straight to our opposition, we chip it 20m to the pockets (giving the opposition time to re-group and re-zone) or kick it long the the boundary line in the hope of getting a contest.

Something Bailey really needs to work on.

 

[KickLongTackleHard]

we chip it 20m to the pockets (giving the opposition time to re-group and re-zone) or kick it long the the boundary line in the hope of getting a contest.

Maybe this is the plan. Works sometimes but is not complete. I like it when we run it out with numbers and handball in general play, but it doesn't make for good practise in a stoppage situation. Still if we can develop this side it gives us a 2nd dimension perhaps.

 

[RandB]

Beleive it or not this is one area where we miss White. When in doubt we could roost it down the guts for a White mark and then offload hand ball. This is another facet of tall player tactics which we are missing in PJ. Hopefully Spencer and perhaps Meesen can improve in this area over time for us. Mind you this is not a great "plan A" by any stretch, we need better system and decision making as well as kickers but it was handy at the time.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Missing Wheatley a bit in this department perhaps. The accuracy may be wanting a bit sometimes, but he's got a good boot on him.

 

[Flashhh]

...those were the days.

I think it's just that when the opposition kick a point they do the quickest to the goalsquare gets to kick out under 10s style. A Cheney or a Bartram just grab the ball get so excited and kick it down the throat of an opponent. Obviously Davey can't always be there but only 4 or 5 players should take kick outs and if someone outside of that group i.e. a Cheney or a Bartram decides to kick in it better come off.