Lachlan Keeffe

[doppleganger]

People need to be more open to people changing roles under Buckley.

N.Brown...he may find it easier to play a role up forward.
Taz....he could play anywhere
Reid....AA FB, but he could be a M.Clark like follower (when he was actually good) and cause enormous amonts of damage.

Just because they played down back previously doesn't gaurantee them to remain in the same position in 2012.

 

[sr36]

People need to be more open to people changing roles under Buckley.

N.Brown...he may find it easier to play a role up forward.
Taz....he could play anywhere
Reid....AA FB, but he could be a M.Clark like follower (when he was actually good) and cause enormous amonts of damage.

Just because they played down back previously doesn't gaurantee them to remain in the same position in 2012.

I'd love to see Ben Reid have another crack at a forward role. I personally think that he can become a gun forward.

 

[4#Didak#4]

Keefe is still developing, but I certainly see a role for him in the side at some stage. Someone that big & athletic will be an asset. His best football so far has been in defense and was a bit puzzled why they didn't play him there when he went up to the seniors this year.

As for next year there is definitely a Leigh Brown type role open for him, if he can make it his own. He has the tools to do this.

He is one of those guys who seem to have all the goods but something is missing. This I am hoping is purely that he has started late & is still struggling with naturally reading the game.

A bit more patience is needed with him.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

People need to be more open to people changing roles under Buckley.

N.Brown...he may find it easier to play a role up forward.
Taz....he could play anywhere
Reid....AA FB, but he could be a M.Clark like follower (when he was actually good) and cause enormous amonts of damage.

Just because they played down back previously doesn't gaurantee them to remain in the same position in 2012.

Tarrant is now a dour defender rather than a flamboyant but inconsistent forward. He is 30 and should be left to play the defensive role which saved him from ultimate obscurity as a failed forward. Stop pretending that he can be played anywhere with equal success. Why also might Brown 'find it easier to play a role up forward'? And please don't play Reid as a 2nd ruck!

 

[blaze036]

I'd love to see Ben Reid have another crack at a forward role. I personally think that he can become a gun forward.

I personally think he could become a gun defender whos crucial to our premiership chances... maybe play him there

 

[Jelly Bean]

Reid....AA FB, but he could be a M.Clark like follower (when he was actually good) and cause enormous amonts of damage.
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What do you mean by follower? Contests the ruck? Plays as a mid? Plays as a free-ranging forward?

I think he would be ordinary at each of the above roles. Reid's strength is reading opposition kicks, getting loose to receive kicks out of our backline, and shutting down opponents. These strengths are not really used in the above roles. Also, he is not good at running and collecting the ball (i.e. collecting 'non-marked' possessions) nor running with the ball, nor kicking while running... His kicks are pin point when he just takes a couple of non-pressure steps and delivers, or delivers over the mark. All of the above roles require a lot more running that what Reid is good at.

Reid is perfectly suited to a key position (back a little moreso than forward). To move would be ridiculous.

 

[THATSGOLD]

People only seem to remember Josh Fraser for his last few years at Collingwood.. 2002 -2006 he was better than what people are making out.. rucking alone couldn't be easy. We would be very happy taking a 24 year old josh fraser into 2012. If keefe turns out anywhere near him he will help us to a flag.

 

[noideaatall]

he looked very good as a key defender in the NAB cup, read the play well and took a good chunk of intercept marks and punched well over the top of shorter opponents (ie. everyone).

He looked completely lost at senior level during the H&A season when playing as a key forward.

totally agree. assumed he was played forward in lieu of no one else suitable at the time, with a defensive, distracting type role. If the club had thoughts of playing reid or tazza forward they surely would have tried it then.

I don't believe he was ever involved in a ruck contest, boundary or whatever. Does he ruck in the twos?? Just wondering why so many posters think he has talent in this area. lot more to it than size ....

 

[doppleganger]

What do you mean by follower? Contests the ruck? Plays as a mid? Plays as a free-ranging forward?

I think he would be ordinary at each of the above roles. Reid's strength is reading opposition kicks, getting loose to receive kicks out of our backline, and shutting down opponents. These strengths are not really used in the above roles. Also, he is not good at running and collecting the ball (i.e. collecting 'non-marked' possessions) nor running with the ball, nor kicking while running... His kicks are pin point when he just takes a couple of non-pressure steps and delivers, or delivers over the mark. All of the above roles require a lot more running that what Reid is good at.

Reid is perfectly suited to a key position (back a little moreso than forward). To move would be ridiculous.

I am simply pointing out that people simply assuming that the 22 will basically remain the same as it was under MM are in for a bit of a shock.

Even year-to-year under MM you had people changing roles.

Reid is a gun CHB, I acknowledge that.
Dawes could also be a gun CHB....he has the tank, the workrate, the size, the presence....
Tarrant could play as a medium-small defender, he does shut down jobs on guys like Milne, LeCras, Green etc

Why does everybody simply assume N.Brown will be automatic pick as FB? He could play as a forward or simply not even recapture form.

Some players will be playing in different positions next year IMO.

 

[Jelly Bean]

I am simply pointing out that people simply assuming that the 22 will basically remain the same as it was under MM are in for a bit of a shock.

Even year-to-year under MM you had people changing roles.

Reid is a gun CHB, I acknowledge that.
Dawes could also be a gun CHB....he has the tank, the workrate, the size, the presence....
Tarrant could play as a medium-small defender, he does shut down jobs on guys like Milne, LeCras, Green etc

Why does everybody simply assume N.Brown will be automatic pick as FB? He could play as a forward or simply not even recapture form.

Some players will be playing in different positions next year IMO.

I don't know of many people thinking the 22 will be the same as last year, and that is a separate discussion as to whether N Brown will slot into full back.

I am one who thinks he will, and I acknowledge there are others who think he won't.

 

[well left]

Really tough to analyse Keeffe in both his 2011 season and prospects for next year. He found his feet at VFL level at CHB and looks like he can develop in that role. Hard to see how he fits in at senior level though with Tarrant, Reid and N Brown all in front.

His exposure at AFL level was in the forward line where I don't remember him spending any decent time at VFL level so hard to assess him on that. That said it is probably the one spot available with Leigh Brown's retirement.

I think the best bet for all concerned is to reserve judgement until we see where Buckley plays him during the preseason. If he is played back he is depth and might look elsewhere for opportunity end of next year. If he is played forward/ruck he needs to be given time to develop in that role.

 

[blaze036]

U must of not watched tarrent this year if u think Nathan Brown is gonna take his fb spot... and u must have sean rusling disease

 

[Jelly Bean]

U must of not watched tarrent this year if u think Nathan Brown is gonna take his fb spot... and u must have sean rusling disease

Fair call Blaze, and Tarrant was really good last year. But I think we were one key tall back short for much of the year, and Tarrant has versatility to play tall or medium. I think Brown will become the pillar, and Tarrant / Reid will take the other match-ups as required.

Not sure what Sean Rusling disease is, but if it is about overrating injured players, I should note that Nathan Brown did blanket the best forward in the game in two grand finals.

 

[DaVe86]

Keefe is an interesting prospect. Personally I'm not sure he has what it takes...but I think he is a good project.

With so many sides using a resting ruckman up forward...Keefe would be a handy player as he could back-up ruck and follow his opponent when they push forward.

It means Ben Reid and Tarrant can stick to their opponent, and it frees Maxwell up to loose.

I don't think he makes a great forward option simply because he lacks the beef. As we saw in the pre-season, his best position is defence.

If he is to make it however, he does need to make himself a ruck option. He won't survive in the game at his height if he cannot ruck. With Reid, Brown, Tarrant and Dawes as the key posts for the next 10 years, he will unbalance the side if he can't ruck

 

[DermiesLuvChild]

Keefe is an interesting prospect. Personally I'm not sure he has what it takes...but I think he is a good project.

With so many sides using a resting ruckman up forward...Keefe would be a handy player as he could back-up ruck and follow his opponent when they push forward.

It means Ben Reid and Tarrant can stick to their opponent, and it frees Maxwell up to loose.

I don't think he makes a great forward option simply because he lacks the beef. As we saw in the pre-season, his best position is defence.

If he is to make it however, he does need to make himself a ruck option. He won't survive in the game at his height if he cannot ruck. With Reid, Brown, Tarrant and Dawes as the key posts for the next 10 years, he will unbalance the side if he can't ruck

I assume a mistake (otherwisw Chris will be 40 by then!). I guess you mean Cloke? Agree your comments re Keeffe.

 

[Jelly Bean]

Keefe is an interesting prospect. Personally I'm not sure he has what it takes...but I think he is a good project.

With so many sides using a resting ruckman up forward...Keefe would be a handy player as he could back-up ruck and follow his opponent when they push forward.

I agree that this is a potential benefit for Keeffe, but if this was his role, we would still need that versatile player who could play that key tall back on the resting ruckman (i.e. when Keeffe is in the ruck, and Jolly would be resting forward / bench) and as the third forward when Jolly is in the ruck and Keeffe is minding the resting ruckman in our backline.

 

[Gone Critical]

Keefe is an interesting prospect. Personally I'm not sure he has what it takes...but I think he is a good project.

With so many sides using a resting ruckman up forward...Keefe would be a handy player as he could back-up ruck and follow his opponent when they push forward.

It means Ben Reid and Tarrant can stick to their opponent, and it frees Maxwell up to loose.

I don't think he makes a great forward option simply because he lacks the beef. As we saw in the pre-season, his best position is defence.

If he is to make it however, he does need to make himself a ruck option. He won't survive in the game at his height if he cannot ruck. With Reid, Brown, Tarrant and Dawes as the key posts for the next 10 years, he will unbalance the side if he can't ruck

Assuming you mean Cloke not Tarrant but just the same this group may hold down the KPP for the next 5 yrs not 10yrs. They will be 23-25 yo as of next season and bigs guys generally dont have the longevity of mids etc

Brown and Dawes are not established enough in the 22 to even assume they will still be here in 5 yrs.

Keeffe's best chance in 2012 may well be to snag Leigh Browns possie but its premature to say all our KP posts are tied up for even 5 yrs. Things change quickly in this game and Brown and Dawes still have to develop more to be the players we hope they will be.

Keeffes behind them but its not impossible to see his leapfrog one or two of those in the next few seasons. He is an important option in this area and not just as depth.

 

[shawthing09]

If Keeffe was able to hold down a KPD role (CHB) and allow Reid to play as a loose defender Reid could dominate shit.

 

[Jelly Bean]

If Keeffe was able to hold down a KPD role (CHB) and allow Reid to play as a loose defender Reid could dominate shit.

Agreed. I reckon Reid would be the best loose man we have on our list - even better than Maxwell.

And Reid can play equally well on a man.