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garnett said:
If Kobe never wins MVP he will go down as the greatest player to never win one throughout his career.
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Elgin Baylor is my vote for the greatest player never to have won an MVP. In fact in his 14 year career he didn't win anything other than ROTY and 8 runners-up medalons. The pre-cursor to Dr J, "Glide' Drexler, Jordan and Kobe, he was the original excitement machine who played his basketball 'above the rim'.
Averaged over 27ppg and 13rpg during his career, and has been ranked in the top 10 of every 'greatest player' poll of the last 30 years.
 
The thing is though, doesnt' the voting take place before the playoffs ???

I mean Dirk won it last year, but I would ask you this ?
Would have have won it if the voting took place after the Mavs crashed out of the playoffs in the first rnd (and Dirk had an downright shocking season ???)

I know it's only for regular season, but still though i kinda think his playoff disaster kinda tarnished Dirk's MVP season ...
 
BomberAUS said:
It's a disgrace that Kobe has 0 MVP's and Nash has 2.
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Disgrace is pretty harsh dude. Nash is a fantastic player and is thoroughly deserving of his awards. I agree that Bryant is MVP worthy but don't bag out Nash. That is poor form.
 

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celtic_pride said:
Worst dual MVP winner ever ..
That is fact
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This is moronic.

MVP is handed out to the best player that season, not based on career achievements.

In 04-05 it came down to Shaq vs. Nash, and either one would have been a worthy winner. Both re-invented their respective franchises, although Phoenix's turnaround was far more drastic. Looking back it was the right choice.

In 05-06 the only better player was Kobe, but he couldn't win given the MVP criteria that most journos go by (i.e. it has to be a 50+ win team). So it was a fairly clear-cut decision.

And you could comfortably make a case that he should have won it a third time in 06-07, which was actually his best year statistically.
 
mydarlingclementine said:
This is moronic.

MVP is handed out to the best player that season, not based on career achievements.

In 04-05 it came down to Shaq vs. Nash, and either one would have been a worthy winner. Both re-invented their respective franchises, although Phoenix's turnaround was far more drastic. Looking back it was the right choice.

In 05-06 the only better player was Kobe, but he couldn't win given the MVP criteria that most journos go by (i.e. it has to be a 50+ win team). So it was a fairly clear-cut decision.

And you could comfortably make a case that he should have won it a third time in 06-07, which was actually his best year statistically.
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Glad to see someone has some sense. I totally agree with 06-07 as that being his best year statistically, but it shows stats aren't everything.

Anyone who bags Nash has got serious problems. He's acheived more in his career than KG yet I would never bag KG because he is a star.

CP before bagging Nash you better tell your boys to play some defence on Caron Butler :D
 
mydarlingclementine said:
This is moronic.

MVP is handed out to the best player that season, not based on career achievements.

In 04-05 it came down to Shaq vs. Nash, and either one would have been a worthy winner. Both re-invented their respective franchises, although Phoenix's turnaround was far more drastic. Looking back it was the right choice.

In 05-06 the only better player was Kobe, but he couldn't win given the MVP criteria that most journos go by (i.e. it has to be a 50+ win team). So it was a fairly clear-cut decision.

And you could comfortably make a case that he should have won it a third time in 06-07, which was actually his best year statistically.
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Wade, Nowitzki, Lebron, Brand...
 
Am I right in saying that Andrew Bynum is out for 2 months with a knee injury?

If this is the case I cannot see the Lakers winning any more than 20 games (20 wins and 25 losses) for the rest of the season (leaving them on 45/46 wins). That’s not enough to get any home court advantage in the West.

MVP is about winning games and if the Lakers struggle so will KB8 MVP chances.

IMO – KG will be MVP.
 
plowking said:
Wade, Nowitzki, Lebron, Brand...
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Out of the 4 you mentioned, Lebron probably has the best case. Nowitzki had a very good year on a very good team...but he's always been too one-dimensional to win MVP (and I still say last year was a bad decision). Wade and Brand are well behind.

But considering Amare was out for the year, and they still won 54 games in the Western Conference...I don't think it's reasonable to say Nash didn't deserve it.
 
crows98 said:
Am I right in saying that Andrew Bynum is out for 2 months with a knee injury?

If this is the case I cannot see the Lakers winning any more than 20 games (20 wins and 25 losses) for the rest of the season (leaving them on 45/46 wins). That’s not enough to get any home court advantage in the West.

MVP is about winning games and if the Lakers struggle so will KB8 MVP chances.

IMO – KG will be MVP.
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Why? Bynum hasn't really been an impact player the last two years, and they've done better than .500 both years. Plus they have Fisher at PG now instead of Parker.

Even without Bynum, they should be able to win more than they lose.
 
mydarlingclementine said:
Why? Bynum hasn't really been an impact player the last two years, and they've done better than .500 both years. Plus they have Fisher at PG now instead of Parker.

Even without Bynum, they should be able to win more than they lose.
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Maybe not last year but he has this year. KB8 is there main man but Andrew Bynum is the difference this year to last. They have no one else to play inside. Fisher is a good role player but he isn’t going to make much of a difference.

Let’s see how the Lakers are going after they return from that 9 game road trip starting real soon. This will be the next test for this squad.
 

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mydarlingclementine said:
Out of the 4 you mentioned, Lebron probably has the best case. Nowitzki had a very good year on a very good team...but he's always been too one-dimensional to win MVP (and I still say last year was a bad decision). Wade and Brand are well behind.

But considering Amare was out for the year, and they still won 54 games in the Western Conference...I don't think it's reasonable to say Nash didn't deserve it.
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Wade averaged 27ppg, 7apg and 6rpg along with 2 steals. How is this well behind?

Nowitzki 27ppg, 9rpg and 3 apg. How is he one dimensional?

Brand 25ppg, 10rpg and 2.5 apg. 10 game turnaround from last season, all due to Brand stepping his game up. This is not well behind.

Lebron- Well we all know he averaged well that season and should have been closer.

Even Duncan - Did not have the best season, though led his team to 63 and 19.

Nash on the other hand get 8 less wins (I know it was without Amare), though still manages to get it.
 
plowking said:
Wade averaged 27ppg, 7apg and 6rpg along with 2 steals. How is this well behind? He's not even the best SG that year (Bryant), so he can't be considered

Nowitzki 27ppg, 9rpg and 3 apg. How is he one dimensional? He's a scorer. Of course he'll get a few rebounds, the dude's 7"0 tall and plays almost 40mins a game. In fact, given his height/minutes, that 9rpg is poor.

Brand 25ppg, 10rpg and 2.5 apg. 10 game turnaround from last season, all due to Brand stepping his game up. This is not well behind. That Clippers season is due completely to Sam Cassell. Brand improved, but he wasn't the reason they won more. He simply isn't the best at his position.

Lebron- Well we all know he averaged well that season and should have been closer.

Even Duncan - Did not have the best season, though led his team to 63 and 19. Was injured most of that season iirc? I'm a big Duncan fan though, and wouldn't have a problem with him getting it any season, simply because of his influence on both ends.

Nash on the other hand get 8 less wins (I know it was without Amare), though still manages to get it. What's "8 less" got to do with it? He got 54 wins with a team that had absolutely no-one who could create their own shot. It was an impressive season.
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Wade - Like I've always been told about the MVP, it's not if your the best player, simply most valuable.

Linking the Nowitzki argument with the Nash one, he's a point guard of course he's going to get assists.

Duncan - He still played 80 games that season and had the 2nd best record.
 
Wade - Like I've always been told about the MVP, it's not if your the best player, simply most valuable. If we're going by that criteria, he's not even close. He had a much better supporting cast, and couldn't win as many games as Nash's Suns in the much weaker East.

Linking the Nowitzki argument with the Nash one, he's a point guard of course he's going to get assists. Huh? Nash led the league in assists. Nowitzki was nowhere near the league leaders in rebounds. Completely different story.

Duncan - He still played 80 games that season and had the 2nd best record. But had the worst year of his career, so very hard to give it to him
 
i think nash definitely deserved the mvp awards those years. there's no denying how consistent he was (is). he's efficient in every aspect of the game and has the ability to take over games when required.

as for this year, if the award was given based on statistics lebron or paul would clean up..lebron will only win if the cavs win more games as for paul, i dont have a good reason why he shouldnt win it..kobe though, he's just a freak. the difficulty level of the shots that he has to make are incredible! his stats are down this year but theres a good reason for that. it will be interesting to see how things pan out for the lakers now that bynums at for 2 months but i still reckon he's the frontrunner for the mvp.
 

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peternorth said:
wade doesnt need an mvp cause he always gets bailed out by the refs and going to the line :D
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Really baffled me today when I was watching the Orlando-Heat game from Dec 29 and Wade got to second already behind Big Zo for most free throw attempts for Heat players in history. Now he's still about 900 behind Zo but Dwayne has got 2300ish in 4 years of playing, its taken Zo 12 years at the Heat(?) to get 3200ish.

I know the Heat arent that old of a franchise so its expected he'd take the mantle eventually but thats crazy.
 

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