krakouer

[evo]

We'll agree to disagree. I think Krak is handy around the stoppages and a good tackler despite his lack of bulk.

If you have the stats handy I wouldn't mind seeing how many clearances he's had so far.It doesn't seem like many to the naked eye.

Saying that Krakouer is doing OK isn't the same as annointing him the chosen one. I just think we should acknowledge that he is player 15-20 so far this season. In other words OK.

I'd have him at about 22 but I won't quibble.There's not alot putting pressure on him so far-it' only 2nd round though and we've had some injuries.If he has another game of 5 or 6 possesions,no goals and 3 tackles it's got to be just about time to try someone else.Jake King,JON,White-Edwards wasn't bad last week.

Ideally we'd get him out of the team and find a replacement. But right now I'd be playing Meyer in the Coburg reserves. Time for him to prove he has some heart and drive - not just a nice kicking action when other people walk over to him, hand him the ball, tustle his hair and say "there you go young fella, noticed you couldn't get a kick with all the bullies around, have one on me".

Look,I agree.Meyer needs to be read the riot act.I was pleased when we recruited him.We have a dearth of players with real kicking quality and he gives the odd glimpse(like the 2 nice goals he kicked in the Melbourne practise match) but if he doesn't pull his finger out soon an opportunity to have career in AFL footy may pass him by.

 

[roostertalk]

This sort of mindset always gives me a giggle

Kane Pettifer had had 4 "very ordinary years" and was perilously close to oblivion before his big breakout year last year ... and i would not even credit it as a full year . Was a very tired boy come round 16 and tailed off noticably .

For years and friggin years we have seen a player play one good saeson and all of a sudden they are "lynchpins" ... this is the problem with our football club at its very core and supporters like you are the ones who perpetuate it .

Steven Jurica had a blinder in 95 ... all of a sudden he was the next lockett and we treated him like it ... what happened to his workrate after that ?... Shane Tuck is currently heading in the same direction .

It takes sustained high performance over a much longer period before anyone should be considered with such reverence .. but we don`t do that do we . I still hear people falling over themselves to tell you good Schulz is going to be coz he kicked 5 on Mal Michael one night ... LMAO ... We slap them on the back after a handfull of "solid" performances and wrap them up on lucrative long term contracts so they can prioritize footy at about 8th in thier lives behind thier restaurants , bars and clothing labels that they can now invest in and kick back

What you fail to acknowledge Rooster is that Kane Pettifer has spent about 10% of tenure at Richmond actually doing something considered useful onfield... but go on... you pump his tyres up ... just what that boy needs is a good ego boost from all reports

agree with plenty of what you're saying IDGAF but we're not discussing the kayne pettifer of old here, and i think you're selling his efforts from last year a little short. If schulz presented half the times pettifer did he could be on the way to a tonne, he is vital to our setup and forward structure. Maybe I got a tad excited and i acknowledge he still has a long way to go but for that pleb to suggest "pettrified" shouldn't be in the side is ludicrous.

FWIW he really hasn't been that shabby this year of the three praccy matches i watched he was in our best and he was one of the few shining lights against Carlton. Probably went missing a little last week but unfortunately the tiges dont yet have the luxury of a mr consistency in the line up.

You are dead right though with the early contract calls on the back of a handful of performances, couldnt agree more. Unfortunately i think its bought about as a result of the fact so many of our players would play much better football at another club. David Rodan and Fiora will show us that this year and they were bottom of the rung, imagine what a schulz or Pettifer could do somewhere with a winning culture.

 

[IDGAF]

agree with plenty of what you're saying IDGAF but we're not discussing the kayne pettifer of old here.

I agree with you rooster , for a good two thirds of last year he was fantastic . He ran the lines off half back harder and better than anyone in our side and provided a great target up front , but don`t slap him on the back and acknowledge his greatness just yet .

2-3-4 years of that sort of footy and i will say "Yep Kayne , you proved us all wrong and you have turned out to be a great Richmond man " ... but until then i will reserve the tag "lynchpin" until he proves his longevity ... because right now , there are still question marks .

It needs to be said as well that I am not knocking his form this year either , i don`t think you can start to judge true form until 6-8 weeks into a season

Not sure about the "Pettifer-winning culture" comment though Rooster ... I think Kaynes Problems have stemmed from being taken very early in the draft and thinking he had made it already without ever doing the hard yards .. i think that is pretty well documented ... A Sheedy or Matthews getting more ouf him ? hypothetical we will never know , but knowing those blokes they probably would have

 

[PLSC]

whats the bet he kills it tonight and kicks 3 and we sign him up for another 4 years during the week

 

[roostertalk]

whats the bet he kills it tonight and kicks 3 and we sign him up for another 4 years during the week

would have more merit then signing up schulz for three because of a game played two years ago. It is a hard one though,unfortunately players seem to blossom when they leave and go to sh1t when they arrive at the tigers, i reckon other clubs probably acknowledge this and would be ready to snaffle up the pettifers ect if the tiges played hard ball with contracts. It seems at the tiges the player is on the front foot more so then the club in contract negotiations.stinks really.

 

[PLSC]

would have more merit then signing up schulz for three because of a game played two years ago. It is a hard one though,unfortunately players seem to blossom when they leave and go to sh1t when they arrive at the tigers, i reckon other clubs probably acknowledge this and would be ready to snaffle up the pettifers ect if the tiges played hard ball with contracts. It seems at the tiges the player is on the front foot more so then the club in contract negotiations.stinks really.

krakouer is treated like a baby and plays like one

im serious he will kick a few over the next few weeks and miller will say he is in "the age bracket" that we need and he is stepping into his prime lol

what a joke

 

[roostertalk]

I must admit i wouldn't have too many issues with signing on Pettifer at the right price. In regard to what IDGAF said about his ego i don't think its necessarily a bad thing and detrimental to his game, i think the more arrogant blokes are the ones less likely to become complacent. They might place individual glory up there higher then it should be but i don't think a bloke like him would be happy to slip away to an insignificant player because he was getting paid well.

 

[emperor]

I must admit i wouldn't have too many issues with signing on Pettifer at the right price. In regard to what IDGAF said about his ego i don't think its necessarily a bad thing and detrimental to his game, i think the more arrogant blokes are the ones less likely to become complacent. They might place individual glory up there higher then it should be but i don't think a bloke like him would be happy to slip away to an insignificant player because he was getting paid well.

On the flipside, arrogance can also breed complacency. If you think you are god's gift to whatever, chances are you could start to believe you don't need to do the hard work as well.

I'm not referring to Petts here BTW

 

[Crumden]

Since the beginning of 2003 Krak is second overall to Richo on our goalkicking list and has been in our top 4 goalkickers each of those years. Sure, we'd all love him to up his ratio to 1.5-2 goals per game so that he gets 30-40 a season, instead of his current goal per game. But we haven't had too many others putting their hand up to take his place kicking goals.

The argument that he is blocking someone else's opportunities is crap. Last year we had 39 players get games and it hasn't been hard for anyone who shows the slightest bit of form at Coburg to get in the side. Rodan got nearly 50 games on end with Krakouer in the side and similar opportunities are there for anyone else who shows the smallest signs.

 

[IDGAF]

Since the beginning of 2003 Krak is second overall to Richo on our goalkicking list and has been in our top 4 goalkickers each of those years. Sure, we'd all love him to up his ratio to 1.5-2 goals per game so that he gets 30-40 a season, instead of his current goal per game. But we haven't had too many others putting their hand up to take his place kicking goals.

No we haven`t , but sorry Crum .. that is more of an indictment on the rest of our list than a complement to AK . Becoming a very ordinary indictment on the likes of Danny Meyer that he cannot usurp him

Factor that in with our on field results and it is a very damning stat ...

Krak is an easy target to the punt rd. faithfull at the minute but the sorry fact is it is well earned .

 

[IDGAF]

I must admit i wouldn't have too many issues with signing on Pettifer at the right price. In regard to what IDGAF said about his ego i don't think its necessarily a bad thing and detrimental to his game, i think the more arrogant blokes are the ones less likely to become complacent. They might place individual glory up there higher then it should be but i don't think a bloke like him would be happy to slip away to an insignificant player because he was getting paid well.

Ego is not necessarily a bad thing but misplaced arrogance is

There is Wayne Carey/Dermott Brereton type arrogence which is well earned and justified .... but Petts deeds on field do not warrant any arrogence just yet , far from it ... he needs a little humility after such a long period of under-performing .

 

[Crumden]

Point I was getting at though ID, is that blokes like santa claws and plsc think that all we have to do is get rid of krak and a goalkicking small forward is just going to materialise out of thin air. If the bar is low, it shouldn't be too hard for anyone half talented to replace him but so far no-one has, and not through lack of opportunities.

 

[IDGAF]

Point I was getting at though ID, is that blokes like santa claws and plsc think that all we have to do is get rid of krak and a goalkicking small forward is just going to materialise out of thin air. If the bar is low, it shouldn't be too hard for anyone half talented to replace him but so far no-one has, and not through lack of opportunities.

i think we are dancing around the same theory ... hence the meyer example

 

[PLSC]

whats the bet he kills it tonight and kicks 3 and we sign him up for another 4 years during the week

yep got the first bit right now lets just wait for the announcement

lol at kneeing the footy from 1 metre out what a loser