Random Kyrgios, Warner, etc etc

[LuckyHawk]

Exhausted after watching Kyrgios. By Christ he's a nut case but very entertaining.

 

[burger09]

Call me un Australian if you like, but I was cheering hard for Seppi.

 

[Xtreme]

Call me un Australian if you like, but I was cheering hard for Seppi.

Seppi should win Australian of the year for knocking Nick out of the tournament

 

[LuckyHawk]

Seppi should win Australian of the year for knocking Nick out of the tournament

Kyrgios should win AOTY for knocking himself out of the tournament!

 

[Xtreme]

Kyrgios should win AOTY for knocking himself out of the tournament!

Should be king of Moomba because he is a clown.

 

[Billyc]

And yet, whether you wanted him to win or lose, you were all watching him because he is unbelievably entertaining. He's the best thing in a sport of boring robots. Tournaments take a boring turn as soon as he is eliminated.

 

[Gralin]

It's like the herald sun front page in here with all the kyrgios bashing sheesh

 

[OzJohnnie]

I didn't watch the match. What did he do besides blow a big lead? Temper tantrum?

 

[Xtreme]

It's like the herald sun front page in here with all the kyrgios bashing sheesh

Can turn it into a Robbo piece by sharing some positive Essendon news

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Yet again most of those who rail against groupthink and demand freedom of speech and expression no matter what, who despise 'political correctness' - these are all the first people lining up to smash Nick Kyrgios because he doesn't fit into the archetype of what an Aussie athlete *should* act like. I don't defend everything he does - he can be a bit of a dick. However, I like that he's his own person. At the end of the day he's not like the copious amount of footballers who are adored despite doing absolutely abhorrent things off-field. Like Blake Ferguson in the NRL who still plays for NSW and Australia despite being found guilty of indecent assault. Top role model!

He's a kid (and say what you like - in this day and age 21 is still an adolescent) who is heavily scrutinised and has the expectations of the Australian media machine that is unforgiving in cutting down tall poppies. The press and the sporting public went after Hewitt for years and it was only in his last few years that he seemed to have the press off his back and retired a hero. I also saw Hewitt tank sets when he was getting behind because it was a tactic to conserve energy and start afresh in the next set. Kyrgios did that last night and got booed and smashed in the press, yet when I saw Hewitt do it the commentators mentioned it was a valid strategy. People critiqued his between the leg shot when it was tight in the 5th set. He won the bloody point! He lost a 5 set match 10-8 in the fifth, if that was Leyton the press would be admiring what a 'battler' he was. I saw people saying online today 'oh that last ace he didn't even try to return it' - Christ, a good deal of aces you won't see a player go after it because they know they haven't got a chance. I don't defend everything he does - but the double standards he cops is a bit bloody much.

Also love John McEnroe saying he was a 'black eye' on the game last night. This is the same guy that got disqualified in the 1990 Aus Open for intimidating a female line judge, swearing at the umpire, smashing his racquet and then swearing at the match referee. He's not exactly speaking from the moral high ground.

 

[LuckyHawk]

I didn't watch the match. What did he do besides blow a big lead? Temper tantrum?

He threw a basically controlled tantrum which lasted the last 2 1/2 sets. Looked like he wasn't happy with his trainer and he appeared sore. He made a late attempt to save the match and even had a match point. Seppi is a very good player but Kyrgios should have won but he's crazy. It's like a petulant child trapped in a man's body but he's only hurting his own career atm and no one else.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

He threw a basically controlled tantrum which lasted the last 2 1/2 sets. Looked like he wasn't happy with his trainer and he appeared sore. He made a late attempt to save the match and even had a match point. Seppi is a very good player but Kyrgios should have won but he's crazy. It's like a petulant child trapped in a man's body but he's only hurting his own career atm and no one else.

And that's the funny thing - McEnroe and Connor abusing umpires and officials is seen as funny and legendary now - Kyrgios is only ever hurting himself and his only ranting is maybe directed at his team. I've not seen him go after match officials before. Maybe if he started berating the chair umpires and line judges like McEnroe and Hewitt have done then the Aussie crowds will get behind him.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Kyrgios is supremely talented, but has the mental capacity of a 3yr old. Unfortunately, that's his biggest problem and the one thing holding him back. Cruising in the third, he starts carrying on to his supporter box and swearing audibly (which is why he copped the first misconduct from the ump). From that moment, he completely lost the plot and pretty much sulked it up for 2 sets until in the 5th he decided to have a crack and actually had the chance to win, holding a match point.

If he could of just held together his frustrations and soreness for a few more games in the 3rd, he most likely wins the match. Gets a chance to rest and re-group and go again. Instead he loses in 5 and he's out of the Aus Open.

If he can get his head right, he could be anything, but I guess on maturity is likely to do that for him. He's talking about getting a coach, but not sure he's ready for someone to actually tell him exactly like it is

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Also love John McEnroe saying he was a 'black eye' on the game last night. This is the same guy that got disqualified in the 1990 Aus Open for intimidating a female line judge, swearing at the umpire, smashing his racquet and then swearing at the match referee. He's not exactly speaking from the moral high ground.

McEnroe used to carry on like a d#$k, no doubt, as does young Nick, but I doubt you'll find this is why McEnroe is saying his performance is a 'black eye' ont he sport. For all McEnroe's faults as a player, he never ever gave up. Kyrgios does regularly. He sulked massively last night, costing himself the win. Hewitt, Connors, McEnroe et al, could be complete knobs, but never gave up in matches

 

[LuckyHawk]

And that's the funny thing - McEnroe and Connor abusing umpires and officials is seen as funny and legendary now - Kyrgios is only ever hurting himself and his only ranting is maybe directed at his team. I've not seen him go after match officials before. Maybe if he started berating the chair umpires and line judges like McEnroe and Hewitt have done then the Aussie crowds will get behind him.

McEnroe only berated the officials when his match was close or felt he was losing his ascendancy. It was a form of cheating as his opponent's momentum was often stalled or stopped altogether while his verballing tactic went on and on. He has no right to comment on Kyrgios like that.

 

[kirbatron]

The through the legs bullshit would get passed off as cheeky & not disrespectful if in fact he played with heart & improved his attitude.

I wanted him to win but he really needs to stop being a flog.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

McEnroe used to carry on like a d#$k, no doubt, as does young Nick, but I doubt you'll find this is why McEnroe is saying his performance is a 'black eye' ont he sport. For all McEnroe's faults as a player, he never ever gave up. Kyrgios does regularly. He sulked massively last night, costing himself the win. Hewitt, Connors, McEnroe et al, could be complete knobs, but never gave up in matches

Giving up - sure I will take that on board. As I mentioned before though - Hewitt has tanked sets in the past when behind because he was preserving himself for the next set. I don't doubt that Nick had a capitulation in that third set and it carried into the fourth. However, he fought bloody hard in the 5th set and was still trying to win the game. Again I feel because he is everyone's favourite target what was a 'tactic' when Hewitt was playing in his 'battling' 5 setters has now become tanking when Kyrgios does it. Granted his sulking adds a different dimension - I just sympathise with him slightly in that he's a media target and there is seldom he can do right.

Even when he won on Monday, people focused on his 'shhh' gesture which was a tiny little thing he did to his coaches box and is something numerous soccer players do after scoring a goal. It wasn't anything worth criticising - but people leapt on him about it.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

The through the legs bullshit would get passed off as cheeky & not disrespectful if in fact he played with heart & improved his attitude.

I wanted him to win but he really needs to stop being a flog.

But he did play with heart in that 5th set - it was 10-8. You don't lose a fifth set 10-8 if you weren't trying. The through the legs shot was cheeky as hell - but he won that point. It's a bit like how he goes for it hard on second serves - people see it as not trying but to me it is absolutely ballsy and something he does throughout his game.

 

[TBoyleSuperstar]

Giving up - sure I will take that on board. As I mentioned before though - Hewitt has tanked sets in the past when behind because he was preserving himself for the next set. I don't doubt that Nick had a capitulation in that third set and it carried into the fourth. However, he fought bloody hard in the 5th set and was still trying to win the game. Again I feel because he is everyone's favourite target what was a 'tactic' when Hewitt was playing in his 'battling' 5 setters has now become tanking when Kyrgios does it. Granted his sulking adds a different dimension - I just sympathise with him slightly in that he's a media target and there is seldom he can do right.

Even when he won on Monday, people focused on his 'shhh' gesture which was a tiny little thing he did to his coaches box and is something numerous soccer players do after scoring a goal. It wasn't anything worth criticising - but people leapt on him about it.

Firstly, I doubt Hewitt ever tanked a whole set.....ever. Might have dropped off at times late in sets when down by several games and instead focused on the the next, but not a whole set. Kyrgios basically stopped trying from midway through the 3rd till a few games into the 5th when the crowd starting trying to get him going. As soon as he started actually moving and trying to play, he started to get back some control.

I actually think Kyrgios is in an interesting situation. he's admitted to not really liking the sport, he played more basketball in the off season apparently, but he's good enough to earn a bloody good living from it. So whilst he'll trudge around, occasionally caring enough to make finals and win a few titles here and there, he'll never really commit to it enough to be the player he could be. It's not a bad situation for him really

 

[Davo23]

Firstly, I doubt Hewitt ever tanked a whole set.....ever. Might have dropped off at times late in sets when down by several games and instead focused on the the next, but not a whole set. Kyrgios basically stopped trying from midway through the 3rd till a few games into the 5th when the crowd starting trying to get him going. As soon as he started actually moving and trying to play, he started to get back some control.

I actually think Kyrgios is in an interesting situation. he's admitted to not really liking the sport, he played more basketball in the off season apparently, but he's good enough to earn a bloody good living from it. So whilst he'll trudge around, occasionally caring enough to make finals and win a few titles here and there, he'll never really commit to it enough to be the player he could be. It's not a bad situation for him really

Am I alone in thinking that Kyrgios is not that good?
He hits out, throws his racquet at everything, plays all his fancy, between-the-legs shots and looks great, but as soon as the pressure is on, he's in trouble, and makes excuses by losing his temper.

Kyrgios has not won anything of note, and the players who have beaten him recently have not been topliners.


Back on topic: North are perpetual losers...

 

[Ned Ryerson]

Am I alone in thinking that Kyrgios is not that good?
He hits out, throws his racquet at everything, plays all his fancy, between-the-legs shots and looks great, but as soon as the pressure is on, he's in trouble, and makes excuses by losing his temper.

Kyrgios has not won anything of note, and the players who have beaten him recently have not been topliners.


Back on topic: North are perpetual losers...

He admits he doesn't try that hard and barely trains, he's mentally not committed and he's still ranked in the top 20. To dispute his talent is silly - he has it in spades. McEnroe today said he's the most talented player on the circuit aged under 30.

 

[Davo23]

He admits he doesn't try that hard and barely trains, he's mentally not committed and he's still ranked in the top 20. To dispute his talent is silly - he has it in spades. McEnroe today said he's the most talented player on the circuit aged under 30.

But he says this only when he loses.

It's just a loser narrative.

 

[Ned Ryerson]

But he says this only when he loses.

It's just a loser narrative.

Again I'm not questioning his mental state - you were questioning if he was any good a talent. Most of the criticism of him is that he squanders his natural talent, not that he doesn't have any.

 

[Gold Member]

Am I alone in thinking that Kyrgios is not that good?
He hits out, throws his racquet at everything, plays all his fancy, between-the-legs shots and looks great, but as soon as the pressure is on, he's in trouble, and makes excuses by losing his temper.

Kyrgios has not won anything of note, and the players who have beaten him recently have not been topliners.


Back on topic: North are perpetual losers...

Am I alone in thinking that David Warner is not that good?
He hits out, throws his bat at everything, plays all his fancy, between-the-legs shots and looks great, but as soon as the pressure is on, he's in trouble, and makes excuses by saying that's just the way I play.

David Warner has not won anything of note, and the bowlers who have beaten him recently have not been topliners.


Back on topic: North are perpetual losers...

 

[Adelaide Hawk]

Am I alone in thinking that David Warner is not that good?

I'd say it places you in a small minority.