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SaintsSeptember said:
Pity they told him they were.
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Sure we are interested, you have to be if a talented kid wants to return home and picks your club. Doesn't mean we will offer up gold for him.

I'd back us to get him in the draft if he goes in it.
 

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I doubt it will be done until the Eagles or the Saints blink on Mitch Brown.

I have a feeling the Eagles would rather use Stevens to obtain Cripps via a 3 way trade.

The Saints won't deal Cripps until the final minute, if at all, due to the hope that the Eagles will cave trade Brown for him.
 
paul scholes said:
How in earth do you expect to get pick 21 for a guy who has played 11 games in 4 years.
Pick 44 . End Of
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i dont. i was merely mocking previous post.

its clear that if St Kilda want to talk about brown, they need to do a deal for Cripps first. by tying in cripps to brown, we know that st kilda is attempting to dilute value of brown. this is de-leveraging ourselves and clear we understand what st kilda is doing. its now a case of playing chicken first. who will blink first? we have nothing to lose. we cant lose brown. we dont gain cripps, true but we still have a chance in draft. noone else will draft him.
 
Galileo9 said:
i dont. i was merely mocking previous post.

its clear that if St Kilda want to talk about brown, they need to do a deal for Cripps first. by tying in cripps to brown, we know that st kilda is attempting to dilute value of brown. this is de-leveraging ourselves and clear we understand what st kilda is doing. its now a case of playing chicken first. who will blink first? we have nothing to lose. we cant lose brown. we dont gain cripps, true but we still have a chance in draft. noone else will draft him.
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Is it clear he won't re-sign for a year.
 
#51 for Stevens seems a fair deal to me. Hopefully done sooner rather then later.
 
Galileo9 said:
i dont. i was merely mocking previous post.

its clear that if St Kilda want to talk about brown, they need to do a deal for Cripps first. by tying in cripps to brown, we know that st kilda is attempting to dilute value of brown. this is de-leveraging ourselves and clear we understand what st kilda is doing. its now a case of playing chicken first. who will blink first? we have nothing to lose. we cant lose brown. we dont gain cripps, true but we still have a chance in draft. noone else will draft him.
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Saints will
 
I wonder if StKilda will actually let Cripps go to the draft? we dont have any picks that would satisfy them. The best they would get is #44 and even that looks dubious at the moment. We just dont have the currency to make the trade happen.
 
41 for Cripps isn't that bad, especially if we get 51 for Stevens.

Ebert last year, 28 and a pick downgrade. That's comparable. Josh Hill for 49, that's comparable.

Saints can let him go into the draft, but the eagles are giving the lower end of acceptable. We could throw in mid third round Josh Fraser compo.
 

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Suma Magic said:
41 for Cripps isn't that bad, especially if we get 51 for Stevens.

Ebert last year, 28 and a pick downgrade. That's comparable. Josh Hill for 49, that's comparable.

Saints can let him go into the draft, but the eagles are giving the lower end of acceptable. We could throw in mid third round Josh Fraser compo.
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Well this pick we have had for a couple of years now and on its own it holds only marginal value and is likely to be a "sweetener" in a deal to get something done. A mid 3rd rounder these days is what pick 45ish.

If the Saints want Brown only pick 13 will do the job with the Eagles throwing in another pick.

Basically Brown + 41 for 13

Pick 45 for Cripps
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Is it clear he won't re-sign for a year.
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is it clear he will? i like it how saints fans are presenting it as though they have a bigger leverage with cripps than we have with brown. they acknowledge that brown is contracted but act as though that means less than being uncontracted.
 
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Well this pick we have had for a couple of years now and on its own it holds only marginal value and is likely to be a "sweetener" in a deal to get something done. A mid 3rd rounder these days is what pick 45ish.

If the Saints want Brown only pick 13 will do the job with the Eagles throwing in another pick.

Basically Brown + 41 for 13

Pick 45 for Cripps
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The Eagles won't trade Brown.

I was just referring to Cripps, as the saints have to trade him, and feel we should offer them more than we have to, despite the strong likelihood we could get him in the draft.
 
Suma Magic said:
The Eagles won't trade Brown.

I was just referring to Cripps, as the saints have to trade him, and feel we should offer them more than we have to, despite the strong likelihood we could get him in the draft.
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Define "have to trade him"
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Define "have to trade him"
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You don't have to. Or have to as much as any team does where an uncontracted player wants to leave. Just as we "have to" trade Stevens.

Saints/Cripps' options (in my opinion):
- re-sign him. Unlikely but possible.
- trade to eagles. Likely.
- trade to Freo. Unlikely but possible.
- allow him to go into draft. More likely than re-signing, but still unlikely. In the draft he could be picked up by any team, although eagles most likely, dockers and saints possibilities.
 

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Suma Magic said:
You don't have to. Or have to as much as any team does where an uncontracted player wants to leave. Just as we "have to" trade Stevens.

Saints/Cripps' options (in my opinion):
- re-sign him. Unlikely but possible.
- trade to eagles. Likely.
- trade to Freo. Unlikely but possible.
- allow him to go into draft. More likely than re-signing, but still unlikely. In the draft he could be picked up by any team, although eagles most likely, dockers and saints possibilities.
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If our only option is to get bent over by the Eagles, it certainly makes sense to throw some money at him in a one year contract.
Why do you say going into the draft is more likely than re-signing?

Do you have any information to support your opinion, or are you just another little guy on the internet with a big opinion?
 
SaintsSeptember said:
If our only option is to get bent over by the Eagles, it certainly makes sense to throw some money at him in a one year contract.
Why do you say going into the draft is more likely than re-signing?

Do you have any information to support your opinion, or are you just another little guy on the internet with a big opinion?
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Mate I'm just guessing. I just said it was my opinion. I've got the same opinion about Stevens: he's more likely to go into the draft than re-signing with the Eagles.

And I'm of average height.
 
SaintsSeptember said:
Is it clear he won't re-sign for a year.
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well he has left the club, said his goodbyes, and has moved back to WA. there is also suggestion on here that he has very reasonable personal issues that have sent him home
never say never, but it seems very unlikely. koby is the same, hes gone, and if no deal is done, he will go into the PSD and end up at the bulldogs.
if a player is happy to play on with his current club, it usually comes out in the media somewhere, as it has with mitch brown.
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Saints will
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will they? no player who has quit his club for the draft has ever been redrafted by his old club. admittedly thats from a small sample size, as players who end up in the draft are rare, but its very unlikely for a number of reasons, not least of all being the AFLPA, who wouldnt take kindly to a player being forced into a 2 year contract to a club he has quit. would the saints really force the issue for cripps? i seriously doubt it, hes not valued that highly. even if it looked like they might, there would be some tense phone calls to saint kilda from andy d and matt finnis

if he ends up in the PSD, he is most likely to end up in fremantle.
 
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