King

[Devilcat]

King got towelled by Street and Minson in the ruck. So Street is a beanpole, and primarily a tap ruckman, but King should've still been more competitive. When a ruckman of King's bulk plays against someone like Street, he should hit the body hard, but I didn't see him smash Street's match stick body once... King was a great player, and is still a good commander of troops, but his body is ****ed and his skills have faded even more... They were very ordinary on Sunday. He was one of the most dissapointing players IMO.

Troubles in the ruck anyone?

 

[LongBomb]

I don't think King was 'towelled up' at all.

He had 15 hitouts to Streets 21.
And King did far more around the ground. 15 touches to Street's 3.

 

[thehoff]

Gotta agree with Lombbomb Devilcat.

King did alot more damage around the ground and worked pretty hard off the ball yesterday. He was continually dropping into the hole between CHF & FF for the doggies and was putting his body on the line in contested situations.

Considering Street spend more time in the ruck, King did well for the club IMO. If it was not for King staying in the Ruck, we would have lost the game as Otto would have had to change into the centre as McCarthy was trying hard but was getting smashed.

A good indication is usually the certre clearances and for once we did not get smashed, as a result, I thought Kingy played a decent game of footy and will be huge for this club should we make the finals.

 

[cats2rise]

Listening to the radio, i was under the impression that at centre bounces, Kingy was winning more tap outs, but for throw-ins and ball ups Street was winning the majority of taps. Just a coincidence or maybe King fairs better when he has a little run-up rather that one on one at the moment?

 

[Catnip]

I thought more of Kings taps were actually to Cat players and that he wasn't too bad.

 

[thegerman]

Towelled up ??? King played pretty well, got a bit of the ball around the ground also. Street is a lot taller than King, therefore has a greater opportunity to win the tap, especially in light of the poor bouncing the the men in white.

The best way to see the difference in whether we were towelled up in the ruck dept or not is the breaks from stoppages, which I believe we won on the day.

 

[Devilcat]

Me thinks you guys have double standards. I only watched the game on tv, living in Tasmania and all, but from what I saw on TV King was pretty ordinary. His disposals often resulted in turnovers, or less than optimum situations, and he was weak in the ruck. I know King has been a champion, but he is already on his last legs. I don't know how you guys can constantly criticise Kelly and Wojak and think that King did well???

 

[thehoff]

Me thinks you guys have double standards. I only watched the game on tv, living in Tasmania and all, but from what I saw on TV King was pretty ordinary. His disposals often resulted in turnovers, or less than optimum situations, and he was weak in the ruck. I know King has been a champion, but he is already on his last legs. I don't know how you guys can constantly criticise Kelly and Wojak and think that King did well???

Well, as i said. King did a number of 1%'s that you would not have had the beauty of seeing on television.

It's sometimes hard to gauge someone's impact on a game when you can not see all of the tactics implemented.

 

[Ninty]

We have only won 1 game without King, won 7, lost 2 with him playing. Very important to have him in the side, with Ottens also going forward.

 

[thehoff]

We have only won 1 game without King, won 7, lost 2 with him playing. Very important to have him in the side, with Ottens also going forward.

CASE CLOSED!

 

[thejester]

I'd go as far as to suggest that he's the only real leader we have. He's just such a dominating presence that you can't help but feel the other players take a lot of inspiration from him. OTOH, it was physically painful to watch him chasing - the Bulldog player would be jogging and still draw away from him.

 

[linger_isgod]

Listening to the radio, i was under the impression that at centre bounces, Kingy was winning more tap outs, but for throw-ins and ball ups Street was winning the majority of taps. Just a coincidence or maybe King fairs better when he has a little run-up rather that one on one at the moment?

I think that Street's massive height advantage would have a lot to do with that.

 

[Mooney_d'King]

I went to the match and thought in general that he was pretty good. He had a couple of clangers/turn-overs but he read the ball well for the most part. The only weakness is a bit of a lack of pace, which was exploited at times, but on the upside he's such a huge, bulky unit that even when others tackle him they don't tend to be able to rattle him much or topple him. I really like his presence out there.

 

[nananana catman]

We have only won 1 game without King, won 7, lost 2 with him playing. Very important to have him in the side, with Ottens also going forward.

Very interesting stat that!

 

[Devilcat]

...and is still a good commander of troops

He still is very ordinary in the job he is supposed to be doing.

 

[Mr.Chicken]

I think King is more important to our side mentally than actually in anything he does. As mentoined earlier, we have won nearly all of our games when he plays and only won one without him. Plus he serves as a good partner with Ottens. Hopefully he can remain injury-free for the rest of the year.

 

[Zeroman]

I think King is more important to our side mentally than actually in anything he does...

Yes sadly I agree. Kind of shows how dependent gfc has been on King (& Harly pre-injury saga) for mental support, and TRUE leadership. There seems to be a leadership vacuum that only King fills. Ling does not seem to be a stabilising/uplifting influence, hence unsuitable as captain material.

The idea of a distributed leadership (re Sydney model), has not served Geelong. It has diluted and fractured the lines of authority, leaving nobody to look to in the absence of King.

If the older playing group have not the gift to lead (which is no insult), time to allow mid-aged players time to grow in the role. If Scarlet wasn't FB he'd be a good choice. ONLY MOONEY has it all for the vice or captaincy role.

Captain - King
Vice Captain(s) - Mooney & Chapman
(Mooney to become captain in future. Chapman as second vice captain as he is still captain material. Not much point having a vice captain that cannot be seriously considered as a future possible captain.)

 

[Partridge]

If the older playing group have not the gift to lead (which is no insult), time to allow mid-aged players time to grow in the role. If Scarlet wasn't FB he'd be a good choice. ONLY MOONEY has it all for the vice or captaincy role.

Captain - King
Vice Captain(s) - Mooney & Chapman
(Mooney to become captain in future. Chapman as second vice captain as he is still captain material. Not much point having a vice captain that cannot be seriously considered as a future possible captain.)

If they were to replace King, I would have it out of only 2 - Scarlett and Chapman. Either I believe would be an excellent choice.

 

[Zeroman]

If they were to replace King, I would have it out of only 2 - Scarlett and Chapman. Either I believe would be an excellent choice.

Geelong needs a captain that can inspire, dominate and electrify the ground. It's really hard to do this from FB.

 

[Sir Gusset]

Geelong needs a captain that can inspire, dominate and electrify the ground. It's really hard to do this from FB.

did you even watch the game last weekend?? You could argue the same about full forward.

If a player leads from the front and inspires through a combination of hard work, courage, skill and application then he is captain material and Scarlo gets a tick in every box.

 

[Zeroman]

Rarely can Scarlett afford to get forward of center (on his terms) when playing top of ladder teams. As nice as it is to watch.

did you even watch the game last weekend?? You could argue the same about full forward.

I disagree.

Forwards bring home the bacon, backmen keep house.
The last couple of years have seen much of the talent sent (by Bomber) to homeduties.
Then Mooney moves to FF in NAB cup for a rest...

(I argue that talent should be weighted to the FWD half of the ground, filling the BCK with hard thumping "grunts", who can atleast handball to dish off as required.)