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ChappyUK said:
Do you have a link to this story?
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On the evening of 26 February 2012, Trayvon Martin was on his way home from a 7/11 convenience store with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. It was raining, he had his hoodie on, and he was listening to music and talking on the phone as he returned to the house where he was staying with his father and his father’s girlfriend. (Fulton and Martin divorced when their children were young but continued to bring up their boys together.) He was followed, shot and killed by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. The details of the case, now infamous five years on, remain deeply shocking. The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon against the advice of the police. That he was recorded on tape saying, “****ing punks. These assholes always get away”, yet claimed he acted in self-defence, invoking the stand-your-ground law that is currently enacted in 22 states. The fact that Trayvon’s body was immediately subjected to a drug and alcohol test, but Zimmerman was not. The fact that it took 44 days for an arrest to take place and then only as a result of a national media campaign. The fact that during the trial the prosecution was ordered to refrain from using the term “racial profiling”. And the fact that, in July 2013, Zimmerman was found (by a jury of six women, five of whom were white) not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter.
 

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Is it possible now that rabble rousing, property destruction, arson, assault, battery and culpable homicide will be less now during protests? Is it possible now that state police forces will be empowered to keep order at protests?
 
Satan said:
On the evening of 26 February 2012, Trayvon Martin was on his way home from a 7/11 convenience store with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. It was raining, he had his hoodie on, and he was listening to music and talking on the phone as he returned to the house where he was staying with his father and his father’s girlfriend. (Fulton and Martin divorced when their children were young but continued to bring up their boys together.) He was followed, shot and killed by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. The details of the case, now infamous five years on, remain deeply shocking. The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon against the advice of the police. That he was recorded on tape saying, “******* punks. These assholes always get away”, yet claimed he acted in self-defence, invoking the stand-your-ground law that is currently enacted in 22 states. The fact that Trayvon’s body was immediately subjected to a drug and alcohol test, but Zimmerman was not. The fact that it took 44 days for an arrest to take place and then only as a result of a national media campaign. The fact that during the trial the prosecution was ordered to refrain from using the term “racial profiling”. And the fact that, in July 2013, Zimmerman was found (by a jury of six women, five of whom were white) not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter.
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Black with Skittles. Blown away.

US legal system - "no biggie".

The country is ****ed.
 
Shocking. But can't see the relevance to this case.
 
ChappyUK said:
And your thoughts on Grosskreutz whose weapon was concealled illegally.


Shhh! That doesn't fit the narrative but tbh nominations weren't as activist/tribal when he was nominated as they are now.
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Indeed, the judge was chosen because he would be a good judge, bipartisan acceptance. It was fascinating watching the trial. It is also good folk can watch it, there is no good excuse now for getting the details wrong about what happened. It also makes the jury decision more understandable to the broader community. I wonder though what behaviour a televised trial changes - relating to the Judge, was he more chatty for the cameras, were his admonishments of the prosecutor camera aware? I noticed at one point he cut himself short when having a crack at Bingham. I also was not impressed with his articulateness, his umming and uhhing and stop start speech patterns. But as long as he protects the integrity of the law it probably doesn't matter. The pros of a televised trial comprehensively outweigh the cons.

There are 2 questions I have - who was the state witness that never turned up and remained in anononimity during the trial, and is not sequestering the jury the norm rather than the exception?
 
Osho said:
Indeed, the judge was chosen because he would be a good judge, bipartisan acceptance. It was fascinating watching the trial. It is also good folk can watch it, there is no good excuse now for getting the details wrong about what happened. It also makes the jury decision more understandable to the broader community. I wonder though what behaviour a televised trial changes - relating to the Judge, was he more chatty for the cameras, were his admonishments of the prosecutor camera aware? I noticed at one point he cut himself short when having a crack at Bingham. I also was not impressed with his articulateness, his umming and uhhing and stop start speech patterns. But as long as he protects the integrity of the law it probably doesn't matter. The pros of a televised trial comprehensively outweigh the cons.

There are 2 questions I have - who was the state witness that never turned up and remained in anononimity during the trial, and is not sequestering the jury the norm rather than the exception?
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I would think the warts and all trial with all the umm and arrghs is what makes it believable.

A scripted and hyperbolic judge would raise more flags imo.
 

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This decision is the right decision based on the laws in the US. The issues here are:

- the right to defend oneself with reasonable force (this is the same as Oz and I hate to say it but this was a riot not a protest, thus a grey area if the force was reasonable)
- whether it was appropriate to attend the protest (well under the concepts of a well trained militia, this is exactly what the gun laws are about.......being lawfully allowed to engage against a threat to law and order)
- the right to bear arms

However, does anyone want to live in a society which allows anyone, especially half wit kids and or extremists, to do what has been done here? Sure in 1850 in the wild west its fine but surely a well funded police, national guard and emergency military powers would be more appropriate in 2021.
 
Jafa said:
And - get this. Zimmerman wasn't even white. Upside down world!
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If Zimmerman was white, he was an absolute certainty to get off. No argument there.
 
Power Raid said:
However, does anyone want to live in a society which allows anyone, especially half wit kids and or extremists, to do what has been done here? Sure in 1850 in the wild west its fine but surely a well funded police, national guard and emergency military powers would be more appropriate in 2021.
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Interesting that you mention the Wild West, the USA really hasn't moved past that mentality.

Vigilantism is just one of a number of USA's failings that this situation has highlighted.
 
sherb said:
Interesting that you mention the Wild West, the USA really hasn't moved past that mentality.

Vigilantism is just one of a number of USA's failings that this situation has highlighted.
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Guessing it was a major issue for you before this case.

I'm glad it has finally shone a spotlight on your crusade.
 
ChappyUK said:
Shocking. But can't see the relevance to this case.
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Zimmerman was also playing wannabe cop (with gun)
Zimmerman also pled self-defence
Zimmerman also got off
 

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Satan said:
On the evening of 26 February 2012, Trayvon Martin was on his way home from a 7/11 convenience store with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. It was raining, he had his hoodie on, and he was listening to music and talking on the phone as he returned to the house where he was staying with his father and his father’s girlfriend. (Fulton and Martin divorced when their children were young but continued to bring up their boys together.) He was followed, shot and killed by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. The details of the case, now infamous five years on, remain deeply shocking. The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon against the advice of the police. That he was recorded on tape saying, “******* punks. These assholes always get away”, yet claimed he acted in self-defence, invoking the stand-your-ground law that is currently enacted in 22 states. The fact that Trayvon’s body was immediately subjected to a drug and alcohol test, but Zimmerman was not. The fact that it took 44 days for an arrest to take place and then only as a result of a national media campaign. The fact that during the trial the prosecution was ordered to refrain from using the term “racial profiling”. And the fact that, in July 2013, Zimmerman was found (by a jury of six women, five of whom were white) not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter.
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I remember this story. The President famously said that if he had had a son he would have looked like Trayvon. It was or seemed to be an obvious case of the law breaking down and being dysfunctional. However, is it that black and white? Two links below which contest the MSM narratives. Plus mention of Loury and McWhorter, prominent black left leaning academics, who often are the bane of the reactionary left, add some perpective and a willingness to question the narrative.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...rayvon-martin-nbc-news-column-rieder/2516251/

www.chicagotribune.com

Column: Here’s why, eight years later, the Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman story won’t go away

The Trayvon Martin/George Zimmerman story will never die down until we face the truth that the killing was a tragedy, but not an outrage.
www.chicagotribune.com www.chicagotribune.com
 
ChappyUK said:
Guessing it was a major issue for you before this case.

I'm glad it has finally shone a spotlight on your crusade.
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It was and it has.
 
Power Raid said:
This decision is the right decision based on the laws in the US. The issues here are:

- the right to defend oneself with reasonable force (this is the same as Oz and I hate to say it but this was a riot not a protest, thus a grey area if the force was reasonable)
- whether it was appropriate to attend the protest (well under the concepts of a well trained militia, this is exactly what the gun laws are about.......being lawfully allowed to engage against a threat to law and order)
- the right to bear arms

However, does anyone want to live in a society which allows anyone, especially half wit kids and or extremists, to do what has been done here? Sure in 1850 in the wild west its fine but surely a well funded police, national guard and emergency military powers would be more appropriate in 2021.
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It would be but the police stood down and the offer of National Guard support was rejected.

When law and order fails something will fill the void and it's never preferred over law and order.
 
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Satan said:
On the evening of 26 February 2012, Trayvon Martin was on his way home from a 7/11 convenience store with a can of iced tea and a bag of Skittles. It was raining, he had his hoodie on, and he was listening to music and talking on the phone as he returned to the house where he was staying with his father and his father’s girlfriend. (Fulton and Martin divorced when their children were young but continued to bring up their boys together.) He was followed, shot and killed by 28-year-old George Zimmerman. The details of the case, now infamous five years on, remain deeply shocking. The fact that Zimmerman followed Trayvon against the advice of the police. That he was recorded on tape saying, “******* punks. These assholes always get away”, yet claimed he acted in self-defence, invoking the stand-your-ground law that is currently enacted in 22 states. The fact that Trayvon’s body was immediately subjected to a drug and alcohol test, but Zimmerman was not. The fact that it took 44 days for an arrest to take place and then only as a result of a national media campaign. The fact that during the trial the prosecution was ordered to refrain from using the term “racial profiling”. And the fact that, in July 2013, Zimmerman was found (by a jury of six women, five of whom were white) not guilty of second-degree murder or manslaughter.
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Interesting that this account makes no mention of the altercation that ultimately ended with Zimmerman (the neighbourhood watch guy) shooting Martin. Again this was a very complicated case. I won't pretend to know all that much about it so I won't comment on the verdict. It does seem pretty poor that more of an investigation should have been made prior to releasing Zimmerman. I just find it interesting in these reports you just quoted (I think) there is no mention of the final moments or any context.
 

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