KPP for sale

[bigman]

If we are going to get a KPP this year's draft has a number of exciting prospects in the top 10 picks.

To name just a few:

James Sellar
Lachie Hansen (Gippsland)
Scott Gumbleton (WA)

These boys are all supposed to be standout players.

Throw in the likes of Leroy Jetta (star quality), Bryce Gibbs etc. we may be able to pinch a player with some creative trading.

Some of the talls may stay a little longer due to changes in the priority picks and the fact that teams like Brisbane need midfielders of quality.

The question will be who to go for and who to give up?

At this stage of the year - although early what are your answers to these questions.

Lets then revisit the question after the Under 18 championships and then at the end of the year.

 

[crowsarethebest]

I doubt Craigy will want to do trading- He's not a big fan of it, especially Trading for draft pciks, but this year its very VERY tempting. The depth is so good as well, you can still get excellent players with 2nd and 3rd draft picks. Hansen, Sellar, Gibbs, thorp and Gumbleton might be out of our reach, but Riewoldt, Jetta, Houli and Selwood Might slip down to where we might have out draft picks, which is late 1st round with the way we are going at the moment.

 

[bigman]

I doubt Craigy will want to do trading- He's not a big fan of it, especially Trading for draft pciks, but this year its very VERY tempting. The depth is so good as well, you can still get excellent players with 2nd and 3rd draft picks. Hansen, Sellar, Gibbs, thorp and Gumbleton might be out of our reach, but Riewoldt, Jetta, Houli and Selwood Might slip down to where we might have out draft picks, which is late 1st round with the way we are going at the moment.

The game today showed me the need for a good power forward. If you have a strong player who can take a mark it really strightens you up. Kenny just could not cut it for three quarters and Trent is still best when oneout with his opponent.

We either need to work hard for a high draft pick, or go for the Big Pav as I have said before.

Biggles said tonight he is out of contract.... so if he is going to come home he would be of best value to do it at the nd of this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Who is out of contract?

As Crow-mo and myself have been saying for a while, this is the year to trade away the picks and hopefully Pav wants to come home

 

[No 1 Draft Pick]

The game today showed me the need for a good power forward. If you have a strong player who can take a mark it really strightens you up. Kenny just could not cut it for three quarters and Trent is still best when oneout with his opponent.

We either need to work hard for a high draft pick, or go for the Big Pav as I have said before.

Biggles said tonight he is out of contract.... so if he is going to come home he would be of best value to do it at the nd of this year.

who is out of contract?

 

[bigman]

who is out of contract?

The Big Pav boys. My poor English skills late at night.

 

[maccas_no1]

Who is out of contract?

As Crow-mo and myself have been saying for a while, this is the year to trade away the picks and hopefully Pav wants to come home

Agree I think we need to throw the farm at Fremantle to get Pavlich.

 

[jmorg1]

Agree I think we need to throw the farm at Fremantle to get Pavlich.

And what would the farm consist of?

 

[Wizard]

Big Biglands is off the money, Pav is signed until the end of the 2007 season.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

You'd be looking at minimum 2 first round picks, and they'd probably need to be two top ten picks with one of those in the first five. What would you be prepared to trade for those goodies? Don't forget too that Trigg was saying you'd be trying to get a draft pick to get Bryce Gibbs.

 

[Jumbo]

You'd be looking at minimum 2 first round picks, and they'd probably need to be two top ten picks with one of those in the first five. What would you be prepared to trade for those goodies? Don't forget too that Trigg was saying you'd be trying to get a draft pick to get Bryce Gibbs.

That's probably the bigger question for the crows, who would they rather have, PAVLICH or GIBBS?

 

[Alex99]

Agree I think we need to throw the farm at Fremantle to get Pavlich.

And on this farm, what are we going to offer the Barry Crocker’s (the Shockers) for Mathew Pavlich?

After reading Stiffy_18 and Crows_Mo assessment on the situation they would want to give the first and possibly the second round draft pick to gain his service but is that simply going to be enough. Are we going to need to add any players? If so who?

Who would Fremantle want that we have and we are also willing to part with for Mathew Pavlich?

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

Is anyone player worth that much? Because that is what I would expect the Fremantle would be asking in a trade for Mathew Pavlich.

 

[Macca19]

Interesting situation. You'd think Freo would want more than pick 15ish and Mcgregor/Hentschel. I'd be thinking they would want at the very least a top 10 pick and a player. Who would you trade to get that player. Would it be worth doing these multiple trades to get Pavlich to the Crows? Would Freo price him out of the market? Does he even want to come home?

 

[Stiffy_18]

And on this farm, what are we going to offer the Barry Crocker’s (the Shockers) for Mathew Pavlich?

After reading Stiffy_18 and Crows_Mo assessment on the situation they would want to give the first and possibly the second round draft pick to gain his service but is that simply going to be enough. Are we going to need to add any players? If so who?

Who would Fremantle want that we have and we are also willing to part with for Mathew Pavlich?

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

Is anyone player worth that much? Because that is what I would expect the Fremantle would be asking in a trade for Mathew Pavlich.

He will be worth a fair bit more than you are proposing. Since our draft picks aren't great, then we would have to part with at least our 1st and 2nd rounder and a good player. I am all for that as long as we can get him.

 

[Stiffy_18]

Interesting situation. You'd think Freo would want more than pick 15ish and Mcgregor/Hentschel. I'd be thinking they would want at the very least a top 10 pick and a player. Who would you trade to get that player. Would it be worth doing these multiple trades to get Pavlich to the Crows? Would Freo price him out of the market? Does he even want to come home?

All valid questions no doubt.

If Pav wants to come home (and we are yet to hear it from the horse's mouth) then he will be a pricey recruit no doubt so our first pick and a good player just ain't gonna cut it.

I think Pavlich would easily be worth a top 10 pick and a good player and I would be prepared to part with that. He is a gun, and a missing piece to a puzzle so to speak. Just imagine a forward line with Pavlich, Roo Welsh and one of Hentschel or McGregor. Thats pretty potent if you ask me.

We have some good youngsters coming through the system that have the potential to develop into gun players. That coupled with our ability to find decent players later in the draft and through rookie list and I am comfortable with trading away picks especially in a draft where they would have such a high value.

 

[Alex99]

He will be worth a fair bit more than you are proposing. Since our draft picks aren't great, then we would have to part with at least our 1st and 2nd rounder and a good player. I am all for that as long as we can get him.

I am sorry Stiffy_18 but potentially 3 quality player for Mathew Pavlich? No way in living hell would that be in the AFC best interest. He may be good enough to demand that sort of payment but we should simply say thank you Fremantle but we will not be participating in that trade, we have gone down that road before and been burnt. It still makes me irate to see Daniel wells playing for North Melbourne because we wanted Wayne Carey. We gave up a top 2 pick for a player who lasted 28 games.

Like most I would like to see the Adelaide Football club have a dynasty of premierships but giving away 3 quality players for a 25 year old with bas shoulders is not going to be worth it. If we can get Mathew Pavlich with out breaking the bank then that’s all well and good but if we have to mortgage the farm to get him then I am not interested.

BTW – 3 more quality player would almost tip Fremantle over the line for a premiership in 2 or 3 year time, and that is still our time to win.

 

[Alex99]

All valid questions no doubt.

If Pav wants to come home (and we are yet to hear it from the horse's mouth) then he will be a pricey recruit no doubt so our first pick and a good player just ain't gonna cut it.

I think Pavlich would easily be worth a top 10 pick and a good player and I would be prepared to part with that. He is a gun, and a missing piece to a puzzle so to speak. Just imagine a forward line with Pavlich, Roo Welsh and one of Hentschel or McGregor. Thats pretty potent if you ask me.
We have some good youngsters coming through the system that have the potential to develop into gun players. That coupled with our ability to find decent players later in the draft and through rookie list and I am comfortable with trading away picks especially in a draft where they would have such a high value.

The majority of posters respect your option on the majority of Adelaide Crows related subjects Stiffy so how about you put together a trade package that you would expect Fremantle to accept.

A first round draft pick (that’s a given) and considering it would be a top 10 if not top 5 pick (that we do not have) how would we get one? And what player or players would you be willing to part with?

All I would be willing to part with is:

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

And that is not going to be good enough so I would not participate, you seem keen so what would you give up to gain this missing piece of the forward puzzle.

 

[Markthirtytwo]

And on this farm, what are we going to offer the Barry Crocker’s (the Shockers) for Mathew Pavlich?

After reading Stiffy_18 and Crows_Mo assessment on the situation they would want to give the first and possibly the second round draft pick to gain his service but is that simply going to be enough. Are we going to need to add any players? If so who?

Who would Fremantle want that we have and we are also willing to part with for Mathew Pavlich?

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

Is anyone player worth that much? Because that is what I would expect the Fremantle would be asking in a trade for Mathew Pavlich.

All of the above.

 

[crowsarethebest]

The majority of posters respect your option on the majority of Adelaide Crows related subjects Stiffy so how about you put together a trade package that you would expect Fremantle to accept.

A first round draft pick (that’s a given) and considering it would be a top 10 if not top 5 pick (that we do not have) how would we get one? And what player or players would you be willing to part with?

All I would be willing to part with is:

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

And that is not going to be good enough so I would not participate, you seem keen so what would you give up to gain this missing piece of the forward puzzle.

They'd want a tonne more than that. They'd want at least 2 1st round draft picks with one in the top 10. In my opinion I would want to keep my draft picks instead of getting Pavlich. I doubt Pavlich would ask to be traded this year.

 

[Stiffy_18]

I am sorry Stiffy_18 but potentially 3 quality player for Mathew Pavlich? No way in living hell would that be in the AFC best interest. He may be good enough to demand that sort of payment but we should simply say thank you Fremantle but we will not be participating in that trade, we have gone down that road before and been burnt. It still makes me irate to see Daniel wells playing for North Melbourne because we wanted Wayne Carey. We gave up a top 2 pick for a player who lasted 28 games.

Like most I would like to see the Adelaide Football club have a dynasty of premierships but giving away 3 quality players for a 25 year old with bas shoulders is not going to be worth it. If we can get Mathew Pavlich with out breaking the bank then that’s all well and good but if we have to mortgage the farm to get him then I am not interested.

BTW – 3 more quality player would almost tip Fremantle over the line for a premiership in 2 or 3 year time, and that is still our time to win.

I am sure you thought the same thing about Jarman trade.

If you want a gun, then you sure as hell have to pay for it. I would be comfortable with our first 2 picks and a player to Freo for Pavlich.

Remember quality is much more important that quantity. You say we give up 3 quality players for a gun. Can you bet your life on the fact that those 2 pick will turn into quality players???? Of course you can't. You are making a guess, not an accurate assesment.

 

[Stiffy_18]

The majority of posters respect your option on the majority of Adelaide Crows related subjects Stiffy so how about you put together a trade package that you would expect Fremantle to accept.

A first round draft pick (that’s a given) and considering it would be a top 10 if not top 5 pick (that we do not have) how would we get one? And what player or players would you be willing to part with?

All I would be willing to part with is:

Pick 13 – 16 and Ken McGregor for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 13 – 16 and Trent Hentschel for Mathew Pavlich?
Pick 26 – 32 (Second round) and Brett Burton for Mathew Pavlich?

And that is not going to be good enough so I would not participate, you seem keen so what would you give up to gain this missing piece of the forward puzzle.

I am not sure but I would be willing to give up our first 2 picks and a quality player not named Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Mark Ricciuto, Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin and Andrew McLeod. Everyone else is a fair game

 

[crowsarethebest]

I am not sure but I would be willing to give up our first 2 picks and a quality player not named Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Mark Ricciuto, Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin and Andrew McLeod. Everyone else is a fair game

I would rather take a risk and draft 2 solid players/guns and keep the player than get Pavlich. Pavlich would be great but I would like some early picks in this years draft.

 

[Alex99]

I am sure you thought the same thing about Jarman trade.

Bit different because all we gave up was Sean Wellman (granted he was a very good player) but it was one of one

If you want a gun, then you sure as hell have to pay for it. I would be comfortable with our first 2 picks and a player to Freo for Pavlich.

If push came to shove and Fremantle were willing to trade Mathew Pavlich for our first 2 draft picks (15 and 31) and Brent Reilly or someone of his elk (for a Victorian player to go west) I guess I would be happy with that to acquire Mathew Pavlich.

However I highly doubt that they would be willing to accept anything less than 2 first round picks and a player of quality and a top 5 pick, well that would almost be impossible to obtain this year.

Remember quality is much more important that quantity. You say we give up 3 quality players for a gun. Can you bet your life on the fact that those 2 pick will turn into quality players???? Of course you can't. You are making a guess, not an accurate assesment.

Possession is 9/10th of the law and Fremantle have Mathew Pavlich, we have to meet there demands to gain his service, and that’s not going to be easy. So it’s best to play it safe with your own draft picks than attempt the impossible, even if the gain is well worth it.

 

[just maybe]

I am not sure but I would be willing to give up our first 2 picks and a quality player not named Ben Rutten, Graham Johncock, Mark Ricciuto, Tyson Edwards, Simon Goodwin and Andrew McLeod. Everyone else is a fair game

Why is it a good season to trade our draft picks? This is supposed to be the super draft!

 

[maccas_no1]

Our 1st Rnd pick, Van Berlo and Perrie