Lachie Whitfield

[Bokonon]

I dont know if they did.

But what I do know is that you cant trust a League, let alone the players club, to do these investigations.

And that includes trusting anyone they hired.

I disagree entirely
I reject the notion that WADA and by implication an affiliated body ASADA has any role in a national sport. They were set up specifically to ensure international sport was fair and drug free. I agree with that role.
A national professional sport needs to be the master of it's own destiny.
The issue I have with the whole Essendon saga is it allowed people with no stake in our game, and potentially an anti AFL agenda, a role. As such it is as open to corruption as the AFL investigating it's own game.The AFL hierachy will act in the interests of the AFL and that's the difference. Using an independent Senior Counsel as is objective as I can see an investigation can be.
You're entitled to you're opinion but it is just that, as is mine.

 

[IanW]

I disagree entirely
I reject the notion that WADA and by implication an affiliated body ASADA has any role in a national sport. They were set up specifically to ensure international sport was fair and drug free. I agree with that role.
A national professional sport needs to be the master of it's own destiny.
The issue I have with the whole Essendon saga is it allowed people with no stake in our game, and potentially an anti AFL agenda, a role. As such it is as open to corruption as the AFL investigating it's own game.The AFL hierachy will act in the interests of the AFL and that's the difference. Using an independent Senior Counsel as is objective as I can see an investigation can be.
You're entitled to you're opinion but it is just that, as is mine.

The issue I've got with that approach is that we've tried that approach, and in all cases, we have rampant drug****ing and dead players.

No, really. The MLB 'steroids era' and the modern NFL and NCAA are what you're looking at in those cases.

Regarding dead players, it's not hyperbole with the Dank case - Jon Mannah is dead, because a "sports scientist" gave him growth promotants to help him football better, that only a lunatic would think would mix with a pre-existing medical condition that Jon Mannah had.

Additionally, we all got lucky with CJC-1295, a drug that failed testing because one of the test participants died. Thats why it's got a serial number, not a name.

Now, we know CJC-1295 was being given by Dank to Cronulla players. There's no evidence at Essendon, becuase all the records mysteriously arent there.

I like footy players. I like them alive.

 

[coniglio_number1]

If Whitfield is indeed guilty of PEDS then I will support whatever punishment he receives but if he is guilty of taking a party drug outside of game day then I will expect the appropriate strike to be applied.

But I maintain that he is innocent until proven guilty

 

[Bokonon]

The issue I've got with that approach is that we've tried that approach, and in all cases, we have rampant drug******* and dead players.

No, really. The MLB 'steroids era' and the modern NFL and NCAA are what you're looking at in those cases.

Regarding dead players, it's not hyperbole with the Dank case - Jon Mannah is dead, because a "sports scientist" gave him growth promotants to help him football better, that only a lunatic would think would mix with a pre-existing medical condition that Jon Mannah had.

Additionally, we all got lucky with CJC-1295, a drug that failed testing because one of the test participants died. Thats why it's got a serial number, not a name.

Now, we know CJC-1295 was being given by Dank to Cronulla players. There's no evidence at Essendon, becuase all the records mysteriously arent there.

I like footy players. I like them alive.

I dont have an issue with ridding the sport of drugs, and agree the players health is the primary reason. Secondary is the fairness of the competition.
I also agree that our club has to confront risks openly to be successful.In that I think we think alike. It's.obvious you.care and I respect that, as do I.
Where we disgree is from what I have seen reported the club appears to have acted properly.

 

[Gigantor]

If Whitfield is indeed guilty of PEDS then I will support whatever punishment he receives but if he is guilty of taking a party drug outside of game day then I will expect the appropriate strike to be applied.

But I maintain that he is innocent until proven guilty

Why is anyone even discussing Whitfield and PEDS in the same breath?

Nothing has emerged regarding any PEDS connection.

And even this whole "avoiding testers" allegation sounds tenuous at the very, very best (as there were no testers wanting to test anyone on the day in question).

 

[Cmarsh]

Why is anyone even discussing Whitfield and PEDS in the same breath?

Nothing has emerged regarding any PEDS connection.

And even this whole "avoiding testers" allegation sounds tenuous at the very, very best (as there were no testers wanting to test anyone on the day in question).

And yet they seem to have no problem talking about a 2 to 4 year ban on the HTB!

 

[IanW]

And yet they seem to have no problem talking about a 2 to 4 year ban on the HTB!

Clenbuterol is WADA controlled and coke is often cut with it.

 

[Gigantor]

Clenbuterol is WADA controlled and coke is often cut with it.

Not only do we not know whether coke was consumed, there is no positive test floating around, actually, there were no testers floating around at the time.

Talk about a long, long, long bow....we are talking about speculation to the nth degree.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

This certainly matches up with how I heard that some of the text/emails had been faked by our brave whistle blower
But unfortunately not the case for all the messages

That evidence contains some highly incriminating text messages, strong circumstantial evidence and other records, although some of the text messages passed between Whitfield and his former girlfriend have been discredited by the investigators.

http://www.theage.com.au/afl/afl-ne...hie-whitfield-allegation-20160831-gr5wfe.html

 

[Drezdyn]

We needed a new Kim Duthrie, wonder when the pics will come out

Her 15 minutes of fame starts....... now.

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[OrangeDuck]

Was Whitfield scheduled to undergo a random drug test at the time he was with the Lamberts? (I'm not really following the case too much, just this stuck on mind)

 

[Gigantor]

Was Whitfield scheduled to undergo a random drug test at the time he was with the Lamberts? (I'm not really following the case too much, just this stuck on mind)

That's the unusual aspect about it, from what we know, none was scheduled (at least that was what was reported at the start).

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

Was Whitfield scheduled to undergo a random drug test at the time he was with the Lamberts? (I'm not really following the case too much, just this stuck on mind)

There is no coming back from actually avoiding an actual test.

There were no tests. He never avoided one.

 

[Gigantor]

What I'm hearing on SEN radio is a bigger concern across the league of support staff keeping players under the weather away from the club in case there is a test for illicit drugs (which is an AFL matter NOT a WADA matter).

It would not surprise me if the Integrity Unit took a keen interest in this case because of that broader concern.

Still, I really can't see what ASADA could do with it even if it did happen in this instance.

Also, we've heard about incriminating texts, but Caro is also reporting that some of the texts are clearly fake. If the whistle-blower is making up texts (given the relationship that had previously existed), to my way of thinking, you dismiss that outright, without a second thought (and it looks like the original QC did precisely that).

 

[ClockworkOrange]

Very, very unimpressed by the inflammatory comments about Lachie by the Swan's J Kennedy in the Fox Footy pre-interview at the AllAust tonight.

To be fair Hannebery was classy in the same interview, but Kennedy went straight to the gutter re Lachie.

You can only imagine the reaction from Kennedy if our Giants players repaid the favour by making personal attacks on Buddy on national TV.

Anyway, that's the way the Swans want it - no doubt our boys will let our play do the talking on field at ANZ Stadium next week.

 

[OrangeDuck]

Sledging doesn't win games. It's what you do on the field that counts.

 

[_GT_]

Very, very unimpressed by the inflammatory comments about Lachie by the Swan's J Kennedy in the Fox Footy pre-interview at the AllAust tonight.

To be fair Hannebery was classy in the same interview, but Kennedy went straight to the gutter re Lachie.

You can only imagine the reaction from Kennedy if our Giants players repaid the favour by making personal attacks on Buddy on national TV.

Anyway, that's the way the Swans want it - no doubt our boys will let our play do the talking on field at ANZ Stadium next week.

What did Josh say?

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

What did Josh say?

When asked if there'd be anything said to Lachie in the game he said that he'd be happy if some of his team mates sledged him. Certainly not out of bounds.

Hannebery was a bit better saying no, wouldn't think anything should be said.

And given they still have Talia on their list who was actually caught with actual drugs.....

 

[_GT_]

When asked if there'd be anything said to Lachie in the game he said that he'd be happy if some of his team mates sledged him. Certainly not out of bounds.

Hannebery was a bit better saying no, wouldn't think anything should be said.

And given they still have Talia on their list who was actually caught with actual drugs.....

All part of the extended build up then...

 

[Determinant]

When asked if there'd be anything said to Lachie in the game he said that he'd be happy if some of his team mates sledged him. Certainly not out of bounds.

Hannebery was a bit better saying no, wouldn't think anything should be said.

And given they still have Talia on their list who was actually caught with actual drugs.....

pretty sure Kennedy's other job isn't a rocket scientist tbh

 

[Ichabod Noodle]

All part of the extended build up then...

Yeah, maybe - I did think it was pretty classless, just the way he said it, and would have expected better from him, or any other player for that matter. Play it with a straight bat perhaps, but he went a fair way backwards n my opinion of him as a result of that little bit.

He's not at Sniper McVeigh type levels, but he'd now rank as my second most disliked swan.

 

[_GT_]

Yeah, maybe - I did think it was pretty classless, just the way he said it, and would have expected better from him, or any other player for that matter. Play it with a straight bat perhaps, but he went a fair way backwards n my opinion of him as a result of that little bit.

He's not at Sniper McVeigh type levels, but he'd now rank as my second most disliked swan.

Not excusing it, but does add to the build up. Agree, not a smart thing to say, but not appalling. Will get me boos on Saturday, as a matter of course.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Very, very unimpressed by the inflammatory comments about Lachie by the Swan's J Kennedy in the Fox Footy pre-interview at the AllAust tonight.

To be fair Hannebery was classy in the same interview, but Kennedy went straight to the gutter re Lachie.

You can only imagine the reaction from Kennedy if our Giants players repaid the favour by making personal attacks on Buddy on national TV.

Anyway, that's the way the Swans want it - no doubt our boys will let our play do the talking on field at ANZ Stadium next week.

I really wouldn't be too concerned if they try sledging our lad.

Jack and Franklin carry plenty of baggage and if things get ugly all bets are off.

The Swans have this insecurity about us which they generally respond with arrogance.

They see us coming and know deep down we have them very soon but are like a prize fighter trying to hold on to the title.

Should be a good battle.

 

[dlanod]

When asked if there'd be anything said to Lachie in the game he said that he'd be happy if some of his team mates sledged him. Certainly not out of bounds.

Hannebery was a bit better saying no, wouldn't think anything should be said.

And given they still have Talia on their list who was actually caught with actual drugs.....

I reckon plenty of our blokes have had a go at Buddy over the years on similar topics. Sledging is sledging. As long as JPK wasn't taking the moral high ground it's a bit of nothing.

 

[Bokonon]

Mcveigh might be a sniper and he has been a great player. But I honestly beleive he represents a real opportunity for us. Wherever he goes will be a defensive weakness, let him say what he likes.
Age has wearied him.