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...as for carlton yes they have judd,murphy,stevens,fev,gibbs,walker then its a steep decline to players who a borderline afl players like there backline.

Calling players such as Simpson, Waite or Fisher borderline AFL is pretty funny. I know everyone is entitled to an opinion, but it seems you haven't watched a great deal of Carlton game time.
 
At the end of the home & away:

Fremantle
Geelong
Hawthorn
StKilda
Carlton
Western Bulldogs
West Coast
Sydney
Brisbane
Port Adelaide
Collingwood
North Melbourne
Adelaide
Essendon
Richmond
Melbourne
 
I wouldn't be suprised if we did, but I certainly wouldn't be suprised if we didn't.
Anywhere in the top 4 is what I expect after last year, with another year into our youngsters (providing we can keep most of our 22 on the park).


Don't get surprised much do you?
 
Geelong
Hawthorn
Fremantle
Power
Kangaroos
Brisbane
Saints
Carlton
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Sydney
Adelaide
Essendon
West Coast
Bulldogs
Melbourne
Collingwood
Richmond

Collingwood and West Coast supporters will hate me, but that's okay, I'm sorry, I just don't rate your lists.
Richmond supporters will understand.
Melbourne will say they won't have injuries this year.
Bulldogs will say they're improving so how could they remain where they are (received an infraction on the Bulldogs board post 06 season for suggesting they finish out of the top 6 in 07).
The rest will understand that they aren't too far away from being rated in the 8 and be happy.
Carlton will be gushing at the thought that someone other than themselves has tipped them to be in the 8.

This is my honest opinion, so if you don't like it please post your own final 16, instead of interrogating me on my reasoning.
 

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