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setanta17

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Jun 30, 2007
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http://www.foxsports.com.au/story/0,8659,23387633-23211,00.html

APART from the on-going distraction of an AFL investigation following accusations by former assistant coach Tony Liberatore that Carlton deliberately lost games last year, the Blues will start the season against Richmond at the MCG well below full strength.

The Blues will be particularly vulnerable in the ruck against Tigers No.1 ruckman Troy Simmonds, as they are set to be down three big men.

With No.1 draft pick Matthew Kreuzer in doubt with a hip injury, and the absence of Cain Ackland and Shaun Hampson, the Blues' only recognised ruckman is Cameron Cloke, and he has not played since a shoulder reconstruction after round six last year.

The long-awaited senior debut of the talented Kreuzer may be postponed for a week after he strained his hip at a closed training session.

Hampson, the Blues' tallest ruckman at 201 centimetres, had come on in leaps and bounds since playing in the final two rounds last season, but he underwent a knee arthroscope to remove bone chips and will miss at least the opening round.

Ackland had a shoulder reconstruction in the off-season and is unlikely to be considered for another month.

Finding a back-up ruckman for Cloke against the Tigers will be high on Carlton's agenda in this week's lead-up.

The Blues' main two options could be Irish defender Setanta O'hAilpin or rookie Sam Jacobs. Jacobs would have to be upgraded as a replacement for Andrew Walker, who will miss the first three months because of shoulder surgery.

While Nick Stevens is considered a certain starter despite a minor neck problem a fortnight ago, the Blues will also be without Brad Fisher (thumb), Adam Bentick (groin), and Clinton Benjamin (groin).

Carlton chief executive Greg Swann said Stevens trained brilliantly last week after his hiccup with a neck problem, which was not related to a spinal injury that kept him out for most of last year.

Bentick has not played a full practice match during the pre-season, while Benjamin, 19, is considered a strong chance to line up in the opening round after a solid pre-season.

Richmond expects Graham Polak (heel) to be available, but Jay Schulz (fractured ribs) remains unlikely.

Liberatore and the AFL are scheduled to meet this week and Carlton will know soon after whether it is to be the subject of a match-fixing investigation, in a probe similar to that directed at Sydney coach Paul Roos this month.

However, speaking on Melbourne radio SEN, Liberatore appeared to change his tune. "If they say to me 'Do you think Carlton tanked?', I would say I don't think they did," he said in a back flip from his inflammatory comments last week.

Geelong will be at least five premiership players down when it meets Port Adelaide at AAMI Stadium in a rematch of last year's grand final.

Brad Ottens (ankle) will not play, neither will David Wojcinski (finger), while Max Rooke (hamstring) is in doubt.

Premiership ruckman Steven King is now with St Kilda after being traded and Nathan Ablett is in premature retirement.
 
Benjamin a 'strong chance' to line up for round 1? Err, have i missed something?

I think Hampson will end up playing to be honest. Don't know why...just have a feeling.

By the look of the article not much research has been done. We're also missing Aisake.
 
the Blues will also be without Brad Fisher (thumb), Adam Bentick (groin), and Clinton Benjamin (groin).

Benjamin, 19, is considered a strong chance to line up in the opening round after a solid pre-season.

If you ever needed any more proof that Greg Denham is an idiot and a pathetic excuse for a journalist, then there it is.

What a moron :thumbsdown:
 

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If you ever needed any more proof that Greg Denham is an idiot and a pathetic excuse for a journalist, then there it is.

What a moron :thumbsdown:
I read that but i also read Benjamin is ready to go this week as he had 1 more week on the injury list last week,if he is ready for AFL why not give him a run instead of playing for the bullants and bringing in someone who is going to be delisted.If he has trained the place down in the pre season and fit give him a go as we need a bit of speed. I think he is ready now for AFL after 2 years now on the list.
 
Benjamin a 'strong chance' to line up for round 1? Err, have i missed something?

I think Hampson will end up playing to be honest. Don't know why...just have a feeling.

By the look of the article not much research has been done. We're also missing Aisake.

Yeah, but Aisake is still a developing project player, we can't be counting on him to fill a ruck spot at this stage.

With Cloke and Hampson likely to do most of the rucking this year, Aisake will have to really shine in the Bullants for the first half of the season at least.

Hope your right about Hammer though, but i'd hate to see him rushed back. I hope we can trust the Medico's to make a conservative decision.
 
Thankfully apart from poor Walker, most of our guys have these small niggling injuries at the start of the season with plenty of time to get it right.
Certainly not ideal though, but i suppose that is a positive.
After a month, everyone currently injured except Walker as you said will be back.
 
Certainly not ideal though, but i suppose that is a positive.
After a month, everyone currently injured except Walker as you said will be back.

yeah, rubbish start, but hopefully the last 18 rounds will see us with a near full strength squad. Im still confident we can get 8 wins this season. I will be satisfied with that, a good step forward.
 
I read that but i also read Benjamin is ready to go this week as he had 1 more week on the injury list last week,if he is ready for AFL why not give him a run instead of playing for the bullants and bringing in someone who is going to be delisted.If he has trained the place down in the pre season and fit give him a go as we need a bit of speed. I think he is ready now for AFL after 2 years now on the list.

If he is coming back from injury, he won't be fit.

Will definitely need a few games at least with the Bullants before we even consider bringing him into the senior team.
 
out of curiosity, what is jacobs like. i know he is still learning how to ruck at the elite level but what is he like? is he a good kick, mark, does he have good endurance, is he very agile (seems a little tubby to me so i doubt he is), does he have any footy smarts?

another question is do you think he will still be on the list in a year or two? with hampson and kreuzer looking like they will hold down the top two spots in the nearish future, where would he come in after them? im not expecting him to produce big things this season but i believe aisake and cloke will be ahead of him in the ruck department, not only this year, but the next year or two. what are your opinions on him and his future career at carlton?
 
Instead of playing someone who isn't ready or out of position, we should just play 4 midfielders in those patches where Cloke is resting. Just give up the tap and go into the middle with Judd, Carazzo, Murphy and Bentick. Its only for round 1 (Kreuzer/Hampson should be back for round 2), and I doubt Richmond will be able to adjust over the course of a few short bursts in one game...
 

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We have 2 options. Setanta and maybe Hartlett pinch hitting in the centre and around the ground respectively just to give a contest OR elevate Jacobs.

Jacobs can come in for Walker as he is listed as a LTI or he can come in as a nominated rookie. We have two spots for nominated rookies due to having no veterans. Jamison is one but I am not sure we want Jacobs as a nominated rookie all year as he will get not time once Kreuzer, Hampson and Aisake are back. He is a big lad and looked good in the intraclubs from what I heard.

If Setanta was fit, I would have no hesitation in him being the back up just for one game but I am not quite sure about him at the moment.
 
out of curiosity, what is jacobs like. i know he is still learning how to ruck at the elite level but what is he like? is he a good kick, mark, does he have good endurance, is he very agile (seems a little tubby to me so i doubt he is), does he have any footy smarts?

another question is do you think he will still be on the list in a year or two? with hampson and kreuzer looking like they will hold down the top two spots in the nearish future, where would he come in after them? im not expecting him to produce big things this season but i believe aisake and cloke will be ahead of him in the ruck department, not only this year, but the next year or two. what are your opinions on him and his future career at carlton?

Sauce is improving a little bit every time I see him. Kicking is a bit iffy, overhead he is ok, but for a bloke of his size he needs to assert himself in contested situations a little more. His palm work has been very good in the VFL praccy matches the last two weeks, he is a big lump of the lad, and is very hard to push off the ball. He has trimmed down and lost a lot of puppy fat and his mobility has improved a little. I think you need 5-6 ruckmen on a list at any given time, for the long term I see him as a good VFL ruckman providing good depth for injuries.......Hampson, Kreuzer, Cloke, Aisake, Jacobs.... there's your 5.....
 
Sauce is improving a little bit every time I see him. Kicking is a bit iffy, overhead he is ok, but for a bloke of his size he needs to assert himself in contested situations a little more. His palm work has been very good in the VFL praccy matches the last two weeks, he is a big lump of the lad, and is very hard to push off the ball. He has trimmed down and lost a lot of puppy fat and his mobility has improved a little. I think you need 5-6 ruckmen on a list at any given time, for the long term I see him as a good VFL ruckman providing good depth for injuries.......Hampson, Kreuzer, Cloke, Aisake, Jacobs.... there's your 5.....
thanks gilly
 
From CarltonFC

Clinton Benjamin – Adductor – Available

Aisake O’hAilpin – Knee – Available

Matthew Kreuzer – Quad – Test

Shaun Hampson – Knee – Test

This could be promising - The blues may very be sharking this one - if we end up with Kreuzer AND Hampson out there - the tigers are stuffed.
 
From CarltonFC



This could be promising - The blues may very be sharking this one - if we end up with Kreuzer AND Hampson out there - the tigers are stuffed.
You're getting a tad carried away...Kreuzer...yet to play a game...and Hampson, a second year ruck...will blow us away?
But theyre both out, just sos ya know (which you should, seeing as theres plenty of official lineup threads.)

And Richmond, seeing as you guys have got so many talls out, have gone tall...Polak, Thursfield, Bowden and Moore are all down back who can all play tall, Simmonds and Pattison can both play ruck and forward, and in our forward line we have Schulz, Richo and Hughes.
Surely we'll drop one, in case it rains or something?
:(
 

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