Hawks1523
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king rafas reign is just getting started!! 
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King Rafa
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I really hope nadal wins the French Open.
If he does, he will be able to say that not only is he undefeated at Rolland Garos in half a decade, but that he has never lost a single match there since he first played there as a teenager.
Wow...
If he does, he will be able to say that not only is he undefeated at Rolland Garos in half a decade, but that he has never lost a single match there since he first played there as a teenager.
Wow...
wow i am shattered that you hate me.I am just giving it back for all the shit i have copped over the years, damn it feels great
You may have been right about Rafa, and he is the best player in the world at the moment, but your complete lack of humility in being right is an absolute disgrace. Can't you just be quietly satisfied in your moment of "victory" (even though you actually contributed nothing to Rafa's greatness)?
You are the worst kind of sporting fan. Rafa himself would be appalled if you publicly spoke about Federer the way you do on this site.
Meh he's gonna burn out soon enough just like our very own lley lley. Unless he resorts to drugs no human being can maintain that sort of physical output on a tennis court and not pay the consequence through injuries and exhaustion somewhere down the line.
Doesn't excuse Fed from being pathetic every time he comes up against Nadal though. It's official Fed's Nadal's little bitch. It's incredible how he can go from absolutely spanking and humiliating hugely talented players such as del Potro, Safin, Roddick etc... and simply bend over in front of Nadal.
Doesn't excuse Fed from being pathetic every time he comes up against Nadal though. It's official Fed's Nadal's little bitch. It's incredible how he can go from absolutely spanking and humiliating hugely talented players such as del Potro, Safin, Roddick etc... and simply bend over in front of Nadal.
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The complete and utter domination Nadal has over Federer is enough for me to say, as much as I love Rog, that he can't be considered the greatest of all time. He may not even be the greatest of this generation.
What's Nadal on now, 6 majors at the age of 22?
What's Nadal on now, 6 majors at the age of 22?
Hawks1523
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The complete and utter domination Nadal has over Federer is enough for me to say, as much as I love Rog, that he can't be considered the greatest of all time. He may not even be the greatest of this generation.
What's Nadal on now, 6 majors at the age of 22?
Bit harsh on Federer, as somebody has pointed out it's 5-2 in slams, and 2-2 off clay where Nadals unbeaten. Greatest of all time, he'll certainly be up there if he isn't already the greatest.
You could probably consider Rafa the next generation of players anyway.
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Rafa being undefeated there, don't see Federer winning the French.
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Excuse me, but he the shit i have received on this site from fed fans was truly pathetic, now its time for payback.No wonder fed fans are nowhere to be found now, where are you gaelictioger, mrs_richo, timeisrunningout and company??? all i say, is harden the **** up, if you dish it out, prepare for a payback as well
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Fed is not the greatest of all times, i agree with Lonie there.He just cant beat Rafa. Its been a long long time since he beat Rafa, although he won 13 slams most of them are against guys like Hewitt, Roddick and Fererro proabably the weakest period in the open era. He is not the best ever, Laver and Sampras still ahead of him.6 months ago in an exhibition match Sampras almost beat Roger, although it was an exhibition match it was fair to say that Federer was playing pretty solid tennis too.
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That exhibition game was just that - hit and giggle. You do not have to beat everybody on the tour to be regarded as the best ever. It is fair to say that Rafa is the best in world at the moment, however Federer had his chances and probably should have won in 3 or 4 sets in the Aus Open Final. 17 break point chances in 3 sets and he only won one of them. That is his own fault, but he showed everyone that he is hardly a fading force and if he could just get his head right on big points he can start to beat Rafa again - although probably not on clay. Weakest era - won 1 last year, 2 years ago he won 2 slams and 3 years ago he won 3 - Rafa, Djokovic, Safin - there has still been plenty of talent. You are an ignoramous
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should have, would have, could have... you live in a world of fantasy dont u? at wimbledon 2007 where rafa lost, rafa had 19 break chances and converted 3 of them while federer had 11 and converted 6..so that means rafa should have won wimbledon 2007?? suck it up loser, rafa owns fed 13-6 and 5-2 in slams.
Majority of his slams came against weak opponents like hewitt, roddick and fererro. He is not that great, he is a good player but he is getting exposed now that Nole, Murray and Rafa have arrived
How long has it been since Fed won against rafa? more than a year isnt it?
Now the funny thing is, fed won 3 games in the last french open final, will this year be triple bagel?
Federer is unable to beat Rafa in a slam.The last time he beat rafa rafa was a teenager.He is nowhere close to rafa on rafas favourite surface and he got owned on his own surface now.You can whinge bitch and moan, but the fact remains, if he is the greatest player ever, he cant even beat a so called "clay courter" on his favourite surface...wow some sort of great player he is
Wonder if he will cry again.
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Fed converted 3 of 8, Nadal 4 of 11.
Fed has never met Ferrero in a grand slam final. Roddick shits on Ferrero.
'Good' players don't win 13 grand slams, great players do.
4 actually.
I seem to remember it happening a couple of times.
21 is a teenager?
Well done TP. That was one of your more factually correct posts
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Fed converted 3 of 8, Nadal 4 of 11.
Fed has never met Ferrero in a grand slam final. Roddick shits on Ferrero.
'Good' players don't win 13 grand slams, great players do.
4 actually.
I seem to remember it happening a couple of times.
21 is a teenager?
Well done TP. That was one of your more factually correct posts
Hey llyody4pope, ok rafa was 20 year old when fed first beat him in a slam, that was his 2nd tournament on grass in 2006 (he lost to Gilles Muller in 2005 very early in the tournament) and and 2007 was his 4th tournament on grass.Wow great achievement and he won after having the shit scared out of him.
Why dont you tell me how many tournaments did roger win by beating nole, rafa and murray? 4! 2 out of 4 victories came by beating a "claycourter" on his favourite surface and rafas worst surface.(Just!)
Please remind me how did federer go when he was a 20 year old?
Whats his record when he came up against Nole , murray and rafa in slams? well 4 wins and 6 losses. Wow well done! he did beat a typical inexperienced clay courter on grass where he was supposed to destroy him and Andy Murray, a 1st time slam finalist and a teenager in Nole!Great achievement!
Nadals 5 slams out of his 6 came against Federer, thank god for Roger Federer
Please remind me who did he beat in the 9 slams that he won?
2003 wimbledon Poo (ROFL!)
2004 Aus Open Safin (headcase, wow)
2004 Wimbledon Roddick (lol!)
2004 US Open Hewitt (rofl!)
2005 Wimbledon Roddick. (lol!)
2005 US open Agassi (at the final stages of his career but i will pay this one)
2006 Aus Open Baghdatis (roflcoptermao)
2006 US open Roddick (lol!)
2007 Aus Open Gonzo (oh dear!)
Compare that to Nadal
2005 Puerta
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Federer
2008 Federer
2009 Federer
Plus rafa won on all 3 surfaces, something that whinging mug can never do.
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He doesnt deserve to win 13..he was lucky to be in a period where the stars were fading and the new generation wasnt ready to take over.Who did he compete against anyway? i mean roddick was his main rival ffs.Numbers can lie.. and federer is now getting found out, he is out of brains and depth against Nadal
Please remind me who did he beat in the 9 slams that he won?
2003 wimbledon Poo (ROFL!)
2004 Aus Open Safin (headcase, wow)
2004 Wimbledon Roddick (lol!)
2004 US Open Hewitt (rofl!)
2005 Wimbledon Roddick. (lol!)
2005 US open Agassi (at the final stages of his career but i will pay this one)
2006 Aus Open Baghdatis (roflcoptermao)
2006 US open Roddick (lol!)
2007 Aus Open Gonzo (oh dear!)
Compare that to Nadal
2005 Puerta
2006 Federer
2007 Federer
2008 Federer
2008 Federer
2009 Federer
Plus rafa won on all 3 surfaces, something that whinging mug can never do.
Err, so basically going by your theory...
2005 Puerta (LOL COPTER!!!11!!11!!!)
Rest Federer (OMG DUD LOL not even a good player, can't even beat anybody)
So in summary, Nadal is shitter than Federer because he hasn't beaten anybody in slams. End.
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try and keep up with the thread please.I never said federer is not a good player, i just said he is far from being the best player of all times.He is good ofcourse, thats not the question, but saying, he is the best of all times is pushing a bit.So if you reckon he is the best of all times then waht do you call rafas achievement? he has won 5 slam finals beating the best player of all times in his young career which is better than anyone in the history of tennis? if you dont reckon federer is the best player like i claim, then rafa still has beaten the best player in the present era to win his slams.So which one is it???
Yeah ok no shit, but you said he was good but not great. Fact.
Shaky statement.
And again.
Rafa's achievements are fantastic, no doubt about that. But your opinion towards Fed is obviously influenced because you are an obsessed fan boy, which has been evident throughout your bigfooty stay.
But using similar fan boy logic, I can deduce this theory: You said of Fed - "He is not that great, he is a good player." You said it. Rafa hasn't beaten a great player in a slam yet. That's fact according to you. Raf is playing in a shit era because the greatest player of the era is only good. Fact.
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Excuse me, but he the shit i have received on this site from fed fans was truly pathetic, now its time for payback.No wonder fed fans are nowhere to be found now, where are you gaelictioger, mrs_richo, timeisrunningout and company??? all i say, is harden the **** up, if you dish it out, prepare for a payback as well
With that mentality you should be supporting Carlton
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But according to you federer is the greatest right? so whats rafa then? legend? make up your mind please, no need to scream and say fact fact fact, i am asking you...you think roger is the greatest right? but rafa has beaten your "greatest" player 5 times out of 7 in slams to win the slams!
Anyhow, i figured you wont give a straight answer to the question, i am not obsessed, i just find inspiration from the mental strength that rafa has! i have pointed it out before that rafa can beat roger on all surfaces, which people obviously thought was not possible.Some of those names who ridiculed me, no wonder are no longer present in this forum.I was proven to be correct and indeed rafa is my idol, theres nothing with that, other than you jealous mugs getting all worked up about it.Simply , i dont care, i made a point a few years ago and i was proven to be the correct one.
And finally federer is not the greatest, he is good but not great.If you think he is the greatest why is he unable to win against his biggest rival? did you see Sampras struggle against Agassi that much?did you see Laver struggle against Roche, Emersson this much? "greatest players" can play well on all surfaces and can beat anyone, unlike federer.If you think he is the greatest, then fine! but back it up with solid material, not just so called "fact, fact , fact".You are influenced by quantity not quality.When faced with a tough opponent Federer is exposed.He is mentally vulnerable and weak against Rafa. Bravo Matts Wilaner in 2006, when he said Fed doesnt have the balls to face Rafa! he is correct...and what a great prediction that was!That doesnt quite make him the greatest does it?
Have you seen some of the shots he missed against Rafa? he is shaky and clearly doesnt believe he can beat rafa.You may say ok it happend once or twice but not really.This has happened many many times now..and we can safely conclude that Fed doesnt have the balls to beat Rafa.Mats Wiliander you are a legend
Greatest player ever? I don't have a definitive answer about Federer at this stage in terms of overall place in history. But he is clearly a great player, and will go down as one of the greats. I am not a fanboy. You are a fanboy.
I answered your question by using your own words. Federer is only good. Rafa has only beaten 'good' players in slams. Therefore Rafa is only 'good'. Simple?
That's funny and sad at the same time.
Mental strength can only get you so far too. You think soon enough that players aren't going to work out how to get past the Nadal wall? Especially once his body is unable to cope with his demanding style of play?
I don't care about what other people say, it's what you have to say that I think is stupid. And I am sure they aren't back because they fear the wrath of Total Power. The scary fanboy! Once again don't group me with other fanboy's, I am not one. Ever thought they might just be sick of your obsession?!
Once again, you can't call somebody a 'good' player after 13 grand slams. Don't be such a deluded moron. You especially can't say Rafa is great after only beating 'good' players in slams. See how easy that is?
Sampras couldn't win on clay either, so what's your point? You just used him as an example of someone great? So Sampras wasn't a great player either? Oops.
See, I am using the same bullshit logic towards Rafa as you are towards Federer. See how easy it is to spin together 'facts' when using other people's words? And again, never said he was the greatest, just pointing out your stupid fanboy reasoning.
Still, don't know what overall affect this has on one's 'greatness'. When weighing up the good vs the bad of Federer's career, he clearly is in the 'great' column. Don't be such a deluded fanboy. It's sickening.
Rafa has said himself he knows his place, it's 6 vs 13 at the moment...
Total Power is a bit of a fool really.
The 'Fed has won his Slams in a weak era' is a huge copout. You are only saying that because he has won the majority of them. He's only good? ROFLMAO . He's one of the best players of all time, what the hell is your problem with him?
Do you think Rafa thinks the same way about Fed that you do? Rafa respects his opponents. You are just an idiot with a chip on your shoulder.
The 'Fed has won his Slams in a weak era' is a huge copout. You are only saying that because he has won the majority of them. He's only good? ROFLMAO
. He's one of the best players of all time, what the hell is your problem with him?Do you think Rafa thinks the same way about Fed that you do? Rafa respects his opponents. You are just an idiot with a chip on your shoulder.
Unless I missed a hell of a lot tennis in the 90's I don't believe Sampras ever made it to French Open final, let alone 3, yet he is 'great'??? (and according to many the best or 2nd best player ever). Yes, Federer has not won a French Open but has finished runner up 3 times to arguably the 'greatness' clay courter, but apparently that counts for little and makes him a dud clay courter.
I read somewhere that you suggess that Federer has won his slams in a 'transition' period between sampras/agassi etc and murray/nadal/djoko. Not sure about you, but 5 years (length of federer's dominance) is a pretty bloody long transition period.
And this 'transition' period is slightly flawed given Murray is yet ot win a slam (yes he may but hasnt) and is djoko anygood??? (anyone who retires in 25% of grand slam matches must be questioned). So I ask what exactly are we transitioning too?
Sampras played Agassi and who else? Did he win in a transition period between Edgber/Becker/Courier and Federer/Nadal? Did Borg win in a transition period before dominant players of the 60's and McEnroe/Connors? A nonsense statement ...
You want facts ... here are the facts. Federer has :
- Won 13 grand slams (on all surface bar clay)
- Made 18 grand slam finals (on all surfaces)
- Made 17/18 grans slam semi finals in a row (thats more than the total grand slams djoko and murray have played)
- Being ranked number 1 for 4? 5? years
- Won about 60 tournaments worldwide
But apparently he is not 'great' only 'good' .... give me a break.
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